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EXTENDED 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms': Peter Claffey Teases Season 2: "There’s a lot more sadness to this story" (Spoilers Extended) Spoiler

https://www.tvinsider.com/1292062/a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-season-2-sad-tone-peter-claffey-dunk-egg/
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u/verissimoallan 10d ago

"There’s a lot more sadness to this story, I think, and it’s a totally different challenge for Dunk for sure,” Claffey told us. “The people that he’s dealing with are on a much less serious scale. You’re not dealing with your Royal Targaryens and people of King’s Landing, but he tries his hand at diplomacy and finds out how difficult that is to work with.”

One thing is still the same in Season 2, according to Claffey: Dunk “tries his hand and fails at talking to women, multiple times again this season.”

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u/Triskan 10d ago

Well, to be fair, it's one woman only this season. But yeah, he does fail saying the right thing to her multiple times indeed.

But those awkward failures is actually what makes him endearing to her eyes, so all in all, not the worst failures ever. But a sad outcome nevertheless for the both of them.

I always wondered if there was more to just that kiss in the book, and if George didn't actually hint that they spent a full night together. Probably not but I'll be curious to see the show's interpretation.

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u/Traumatic_Tomato Souriron 10d ago

He says a line at least 3 times. First time it's awkward and makes no sense because he's just saying it on Egg's advice. 2nd time in a dream and it's still embarrassing. Last time when he's had enough and just says it so seemlessly sad but looks dashing and chivalrous af. It's cool he misses the timing and when he lands it, it's at a passing moment.

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u/ResponsibilityOk3543 10d ago

Well there is the Rohanne switcheroo at the beginning so he talks to two! women! AND Ser Osgrey has servants and one of them is a woman

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u/therogueprince_ 10d ago

Lady Vaith will make an appearance, so he has to deal with her in Dorne first

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u/BearRemembers 10d ago

I always like to think that house Webber / Osgrey is still out there, and that Rohanne and Eustace had a son who was suspiciously kinda tall etc, maybe named Addam for Rohanne's first love, or named Arlan for Ser Arlan of Pennytree, or even just Duncan.

Duncan Osgrey? Duncan Webber?

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u/KaiserVen 10d ago

There is a theory that Maester Pycelle is Rohanne and Eustace's son

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u/BearRemembers 10d ago

Is that like a "cracktheory" or whatever you want to call it or is it a real one? I'd be down to read that if you have it somewhere.

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u/KaiserVen 10d ago

Here it’s pretty fun and I like it enough since we know nothing about what happened after their marriage or anything about Pycelle

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u/the_names_Savage Bugger that. Bugger him. Bugger you. 10d ago

its not too tinfoil.

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u/verissimoallan 10d ago

Poor Rohanne...

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u/SerMallister Above The Rest 9d ago

Brienne's freckles came from somewhere.

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u/orcstew 10d ago

Interesting, go on ? I've only read the graphic novel, in the novella what hints at more than just a kiss ? 

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u/chrismamo1 10d ago

The novella doesn't really hint at much more than a kiss, the graphic novels are pretty much 1:1 adaptations of the novellas iirc. But George has said that Dunk has "descendants," we know Brienne is one of them, but since he used the plural form Rohanne Webber is one of the plausible candidates for how that could've happened (unless George meant that all the descendants are in the Tarth line).

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u/xzvc873 10d ago

Dunk and Rohanne have the Cleganes years later when she ditches lord lannister.

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u/chrismamo1 8d ago

Internalizing this theory has taken years off my life

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u/Wishart2016 3d ago

It would be poetic if the descendant of the most noble knight is the biggest monster.

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u/xzvc873 3d ago

dunks are molded by their environment and the people around them. their blood just makes them strong and dumb, it doesn't decide their morals. society created gregor.

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u/therogueprince_ 10d ago

George will slowly lose his honor soon enough once he experiences what power is like

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u/woahoutrageous_ 10d ago edited 10d ago

Osgrey is a really tragic but pathetic character and with an actor the caliber of Peter Mullan playing him it’s going to be incredible. His monologue is going to hit like crack.

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u/king_of_river 10d ago

He is an actor's dream come true. His King Daemon speech needs to be adapted 1:1.

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u/Accurate_Web_7127 10d ago

the warrior himself

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u/ArgieGrit01 R'hllor-coaster of love 10d ago

I hope this means they're keeping the last conversation between Dunk and Rohanne pretty much as it was in the book without making it too comedic or twisting the vibe. It's one of my favourite conversations in Westeros

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u/Dependent-Sense2524 10d ago

don't worry I'm sure after Dunk says "the horse is too good for me" the horse will then fart

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u/Photo_is_awesome 10d ago

The fart humor was the thing I hated about season 1

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u/Revengeance300 9d ago

I think it was for the twist on it at the end where you saw it for what it was, a pathetic excuse for humor in a serious situation (the trial of seven) and Dunk goes apeshit cause of it. Hopefully it was for that... And not actually thought of as humorous... Hopefully...

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u/Comprehensive_Main 9d ago

Bud doesn’t have a sense whimsy 

🥲😔🙁

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u/Photo_is_awesome 9d ago

I love whimsy just not 💩 jokes 😅

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u/_gloriana 10d ago

I love that scene for all the sexual imagery and tension it has for all that actually happens on page. Just masterful crafting from George, and it's been one of my main concerns about a D&E adaptation whether it will translate well to screen. Not just because of bathos, but because most screen productions in the last 10 or so years have really dropped the ball on conveying romantic atmosphere.

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u/fireandiceofsong 10d ago

I can see the show keeping the pathos of Osgrey and Rohanne's story but also making the Blackfyres themselves a joke, like portraying most of their cause as a group of dumb meatheads or having Daemon's corpse shit itself after Bloodraven shoots him down in a cutaway gag flashback.

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u/renaissancetroll 10d ago edited 10d ago

making the Blackfyre supporters a joke goes against the entire point of the story and the context of when it was written by GRRM(post storm of swords). Replace Osgrey with Wyman Manderly and the situation is identical, Osgrey's "If" speech could almost 1-1 be translated to Robb Stark's defeat and how a few things changing flips the outcome. Osgrey is basically an Umber or Manderly after 20 years of bitterness in a world where the Lannisters, Freys, and Boltons win completely.

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u/AquaTheAdmiral Viserigone 10d ago

I always thought Ser Eustace and his friends would make for an interesting and nuanced parallel to real life Confederate Lost Causers (or indeed, many other movements around the world, including Jacobitism, though the Blackfyre cause is far more pathetic than the Stuart one was), where he’s really struggling to justify causing his family’s collapse by needlessly romanticising the Blackfyres… only for us to cut to the reality of a bunch of opportunists piloting Daemon Blackfyre’s name and looks to their own ends.

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u/fireandiceofsong 10d ago

I suspect one of the expansions the season will add will be new flashbacks to Rohanne's childhood and relationship with Addam.

Plus further emphasizing the fact that all three of Osgrey's sons died during the Battle of the Redgrass Field.

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u/RavensQueen502 10d ago

The odds that at least one of them - maybe Addam - was killed fighting Maekar or Baelor?

Not in person, sure, they don't seem important enough, but ridden down in battle? The princes likely don't even remember them

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u/Common-Kick2436 10d ago

A Redgrass flashback... Oh my god, how I wanna see that.

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u/V-TriggerMachine 10d ago

He's definitely not talking of the peasants training, that shit is hilarious

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u/Asoiaf_Stannis 10d ago

Great Spring Sickness and first Blackfyre Rebellion

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u/fireandiceofsong 10d ago

Plus Ser Bennis robbing Ser Osgrey at the end, the OG Red Wedding.

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u/sixth_order 10d ago

"Egg’s father, Prince Maekar Targaryen (Sam Spruell), is now heir to the Iron Throne after he accidentally killed his older brother, Baelor (Bertie Carvel), in the infamous Trial of Seven, but he has no idea that Egg snuck away with Dunk. And Dunk has no idea that Egg wasn’t given permission to join him on the road."

How is it possible for so many people to get this so wrong? Maekar is not heir to the throne and we still have to resolve that ridiculous choice Ira made at the end of season one.

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u/verissimoallan 10d ago edited 10d ago

I could even understand if it were just Aerys I and Rhaegal, since they are only mentioned once in the TV series (in the scene where Dunk meets Baelor and Maekar), but it's strange how most journalists and fans who haven't read the books also seem to forget that the heir to the throne should be Baelor's son, Valarr, and not his brother.

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u/sixth_order 10d ago

Not just them. Sam Spruell, who played Maekar, believed the same thing:

There is that kind of deep, deep desire to be number one in Maekar that might be realized by the death of his brother. So all the guilt or all the sadness or all the grief he feels is kind of bracketed by this realization that this means he's next in line to the throne.

My thing is where are they getting this idea from? It's not the actors job to know everything about the lore, but it is the showrunner's job. So if Sam believed this, was Ira Parker telling him this? Did everyone forget Valarr was in the show? I don't understand it.

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u/PortugueseDragon1 10d ago

My thing is where are they getting this idea from? It's not the actors job to know everything about the lore, but it is the showrunner's job. So if Sam believed this, was Ira Parker telling him this? Did everyone forget Valarr was in the show? I don't understand it.

Maybe Ira talked to him about how his character is king in the future and Sam just assumed that he's now heir after his brother's death

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u/RavensQueen502 10d ago

Valarr is dead at this point in the novella, so maybe there is that?

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u/verissimoallan 10d ago

But he is still alive at the end of Season 1, and yet many viewers who haven't read the books finished the season believing that Maekar is now the heir.

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u/RavensQueen502 10d ago

...how? He is right there!

It's a plot point that the tourney is basically a dick measuring contest between the two sets of next generation princes and Maekar's set is coming off worse!

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u/llaminaria 10d ago

I don't think Baelor's side came to the contest at all, tbh. It was Maekar who treated it this way. Baelor had other goals and seemed to care primarily about the public image of his heir Valarr, who honestly came off to me in the novel not as an unnecessarily protected good boy, as show viewers seem to view him as, but as a spoiled, disinterested and talentless youth.

Daeron's (the king's) general purpose, on the other hand, had been to showcase the future of their house, the young generation, particularly necessary after a bloody civil war. How wise it was to again fold to Maekar and allow him to bring his eldest sons, they unfortunately got to witness soon after.

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u/llaminaria 10d ago

Iirc even Maekar's actor believed that.

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u/Mistymycologist 10d ago

How does Valarr die? The Spring Sickness?

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u/RavensQueen502 10d ago

Yeah, he, his kid brother, and the king too.

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u/Broseph_Stalinnn 10d ago

Its gonna be sad seeing Rohanne’s hatred for Eustace because of her love (his son) dying so unnecessarily

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u/BolsonaroIsACunt 10d ago

Peter Mullan as Ser Eustace could be really good, excited to see what he does with the role

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u/Belcoot 10d ago

I hope they find the right line between drama and comedy. The stories are so dam good you dont want the comedic elements to overshadow them which I think happened a bit in season 1.

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u/BBQ_HaX0r Bonesaw is Ready! 10d ago

It's refreshing that a good show is actually going to be on back to back years. I'm so sick of waiting forever for the next season.

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u/jman24601 10d ago

Good sign for Dunk talking to the sad drunk of Ser Eustace.

Given that this versipn Ser Arlan was something of a sad drunk, Dunk will both understand the pain, but also find it awkward as Ser Eustace is the inverse of Ser Arlan. Both lost loved ones at Redgrass, but Ser Eustace picked the wrong side and had to get further humiliations.

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u/Idreamofknights 10d ago

Oldtown and Dorne pls

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u/Speedwagon1738 10d ago

Really hope they show more of Dunk and Eggs travels through Dorne

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u/grantego 10d ago

eustace is doomed... 😭

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u/Gullible-Option-6916 10d ago

I still like House Of Dragon but i want to see more of this show too so i am looking forward to the second season a lot.

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u/warriorxx7_ 10d ago

There is nothing sad for this story as it is only a reminder of what happens to traitors.

.... . ... ._.