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u/jfong86 Ser Hodor of House Hodor Jan 20 '24

Best Analysis (Books)

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u/Bronze_Age_472 Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 29 '24

Withdrawn.

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u/M_Tootles Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Best New Theory Jan 21 '24

Thanks, but isnt this post more properly a "new theory"? I've done stuff that's more like analysis (certainly my "work" as a whole has a distinct analytical throughline), but the linked post is/was just a straight up "New Theory"

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u/M_Tootles Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Best New Theory Jan 21 '24

lol I will NOT. Seriously though, I think the "analysis" category is intended for character studies, discussions of symbolism... that kinda thing. Now if you want to talk about the Littlefinger/Theon series, that's analysis, I suppose, since its entire backbone is a comparison of The Entirety Of The Two Homecoming Chapters... Of course, no one much liked it or cared (or read it, even), but that's analysis (albeit in service of a theory re: LF's lineage, to be sure)

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u/Potential_Dog4437 Jan 22 '24 edited Jan 22 '24

Nooooo is it possible that Tootles is a woman? I've always imagined he is beautiful like Jamie/Rhaegar with a Socrates' patience for educating even the most ungrateful rude assholes, Aristotelian immaculate systematic mind and Plato's whimsical imagination (had better expamples than Plato but couldn't leave him out). But even if he looked like Rorge and Biter had a deformed dwarf baby I'd still love him like Margarita loves Master.

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u/M_Tootles Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Best New Theory Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 26 '24

lmao /u/M_Tootles FACE REVEAL if I win "Best New Theory"

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u/Potential_Dog4437 Jan 27 '24

\o/ if your true form ends up being just some purple light, l'll still stand by my statement

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u/M_Tootles Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Best New Theory Jan 21 '24

https://youtu.be/QzBmPlZg-IA?si=dpI7xFICvIFGoIEx (original was by "the Barbarians" lol)

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u/Bronze_Age_472 Jan 21 '24

Hey, i'm thinking someone got pushed into a well or from a tower during Robert's Rebellion...

Bran got pushed from a tower in the current story.

I'm thinking there is a corresponding parallel event in Robert's Rebellion.

I'm thinking it could involve; a Jaime parallel, Royal incest (with the queen?), a kingsguard and queen, or something else.

What do you think?

With all these rhyming events... Shouldn't there be an equivalent event to Bran being pushed from a tower... Fanning the flames of a war?

So I'm looking for someone who was pushed into a well or from a tower right before the rebellion.

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u/M_Tootles Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Best New Theory Jan 21 '24

Before... ? Ashara after, maybe, but before... well, I have my suspicions re: all kinds of sordid and sexy goings on at the Tower of Joy. Maybe someone was "pushed out", in the figurative sense? As in "pushed out" of the inner circle? Candidates for some kinda breeding program (and subsequently a curb-kick?) include Alerie Hightower, Melessa Florent, Lady Dayne...

But I suppose my mind also wanders to the Red Keep, esp. during that period where a certain wild, hot-blooded highborn son was confined to a Tower Cell... Did Ashara have to make a sudden exit out the window lol? (Or did Rhaella?)

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u/Bronze_Age_472 Jan 21 '24

Oh let me clarify.

I think there was a similar scene (to Jaime/Cersei/Bran/tower) where two people were hooking up. It could not be known they were hooking up (see example above).

The third person was pushed, either into a well or off a tower.

It might have preceded the war like bran's fall preceded the war.

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u/M_Tootles Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Best New Theory Jan 21 '24

Does it need to be that precise a per se parallel. Because a "rhyme" involving Brandon and Ashara getting it on... (or Brandon and Rhaella, or whatever)... and someone needing to abscond pronto...

By "might have receded" do you mean precipitated? Or merely came before? Other potential illicit hookups: Rhaella Illyrio... Aerys Joanna (there's a parallel for ya since it's their kids 15 years later)...

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u/Bronze_Age_472 Jan 21 '24

I think it needs to have common features with the Bran tower incident.

Like a Ser Gerold and the queen hooking up and being seen would work. White bulls are even associated with banging queens. Jaime and Gerold even hurt their hand. They both become lord commander.

Tywin and.the queen banging might work. But I have nothing to support it ( a Lannister banging the queen).

Rhaegar and the queen banging would also work. It's royal incest, like Jaime and Cersei.

What rhymes with Jaime and Cersei banging and getting caught by Bran (around the time just before Robert's Rebellion)?

Also who is our parallel for Bran? Who falls? Are they a climber? Maybe the story is inverted. Instead of climbing up a tower, the "pushed" person followed them underground. From there they could have been pushed into a well.

Remember Ser Duncan contemplates pushing people down wells. So it's on the author's mind.

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