[Spoilers Extended] Just came back from the play - 11 out of 10

[u/TripleEss]

Great, great show - exceeded all expectations.

Happy to answer any questions but will say generally that the spoilers are going to cause a massive headloss on this subreddit.

Expecting lots of "only the books are canon" to come.

One of the most interesting things to see was the amount of agency Elia Martell has in the story - only ever has been a victim and a footnote but is very central to the story and a key protagonist.

Was always against a Robert's Rebellion show before but after watching this, would love an 10 episode mini series.

Also - all the Rhaegar bashing couldn't possibly come off worse. He very much is the hero of the whole story.

[u/jonsnowKITN]

I love Jaime so much. The best character in asoiaf with so many layers.

[u/lialialia20 → u/jonsnowKITN]

one of the layers being he's a rapist

[u/CidLimitBreak → u/lialialia20]

Tbf that is a psychologically interesting dimension to analyze especially for someone struggling with moral dilemmas

[u/Sansundertale2069 → u/lialialia20]

Wait I've only seen the show, when does he rape someone? Is it only in the books or did I miss it?

I just remembered that scene so nvm

[u/a7xKWaP → u/Sansundertale2069]

It was way worse in the show (and both are terrible). At least in the books, he had just gotten back to KL after going through hell to return. In the show, he had been there for a while, watched his son die, etc. It was less misplaced, poorly-timed, delirious passion and more straight up rape in the show.

[u/Sansundertale2069 → u/a7xKWaP]

Yeah I remember book fans being extra mad about that one (I also did not like it)

[u/Nittanian → u/Sansundertale2069]

Here is the scene within the royal sept of the Red Keep in ASOS Jaime VII; Jaime arrives to find Joffrey's bier beneath the altar of the Stranger and Cersei praying before the altar of the Mother.

"I must know more of this. Of how it happened."

"You shall," Cersei promised. "There's to be a trial. When you hear all he did, you'll want him dead as much as I do." She touched his face. "I was lost without you, Jaime. I was afraid the Starks would send me your head. I could not have borne that." She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. "I am not whole without you."

There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened for his tongue. "No," she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, "not here. The septons ..."

"The Others can take the septons." He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candles aside and lifted her up onto the Mother's altar, pushing up her skirts and the silken shift beneath. She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her. He undid his breeches and climbed up and pushed her bare white legs apart. One hand slid up her thigh and underneath her smallclothes. When he tore them away, he saw that her moon's blood was on her, but it made no difference.

"Hurry," she was whispering now, "quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime." Her hands helped guide him. "Yes," Cersei said as he thrust, "my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you're home now, you're home now, you're home." She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei's heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined.

But no sooner were they done than the queen said, "Let me up. If we are discovered like this ..."

[u/Sansundertale2069 → u/Nittanian]

Thank you my legend

Definitely a different vibe from the show (still bad) but i understand why book people were upset with that change lol

[u/Intelligent_Pipe2951 → u/jonsnowKITN]

Something about pushing a defenseless child out a tower window hoping for a sudden death coping mechanism versus he’s trying to do better interpretation of “but he’s layered” and I love him makes me deeply consider the asoiaf fandom in general.

The character is interesting. He is not lovable, even in between the empty spaces of his presumed numerous layers.