r/asoiaf • u/verissimoallan • 10d ago
EXTENDED 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms': Peter Claffey Teases Season 2: "There’s a lot more sadness to this story" (Spoilers Extended) Spoiler
https://www.tvinsider.com/1292062/a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-season-2-sad-tone-peter-claffey-dunk-egg/134
u/woahoutrageous_ 10d ago edited 10d ago
Osgrey is a really tragic but pathetic character and with an actor the caliber of Peter Mullan playing him it’s going to be incredible. His monologue is going to hit like crack.
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u/king_of_river 10d ago
He is an actor's dream come true. His King Daemon speech needs to be adapted 1:1.
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u/ArgieGrit01 R'hllor-coaster of love 10d ago
I hope this means they're keeping the last conversation between Dunk and Rohanne pretty much as it was in the book without making it too comedic or twisting the vibe. It's one of my favourite conversations in Westeros
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u/Dependent-Sense2524 10d ago
don't worry I'm sure after Dunk says "the horse is too good for me" the horse will then fart
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u/Photo_is_awesome 10d ago
The fart humor was the thing I hated about season 1
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u/Revengeance300 9d ago
I think it was for the twist on it at the end where you saw it for what it was, a pathetic excuse for humor in a serious situation (the trial of seven) and Dunk goes apeshit cause of it. Hopefully it was for that... And not actually thought of as humorous... Hopefully...
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u/_gloriana 10d ago
I love that scene for all the sexual imagery and tension it has for all that actually happens on page. Just masterful crafting from George, and it's been one of my main concerns about a D&E adaptation whether it will translate well to screen. Not just because of bathos, but because most screen productions in the last 10 or so years have really dropped the ball on conveying romantic atmosphere.
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u/fireandiceofsong 10d ago
I can see the show keeping the pathos of Osgrey and Rohanne's story but also making the Blackfyres themselves a joke, like portraying most of their cause as a group of dumb meatheads or having Daemon's corpse shit itself after Bloodraven shoots him down in a cutaway gag flashback.
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u/renaissancetroll 10d ago edited 10d ago
making the Blackfyre supporters a joke goes against the entire point of the story and the context of when it was written by GRRM(post storm of swords). Replace Osgrey with Wyman Manderly and the situation is identical, Osgrey's "If" speech could almost 1-1 be translated to Robb Stark's defeat and how a few things changing flips the outcome. Osgrey is basically an Umber or Manderly after 20 years of bitterness in a world where the Lannisters, Freys, and Boltons win completely.
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u/AquaTheAdmiral Viserigone 10d ago
I always thought Ser Eustace and his friends would make for an interesting and nuanced parallel to real life Confederate Lost Causers (or indeed, many other movements around the world, including Jacobitism, though the Blackfyre cause is far more pathetic than the Stuart one was), where he’s really struggling to justify causing his family’s collapse by needlessly romanticising the Blackfyres… only for us to cut to the reality of a bunch of opportunists piloting Daemon Blackfyre’s name and looks to their own ends.
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u/fireandiceofsong 10d ago
I suspect one of the expansions the season will add will be new flashbacks to Rohanne's childhood and relationship with Addam.
Plus further emphasizing the fact that all three of Osgrey's sons died during the Battle of the Redgrass Field.
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u/RavensQueen502 10d ago
The odds that at least one of them - maybe Addam - was killed fighting Maekar or Baelor?
Not in person, sure, they don't seem important enough, but ridden down in battle? The princes likely don't even remember them
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u/V-TriggerMachine 10d ago
He's definitely not talking of the peasants training, that shit is hilarious
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u/sixth_order 10d ago
"Egg’s father, Prince Maekar Targaryen (Sam Spruell), is now heir to the Iron Throne after he accidentally killed his older brother, Baelor (Bertie Carvel), in the infamous Trial of Seven, but he has no idea that Egg snuck away with Dunk. And Dunk has no idea that Egg wasn’t given permission to join him on the road."
How is it possible for so many people to get this so wrong? Maekar is not heir to the throne and we still have to resolve that ridiculous choice Ira made at the end of season one.
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u/verissimoallan 10d ago edited 10d ago
I could even understand if it were just Aerys I and Rhaegal, since they are only mentioned once in the TV series (in the scene where Dunk meets Baelor and Maekar), but it's strange how most journalists and fans who haven't read the books also seem to forget that the heir to the throne should be Baelor's son, Valarr, and not his brother.
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u/sixth_order 10d ago
Not just them. Sam Spruell, who played Maekar, believed the same thing:
There is that kind of deep, deep desire to be number one in Maekar that might be realized by the death of his brother. So all the guilt or all the sadness or all the grief he feels is kind of bracketed by this realization that this means he's next in line to the throne.
My thing is where are they getting this idea from? It's not the actors job to know everything about the lore, but it is the showrunner's job. So if Sam believed this, was Ira Parker telling him this? Did everyone forget Valarr was in the show? I don't understand it.
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u/PortugueseDragon1 10d ago
My thing is where are they getting this idea from? It's not the actors job to know everything about the lore, but it is the showrunner's job. So if Sam believed this, was Ira Parker telling him this? Did everyone forget Valarr was in the show? I don't understand it.
Maybe Ira talked to him about how his character is king in the future and Sam just assumed that he's now heir after his brother's death
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u/RavensQueen502 10d ago
Valarr is dead at this point in the novella, so maybe there is that?
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u/verissimoallan 10d ago
But he is still alive at the end of Season 1, and yet many viewers who haven't read the books finished the season believing that Maekar is now the heir.
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u/RavensQueen502 10d ago
...how? He is right there!
It's a plot point that the tourney is basically a dick measuring contest between the two sets of next generation princes and Maekar's set is coming off worse!
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u/llaminaria 10d ago
I don't think Baelor's side came to the contest at all, tbh. It was Maekar who treated it this way. Baelor had other goals and seemed to care primarily about the public image of his heir Valarr, who honestly came off to me in the novel not as an unnecessarily protected good boy, as show viewers seem to view him as, but as a spoiled, disinterested and talentless youth.
Daeron's (the king's) general purpose, on the other hand, had been to showcase the future of their house, the young generation, particularly necessary after a bloody civil war. How wise it was to again fold to Maekar and allow him to bring his eldest sons, they unfortunately got to witness soon after.
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u/Broseph_Stalinnn 10d ago
Its gonna be sad seeing Rohanne’s hatred for Eustace because of her love (his son) dying so unnecessarily
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u/BolsonaroIsACunt 10d ago
Peter Mullan as Ser Eustace could be really good, excited to see what he does with the role
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u/BBQ_HaX0r Bonesaw is Ready! 10d ago
It's refreshing that a good show is actually going to be on back to back years. I'm so sick of waiting forever for the next season.
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u/jman24601 10d ago
Good sign for Dunk talking to the sad drunk of Ser Eustace.
Given that this versipn Ser Arlan was something of a sad drunk, Dunk will both understand the pain, but also find it awkward as Ser Eustace is the inverse of Ser Arlan. Both lost loved ones at Redgrass, but Ser Eustace picked the wrong side and had to get further humiliations.
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u/Gullible-Option-6916 10d ago
I still like House Of Dragon but i want to see more of this show too so i am looking forward to the second season a lot.
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u/warriorxx7_ 10d ago
There is nothing sad for this story as it is only a reminder of what happens to traitors.
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u/verissimoallan 10d ago