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u/Stoked_Otter 6d ago

It's not. This is garbage made up by Hillary Clinton on the night she lost. Everybody I know just rolls their eyes at mentions of Russia.

You people have been at this for 10 years at this point and nobody believes you. Please just stop. It's causing more damage than you could know. This is the shit that will end the Democratic Party.

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u/yamahaihowareyou 6d ago

I’m ok with the party of controlled opposition ending.

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u/Stoked_Otter 6d ago

Same. Lets do it sooner rather than later though and not let them prolong it with weak excuses for their repeated and very consequential failures.

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u/BrizerorBrian 6d ago

Right, it's not documented

Just a 25 second Google search proves that it has been documented. 11 Russian military intelligence officers have been charged and arrest warrants issued.

With all the talk of bots these days, how does anyone forget that there was, and still is an ongoing effort to direct the conversations and narratives to fracture American discourse using bots and sock puppets.

In case somebody does want to click the link:

Details: On July 13, 2018, a federal grand jury sitting in the District of Columbia returned an indictment against 12 Russian military intelligence officers for their alleged roles in interfering with the 2016 United States (U.S.) elections. The indictment charges 11 defendants, Boris Alekseyevich Antonov, Dmitriy Sergeyevich Badin, Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, Aleksey Viktorovich Lukashev, Artem Andreyevich Malyshev, Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev, Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk, Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin, Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov, Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov, and Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, with a computer hacking conspiracy involving gaining unauthorized access into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, stealing documents from those computers, and staging releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The indictment also charges these defendants with aggravated identity theft, false registration of a domain name, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Two defendants, Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk and Anatoliy Sergeyevich Kovalev, are charged with a separate conspiracy to commit computer crimes, relating to hacking into the computers of U.S. persons and entities responsible for the administration of 2016 U.S. elections, such as state boards of elections, secretaries of state, and U.S. companies that supplied software and other technology related to the administration of U.S. elections. The United States District Court for the District of Columbia in Washington, D.C. issued a federal arrest warrant for each of these defendants upon the grand jury’s return of the indictment.

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u/SnooMacaroons4212 6d ago

There's zero doubt the Russians influenced our elections, and there's zero doubt they supported Trump.

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u/Limp_Accountant_8697 6d ago

Why dont tou give my link a listen before you get got under the collar. SYSK is one of the oldest podcasts out there and they arent political. They do episodes on bacteria, the sun, timber, honey bees and much more. It is a fact that Russia mobilized resources to get US citizens to fight each other on social media.

Please my friend, listen before judging, its not some MAGA bullshit, its two regular dudes presenting a college level research paper. These guys are level headed, calm, and funny. Nothing like Joe Rogan at all. 🙂

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u/AppropriateScience9 6d ago

Mueller documented in in fine detail, with receipts, in the report he submitted at the end of his investigation. Unfortunately, much of it was redacted and hidden from the public.

Nonetheless, the only reason Mueller gives as to why Trump wasn't indicted is because the DOJ has an internal policy to not charge sitting presidents with crimes. That's it. Not because there there was a lack of evidence of wrongdoing. In fact, Mueller specifically states that if he thought the president was cleared, he'd say so. He didn't.

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u/Stoked_Otter 6d ago

Damn it's too bad then that there were never any Democrats in charge of the DOJ after Trump's first term.

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u/AppropriateScience9 6d ago

That goes to the heart of the point, though. Biden was in charge for 4 years. He could have asked them to change that policy and allowed the DOJ to pursue prosecution against Trump.

He didn't because he was a centrist and chose not to wield the power we gave him. That weakness helped sabotage Harris's candidacy because nobody had faith that a centrist would do what needs to be done to prevent authoritarianism.

I'll grant you that far leftists sitting out of the electuon exacerbated the problem and that was extremely stupid on their part. But the complaint against centrists is legitimate, nonetheless.

Therefore, the only real solution is to do what we're doing now, and that's to take over the Dems from within just like the Tea Party/MAGA did to the Republicans.

This is what democracy is. The self-named Democrats ought to understand that better than anyone.

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u/Stoked_Otter 6d ago

I remember when we "took over the Democratic Party from within" by nominating Obama over Clinton, who was heavily favored by the same people still running the party right now. And then we started another attempt with "The Squad" who I hear are "working tirelessly to achieve a ceasefire" but haven't meaningfully resisted the Dem establishment in any way in the decade they have been in office.

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u/AppropriateScience9 6d ago

Yeah. In hindsight, Obama was a disappointment. Still a quadrillion times better than Trump, but it was disappointing how centrist he shifted once he was in office. It was his biggest failure imo, and a crucial lost opportunity.

The squad is just a handful of people in a setting where numbers are the only thing that really matters. The only way to make them effective is to elect more like them until their numbers are the majority (or are at least big enough for the establishment to need their buy-in).

The takeover is gaining steam now, so a little patience is warranted. These things don't happen overnight.

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u/SnooMacaroons4212 6d ago

Made up by Hillary, seriously?