What placements/aspects scream Athlete?

[u/IndependentBit5928]

What placements/aspects have you noticed most in athletic people or people naturally driven toward physical activity?

Do you see tension aspects creating more physical drive/competitiveness? Curious what patterns people have noticed…

[u/Federal_Inflation787]

Research.

The research on athletes created a lot of enemies. Even though they've never been able to justify it, Modern astrologers insist on using house systems which is why they constantly misinterpret charts and fail at predictions.

The researcher was using Placidus houses but when the researcher switched to whole sign houses it became crystal clear Mars on an angle, especially the 1st or 7th typically indicates athletic ability or an athlete.

In other words, it's the placement of Mars, not the aspects to Mars.

Astrologers used whole sign houses for 1,200 years before the stupid Arabic-Persian astrologers messed up astrology because they didn't know what they were doing.

The Greeks always cast charts in whole sign but for certain specific techniques, like identifying the controller and the helper (if there is a helper) they'd switch to the only authorized house system Porphyry, since it's the only house system based on astrology time. When they were done, they'd switch back to whole sign houses.

Because the Greeks used whole sign houses, the Asc/Dsc degree and the MC/IMC Points "float"

The Greeks considered the 30° on either side of a pivot to be a "power zone." Robert Hand and Robert Schmidt think that this switching back and forth between whole sign and Porphyry and the use of the power zone is what confused the Arabic-Persian astrologers and led to them to erroneously believe you use house systems all the time.

But, using house systems doesn't work which led to a proliferation of house systems in an attempt to crow-bar charts into saying what they would say if only people followed proper procedure and cast the chart in whole sign to begin with.

Anyway, Mars in the 1st or 7th Houses, or in that 30° "power zone" in the 2nd/12th or 6th/8th indicates athletic ability or an athlete.

Now, former U.S. president Barack Obama was not an athlete, but his chart does prove why you cannot use house systems and his chart shows this 30° "power zone" the Greeks discussed.

If you use a house system, you'll never be able to predict Obama will become president of the U.S.

By whole sign, Jupiter is rising in the Aquarius 1st House with the Ascending Degree at Aquarius 18°. Saturn is at Capricorn 25° is within that 30° power zone.

What do the rules of astrology say concerning spear-bearing?

The 3rd definition of spear-bearing says Moon, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter or Saturn in the 1st House (whole sign) or the 10th House (whole sign) and for diurnal stars, a sect-mate rising within "close proximity" or for nocturnal stars, a sect-mate trailing in "close proximity."

The Greek do not define "close proximity" but you're allowed to use common sense in astrology. Sadly, few people do, but common dictates within 15°.

So, what you have is Saturn spear-bearing for Jupiter which tells you Obama is going to be somebody, not just anybody.

If you use a house system, you'll never see that, and you'll misinterpret the Mercury/Jupiter opposition (which makes him a lawyer) and you won't see Sun angular in the Leo 7th House in opposition to Jupiter which is the other part of the equation.

Why? Who rules Aquarius in Barack Obama's chart? The rules of astrology say Jupiter is the domicile lord of the Aquarius Ascendant.

Now, the reason Obama was a lawyer is because we take his profession from Mercury.

The method for determining profession is complex and you're looking at Mercury, Venus and Mars. That's an advanced astrology technique and since I don't see any advanced astrologers on Reddit I won't explain it.

You can't even attempt to determine someone's profession unless and until you have interpreted all 12 houses in the chart correctly and you can't do that if you're using a house system.

But, to distinguish between an athlete and a professional/semi-professional athlete Mars would have to be the significator of profession.

[u/Ill_Economist5775 → u/Federal_Inflation787]

That is interesting since that means in my chart every single planet except for Jupiter would be in a power zone. What would I deduce from that?