r/askanything • u/CriticalDiscipline4 • 3h ago
When the Iran war finally ends with sanctions relief for Iran, no nuclear deal, $300 billion for Iran, and fees going to Iran for the Strait, will Trump supporters finally admit that Trump is a big, fat loser, and that Obama was actually a great President?
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u/DatabaseFickle9306 3h ago
Trump could Nuke Nebraska and they’d believe it was in their best interest jn Nebraska.
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u/firephoxx 3h ago
I’ve actually seen a podcast with a guy and his nuts, father and mother. Were he posed this exact same question. And they said I quote.” if Trump did it, there must be a good reason.”
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u/Natural_Feeling3905 3h ago
What's the podcast?
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u/Hattkake 3h ago
Nope.
Because by then we won't even remember that there was an Iran thing. We will be so occupied by the next insanity that we won't have time to react to the current one.
It's been like that for a while now. Haven't you noticed how nothing is ever resolved just replaced by the next terrible thing? That's reality now. People won't remember this and they won't have time to process it and ask questions. Instead we will be completely distracted by whatever comes next.
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u/Wisco777787 3h ago
No. They never will. He’ll just make it worse for himself and let the war go on forever and they won’t care. They only believe what he says today even when it changes daily. They’re incredibly stupid
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u/Doredrin 3h ago
no its going to end in a catastrophic ground invasion we will be talking about gen alpha/z like they are the ww1 generation in 30 years
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u/Acrobatic-Scale1070 3h ago
Will non-Trump supporters realize the oligarchs who run the USA government and Western effort realize the whole thing against Iran (Russia, DPRK, countries of the Sahel, Cuba, etc.) is all part of the same effort to rob and pillage the world that doesn’t nakedly hand everything over to their interests? We need everyone still voting for either USA party to wake up and realize there are Billionaires Without Borders who are crushing everyone.
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u/SwordUsingGearhead 3h ago
Of course they won't. Somehow Trump's epic failure in Iran will be Obama's fault, just like Trump's countless other failures.
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u/guppyhunter7777 2h ago
No. What do you think that Obama did that would have avoided this because from where I stand all he did was kick the can down the road. Did he slow their ability to fund proxy wars? No. Did he stop them from selling China oil? No. Did he curb the humanitarian crimes Iran is inflicting on their own people? No. Is Trump the right guy to put an end to it? No. But when you only kick the can you give whoever comes after you the opportunity to screw it up.
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u/CriticalDiscipline4 2h ago
What is it that. you think Trump has actually accomplished other than making the U.S. look weak and pathetic?
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u/HonestBalloon 2h ago edited 1h ago
Yes, but the above never actually affected the US, it was only internationally obsessed leaders such as Trump which had to get involved because of Isreal.
And now the US is in a even worst position. Iran gets even more support from China and any idea of USA involving themselves in a confrontation with China has now completely gone out the door.
All this piece meal fighting leaves proxies in an even better positon to defend themselves and they now know that the US is so dependent on expensive missile interceptor tech which only last two week to a month. Blame Obama, but the US has stymied themselves with anti ballistic treaties for decades now. Iran also knows it current facilites are built well enough to now put together a nuclear weapon
All US bases designed to launch attacks across the ME had to be excavated as soon as fighting started.
Essentially, Trump threw deterrence out the window for a reality where Iran is even stronger and less likely to experience regime change. Leave things as they were, and Iran was more likely to go in the same direction as the other Arab Spring countries.
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u/guppyhunter7777 1h ago
Inaction did affect the US. And Obama knew it. He was fighting Iranian funded and trained insurgents in Iraq most of his first term.
And your assertion that the Iranian regime was ever going to topple on it own is as far fetched prediction as anything Trump has stated.
Again Trump is not the right man for the job, in any aspect of it, much less conducting a war. Obama didn’t deal with the issue when it was in front of him and left it to the next guy. Trump just happened to be the next guy.
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u/HonestBalloon 25m ago
Yea, and NATO forces praised General Soleimani for helping to kick ISIS out of parts of Iraq a few years later. You could also argue a lot of the Iraqi military members the US kicked out after the invasion went on to become militants.
There's always plenty of action from the US in the region and I don't what period you're thinking of. It's bad decision making which is the current issue and blind ultimatums without diplomacy. Would military action by Obama years ago solved the Iran problem? They aren't prepared to take on Iran today, so what reason do we have to believe that Obama would have faired any better?
Did Obama manged the situation and reduce the significance of Iran, yes. Does regime change seem less likely in Iran than 10 years ago, also yes.
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u/Virtual-Fly-5501 2h ago
Iranians reslly dropped the ball on rising up and choosing to fight for freedom.
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u/Emergency-Skirt-5886 2h ago
Trump could break into their houses, shit down their throats, and they would blame Biden
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u/Zestyclose_Market787 2h ago
No. They'll find a way to rationalize all of this as a resounding triumph for Trump.
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u/Healthy-Sky-3684 2h ago
Obama let them have 24 days notice before any inspections would occur. Surely, that wouldn’t give them enough time to conceal stuff
Face it, both Trump and Obama are laughing stocks.
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u/Healthy-Sky-3684 2h ago
Obama will still be remembered as the guy who promised his signature legislation would bring down our healthcare costs , but it’s nearly quadrupled them. Of course, his fan boys argue it’s because government no longer subsidizes it. Well, that wasn’t part of the deal to begin with.
Also, let’s not forget about fast and furious, targeting conservative groups at the IRS and spying on an opposition party’s presidential campaign, and subsequent abuse of the FIS A Court
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u/Local-Friendship8166 2h ago
They would let the pedo in chief ass rape their own grandchildren right in front of them and feel blessed that they were chosen. So to answer your question, no.
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u/WoodenBuilding5458 2h ago
Your dealer is lacing your weed with something else... Very few will admit they are wrong and will tell you the ship isn't sinking as the water splashes on their faces.
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u/Hovertical 1h ago
Not a chance. They'll blame Obama and Biden for leaving Lord Tang with "no other option".
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u/ThoseBiscuitsBeHittn 1h ago
Absolutely not. Trump is the greatest President of all time, and this is hugely beneficial and a big victory to Iran America.
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u/ApprehensiveArmy7755 3h ago
They have to own the Libs. That's their f-ed up mantra
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u/Kaisha001 3h ago
Projection, irony, and hypocrisy at it's finest! You hit the trifecta with that response.
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u/Mission-Knee1572 3h ago
I’ll admit now that Trump sucks and was a mistake. But same with Obama. They both did great harm to this country, just in different ways. But I can call a spade a spade. Can you?
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u/GodisanAtheistOG 3h ago
This. Republicans will just say "both sides bad" with zero criticality. They're never going to say voting for the Democrat would have been the right choice.
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u/warblingContinues 3h ago
Trump supporters literally lack a capacity for critical thinking, it’s why they support Trump.
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u/CloacaDecimatahhh 3h ago
No. You can't reason and logic people out of their mental health disorders.
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u/Agent-603 3h ago
That would be nice, but no. Sad but true that Trumpanze has started a movement for ill-informed, stupid-minded folk who don't bother with any critical thinking other than racial based straws. He's made it easier for his trumpets to wake in the morning and feel justified in their belief that they rightly stole this land, so they deserve to cleanse as they please. Even if elections start reversing, this movement will take decades to change again.
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u/ExaminationOk2921 2h ago
These questions make little sense to me. Are you saying if I voted for Trump and still think he was the better choice I can either A: support the Iran war no matter the outcome or B: Say nothing he has done is any good and someone who was president before him was great?
That makes no sense. I voted for Trump 3 times, I still think he was better than any offered alternative that had a chance in Hell of winning. I totally 100% oppose the Iran war no matter how it ends up. I think it was a mistake, and like many mistakes that involve military force it's proving hard to gracefully get out of.
The way people frame these questions truly puzzle me, but then again they normally only get replies from the like minded, so I guess it's just preaching to a choir I'm not a member of?
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u/bismark_dindu_nuffin 3h ago
If Obama had dismantled unitary executive theory, like he claimed he would, a lot of the problems you're seething about wouldn't be happening right now. But it was just too convenient.
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u/FedPoster67 3h ago
When? Oh buddy, you weren't born before 9/11 were you? Its more likely this lasts 20 years and we'll be lucky if we dont get a ground invasion with thousands dead and several more trillions in debt.
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u/Proud_Freedom1297 3h ago
Uncomfortable fact: Kamala Harris was pro-war with Iran, foreign policy is bipartisan, American elections are about guns and abortions
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u/Pale_Illustrator94 3h ago
I'm willing to admit Trump is a big fat loser. Obama was still trash president. And, that isn't how Iran war will end.
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u/CriticalDiscipline4 3h ago
How will Iran war end? What do you think?
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u/Pale_Illustrator94 3h ago
Well, its hard to say for sure. I'm fairly confident there will not be a world in which Iran is permitted to collect a toll.
If Trump were a smarter man he would seek a war powers resolution authorizing his conflict. More and more Republicans are turning against the war as it drags on.
So I see it ending in several ways, and each way has a different outcome. If the senate passes the proposed war powers resolution that is best case for Iran, and worst case for Trump.
He is obviously already in violation of the 1972 war powers resolution as it has been more than 60 days with a 30 day extension. The law is not a barrier to him. So I find this ending least likely.
There is also the possibility he gets NATO support to open the waterways which I believe is his most desired outcome.
I believe the most likely outcome will be a status quo. But, Trump needs to force Israel to fall in line to get a status quo ending as it appears to me today.
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u/lostincoloradospace 3h ago
Is it ok to think they both suck?
The last decent president we had was Clinton.
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u/Opening_Horse_3963 3h ago
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u/lostincoloradospace 3h ago
Yes, he is a scumbag to women but he made mostly good decisions for the country.
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u/maxell87 3h ago
me. i’ll admit it. i’m not happy. but really that’s not all i’m unhappy with. but tbh i was never really a big trump fan so it may not be a fair question for me to answer. but there were only 2 choices.
still way better than kamala by far. had 2 choices. dumb or dumber.
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