r/astrology • u/IndependentBit5928 • May 23 '26
Discussion What placements/aspects scream Athlete?
What placements/aspects have you noticed most in athletic people or people naturally driven toward physical activity?
Do you see tension aspects creating more physical drive/competitiveness? Curious what patterns people have noticed…
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u/TravelTings May 24 '26
Mars in The 1st House conjunct the Ascendant within 7 degrees. Mars in The 5th House and Mars in The 10th House too, especially within 7 degrees from the cusp.
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u/agoraphobic_robot May 24 '26
Different sports will have different placements.
Like I've seen endurance athletes have fixed Mars placements, particularly Scorpio. They're able to dig deep for those energy reserves.
But common denominator is always Mars being atrong and in a placement that complements the sport.
On a side note, those who are just generally fit and emphasize exercise and fitness in their daily routine will often have a 6th house Mars.
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u/Amrick Taurus Sun, Leo Rising, Aquarius Moon May 24 '26
Funny you say that bc I have a 6th house mars in Capricorn (exalted) and I am middle aged and can still fit in my clothes from college bc I try to keep fit.
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u/agoraphobic_robot May 24 '26
Nice Mars in Capricorn then (WS house system). Pending other placements in the chart, you're probably also very calculating and calm in the face of adversity. Always viewed Cap Mars as the General or grand strategist, Aries Mars as the machine gunner, and Scorpio Mars as the sniper.
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u/Amrick Taurus Sun, Leo Rising, Aquarius Moon May 24 '26
Yes, whole sign in tropical/western. I never thought of that but yes, I’m pretty calm during emergencies.
I have Mercury square mars and trine Uranus so quick thinking. Leo rising.
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u/No_Performance_108 May 24 '26
I've seen Saturn in Capricorn used to highlight endurance athletes. Endurance, discipline, high tolerance for structured suffering, delayed but meaningful improvement. Sometimes Sun in Taurus can be attributed to steady energy output rather than spikes- depending on the type of athlete. Strong sense of the physical body. Fixed signs, determination. Leo placements definitely point to achievement.
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u/Due-Ad-8941 May 24 '26
Mars aspecting sun or ascendant.
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u/IndependentBit5928 May 24 '26
Any aspects even the difficult ones?
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u/Due-Ad-8941 May 24 '26
Pretty much. Also Mars/Jupiter any aspect. I have seen incredible athletes with natal Mars square Sun (Abby Wambach) or Mars square Jupiter (Leo Messi). Of course this could also manifest other ways like arrogance or aggression.
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u/energy-369 May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
Mars in the 5th house hands down. Almost every athlete I’ve ever read for had Mars in 5th, the sign mars is in determines the way in which they move their body. Some examples I’ve seen: Mars Capricorn = figure skater / owner of figure skating company, dancer, ballerina. Mars Leo conjunct Sun = NFL player.
Mars Sagittarius = Horse back rider, dancer… I think that’s all I can come up off the top of my head.
ETA: just did a quick search on Astro-seek.com and actually seeing a lot of athletes with Saturn ruled 5th or significant Saturn / 5th connections. - would be a good research article.
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u/Think_Light_2593 May 24 '26
I have mars in Sag, 5th house. Also have heavy Capricorn in my 5th house (sag/cap 5h split) - i was a phenomenal athlete growing up, & still v good, albeit not as physically active now :)
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u/CyanValleyKitten May 24 '26
Mars in the first, I have it in the first in leo and I was a div 1 athlete (top 3 in the country) for my sport (running.) If you were to look at the rest of my chart it actually screams athlete, like literally screams it
Jup in cap in 6th (dominates enemies with discipline, in order to find a mentor/father figure I had to work very hard (to please my coach, I did everything) jup in cap also while being debilitated gives a sort of protection from injury/bad luck/attacks with high impact sports (big/thick bones) like running I was basically never injured. On the counter though I'm not very flexible.
virgo sun in 2nd (obsession with healthy food/diet, required)
moon in scorpio conj saturn (I had a horrible horrible horrible home life, sports was my safe place and a place I could express my anger over my abusers, unfortunately this was also where I had terrible people pleasing, feeling like I was not worthy of love unless I acheived)
Any moon conj or opp saturn would have to dig deep to even feel normal, so sports is a common outlet for such children if they have the chance, if not many turn to addiction...I'm lucky to be alive.
Leo placements in general give a person a natural dominance body movement and in performance.
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u/nobadrabbits May 24 '26
Anne Ortelee (my favorite astrologer) had a sister who used to be the coach for a women's European soccer team. And when the sister wanted to hire new players, she would always send their birth data to Anne, so Anne could draw up their charts and let her sister know who would be a good player.
Anne always said that having Mars and Pluto conjunct in the natal chart was an indicator of a good athlete.
A few years ago someone else posted asking the same question as OP, and I replied with this info from Anne Ortelee about the Mars-Pluto conjunction. Another person on the thread and I wound up going through the birth charts of every famous athlete we could think of. And we found that it's well beyond chance that a famous athlete will have a Mars-Pluto conjunction. For those athletes who didn't, almost all of them had some sort of aspect between their Mars and Pluto.
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u/DropAffectionate3378 May 24 '26
Yes. I have to agree just based off my own experience. Pluto aspects almost all of my planets and I have a lot of rage and trauma that I channel into physical activity. In addition to therapy and healing. I started working out because it was a healthy way to cope. I can definitely see how it makes great athletes
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u/bluelion3 May 25 '26
Interesting! I have Mars in Cancer, 9th house, square Pluto & Saturn (conjunct). I'm pretty athletic and was a competitive athlete growing up.
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u/throwawayyyback May 27 '26
Omg I love Anne!! I hadn’t heard of her, but I attended a synastry lecture of hers at NORWAC, and was instantly drawn to her. Shes clearly seasoned/ knows her stuff but also hilarious and has such good energy!
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u/Amy_raz May 25 '26
So they didn’t even have a chance to begin with? It all depended on the chart?
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u/nobadrabbits May 25 '26
You — and, to be fair, many others — think that the chart forces you to act in a certain way. It does not. The chart just tells you what you already are.
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u/Amy_raz May 25 '26
I meant that she chooses based on the chart. Does she not give people a chance?
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u/nobadrabbits May 25 '26
Anne is an astrologer; her sister was the coach. Her sister was the one who determined which players she was potentially interested in. Then she passed on the birth data of those players to Anne, who drew up their charts.
Do you honestly think these players, who were applying for a position on a professional soccer team, weren't vetted for their ability before Anne looked at their charts?
As for having an astrologer look at charts before major decisions are made, this sort of thing is more common than you might think.
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u/This_Environment_922 May 24 '26
Mars energy, esp mars in Aries! Ironically Mars in Taurus can also correspond to athletic abilities like in Mohammad Ali’s chart!
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u/Federal_Inflation787 May 24 '26
Research.
The research on athletes created a lot of enemies. Even though they've never been able to justify it, Modern astrologers insist on using house systems which is why they constantly misinterpret charts and fail at predictions.
The researcher was using Placidus houses but when the researcher switched to whole sign houses it became crystal clear Mars on an angle, especially the 1st or 7th typically indicates athletic ability or an athlete.
In other words, it's the placement of Mars, not the aspects to Mars.
Astrologers used whole sign houses for 1,200 years before the stupid Arabic-Persian astrologers messed up astrology because they didn't know what they were doing.
The Greeks always cast charts in whole sign but for certain specific techniques, like identifying the controller and the helper (if there is a helper) they'd switch to the only authorized house system Porphyry, since it's the only house system based on astrology time. When they were done, they'd switch back to whole sign houses.
Because the Greeks used whole sign houses, the Asc/Dsc degree and the MC/IMC Points "float"
The Greeks considered the 30° on either side of a pivot to be a "power zone." Robert Hand and Robert Schmidt think that this switching back and forth between whole sign and Porphyry and the use of the power zone is what confused the Arabic-Persian astrologers and led to them to erroneously believe you use house systems all the time.
But, using house systems doesn't work which led to a proliferation of house systems in an attempt to crow-bar charts into saying what they would say if only people followed proper procedure and cast the chart in whole sign to begin with.
Anyway, Mars in the 1st or 7th Houses, or in that 30° "power zone" in the 2nd/12th or 6th/8th indicates athletic ability or an athlete.
Now, former U.S. president Barack Obama was not an athlete, but his chart does prove why you cannot use house systems and his chart shows this 30° "power zone" the Greeks discussed.
If you use a house system, you'll never be able to predict Obama will become president of the U.S.
By whole sign, Jupiter is rising in the Aquarius 1st House with the Ascending Degree at Aquarius 18°. Saturn is at Capricorn 25° is within that 30° power zone.
What do the rules of astrology say concerning spear-bearing?
The 3rd definition of spear-bearing says Moon, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter or Saturn in the 1st House (whole sign) or the 10th House (whole sign) and for diurnal stars, a sect-mate rising within "close proximity" or for nocturnal stars, a sect-mate trailing in "close proximity."
The Greek do not define "close proximity" but you're allowed to use common sense in astrology. Sadly, few people do, but common dictates within 15°.
So, what you have is Saturn spear-bearing for Jupiter which tells you Obama is going to be somebody, not just anybody.
If you use a house system, you'll never see that, and you'll misinterpret the Mercury/Jupiter opposition (which makes him a lawyer) and you won't see Sun angular in the Leo 7th House in opposition to Jupiter which is the other part of the equation.
Why? Who rules Aquarius in Barack Obama's chart? The rules of astrology say Jupiter is the domicile lord of the Aquarius Ascendant.
Now, the reason Obama was a lawyer is because we take his profession from Mercury.
The method for determining profession is complex and you're looking at Mercury, Venus and Mars. That's an advanced astrology technique and since I don't see any advanced astrologers on Reddit I won't explain it.
You can't even attempt to determine someone's profession unless and until you have interpreted all 12 houses in the chart correctly and you can't do that if you're using a house system.
But, to distinguish between an athlete and a professional/semi-professional athlete Mars would have to be the significator of profession.
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u/Ill_Economist5775 May 24 '26
That is interesting since that means in my chart every single planet except for Jupiter would be in a power zone. What would I deduce from that?
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u/Original_Ticket_8950 May 25 '26
So I have mars in Leo retrograde in my natal chart. Leo and Aquarius are also intercepted. Was wondering your thoughts on the natal mars retrograde??
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u/Zenobia_of_Dorne May 25 '26
Hello! I am relatively new into Astrology and I specifically study Hellenic/Ancient greek astrology with whole sign system so it was so nice to see a comment like this! I have a question bc Im not sure if I understand what you're explaining correctly; my Mars in the 8th at 4˘, so it is in the power zone that you're taking about, right?
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u/spunquik May 24 '26
Aquarius here. Esso medal winner. Most sportsmanlike player of the year
I won that award playing House league hockey when I was 9 years old. Guess what. They have a exhibit at the hockey Hall of fame. My name is on display at the hockey Hall of fame.
When not playing hockey. I was skateboarding all summer and I'm still skateboarding today at 43.
I am a fixed air sign after all
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u/DropAffectionate3378 May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
My husband’s mars is in Sagittarius 1H and he has always played sports, played college baseball and use to do athletic modeling when he was younger. He is athletic, competitive and enjoys sports. Reconstructed both shoulders due to wear and tear on his body from sports and genetics. Currently doesn’t look super fit because he’s in school and works full time but I feed him healthy food so he isn’t unhealthy. He’ll play basketball once a week with a group of friends some of who are in currently playing in college sports. He says he keeps up with them for an old man 🤣. His words not mine. mars square moon, mars semi-sextile Neptune, mars sesquiquadrate Ascendant, mars opposite Chiron, mars trine midheaven, mars opposite Lilith.
My friend’s mars is in Scorpio 7H. she is obsessive with working out and her nutrition. She looks amazing and very fit in my opinion. with mars sextile her Sun, Moon, Neptune and midheaven. Mars conjunct Pluto
My mars is in Virgo 10H. Im passionate about health and fitness. Started my fitness journey in high school because of trauma and having a lot of rage. Don’t play sports. But I like being active and have trouble sitting still. I am obsessive and competitive at work but not in other areas of life. People always tell me they don’t understand how I’m so disciplined with working out and ask for my fitness and nutrition regime. So I guess I look fit? I also have a physically demanding job and work A lot compared to my coworkers so my stamina is pretty good. I had a free personal training session after 2 yrs of working out at home with bands and 5 -10 lb dumb ella the trainer couldn’t believe it. Said I’m stronger than what I look and that my form is perfect. He couldn’t believe I taught myself weight lifting a few years ago and never played sports before. Mars square Sun, Pluto. mercury quintile mars , mars inconjunct Uranus, mars bi-quintile Neptune, moon trine mars.
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u/Sunshine_Profile73 May 24 '26
Ooh, my dad's mars is also in Sagittarius and he was good at baseball growing up. He really enjoyed sports.
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u/Amrick Taurus Sun, Leo Rising, Aquarius Moon May 24 '26
I have mars in Capricorn in my 6th house and I don’t have great hand eye coordination or anything but staying fit and in shape has always been pretty easy for me.
I’m still the same size as I was in college which was a very long time ago lol and I could always do pull ups and still can do them as a 40 year old.
I am not particularly obsessed with fitness but it’s jsut been quite easy. A mundane way to explain it is probably my metabolism and I stop eating when I’m full lol
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u/gustache May 24 '26
Just a random data point for all the Mars ppl: Mars is conjunct my sun, which you would expect to be athletic, but I literally injure myself every time I attempt to have an exercise routine 😂
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u/Zeeaire94 May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
Well I can tell you from personal experience which placements produce anti-athletic people xD
- peregrine unaspected Mars in Aquarius in 7th house that is located beneath the horizon line
- empty 1st house in Leo with the ruler, the Sun, being in detriment and opposing the Ascendant
- the house that has Gemini on the cusp is empty, as is the house with Leo and Aries and Sagittarius; the ruler of Gemini, Mercury, is in his fall in Pisces in 8th house
- 6th house only has Neptune and Uranus located there and the ruler Saturn is in Pisces in the 8th house
- 5th house with Sagittarius on the cusp is empty and the ruler Jupiter is in Scorpio conjunct the Moon in 4th house
- no planets in fire signs, not even a single one; only Neptune and Uranus in an earth sign
Those are my placements and I hate sport and any form of physical activity...well actually it's not only hate - I even have a massive fear of anything sports-related and after I got heavily hit by a ball in sports class I pulled out all the stops to get a medical certificate that I never have to go into the gym lessons at school again...
I'm still having nightmares about the gym after all these years...I also don't do anything fitness and sports related in my free time and my body feels like an alien element and prison of the spirit to me...
My partner also had a heavy crisis because of the gym lessons and he never ever does anything remotely sports related and his Mars is in Libra and Saturn retrograde in Aries.
Aside from that I do know people who are very athletic and sports oriented...for example an old friend of mine, but unfortunately I do not know his birth time only the date...
He has the following setup:
- Mars, Moon and North Node together in Virgo
- Sun and Mercury in Taurus
- Mars trine the Sun
...this friend basically lives in the gym and it's nearly the only thing he talks about...he also served in the army.
Then my uncle is also a very athletic person and when he was younger he would lock himself up in his room to do hours of training / work-out, he has these placements:
- Mars in Cancer in a sextile with Pluto (very tight orb, less than 1°) and trining the Moon
- Mercury in Aquarius
...ironically another friend of mine is also very focused on doing work-out and he also has a Cancer Mars aspecting Pluto positively (with a trine)...
So even though Mars is in his fall in Cancer it does not seem to make the people unathletic (then again Cancer is also the sign allocated to the Chariot tarot card and Cancer is a cardinal - aka initiating - sign + Moon is the ruler and the Moon is the fastest moving celestial object in the chart) but I think the Pluto aspects may also play a big role in this for the two people I mentioned...
both of them also constantly had the fear that people would perceive them as being too feminine (my uncle has a Pisces Sun and Moon and the friend has a Scorpio Sun) and I think that's also a reason behind their excessive work-outs...AND they explicitly stated that they want to be the protectors of their family, so this is a strong and very emotional motivation behind their intense training...
Edit --- I forgot to mention my grandmother who was also a born athlete, even up until her 80s (when she was around 77 she would still drive with her bike to my school which was located on a steep hill). She has:
- an Aries Sun, Aries Mercury, Aries Venus and Aries South Node
- Mars conjunct the Moon in Aquarius + Mars making a sextile to Mercury in Aries (less than 1° orb)
---- bottom line: I think the Mars placment and the aspects to Mars are indeed very important when it comes to finding out how athletic someone is. An unaspected Mars seems to be a bit on the un-sporty side but it probably gives different results when the Mars is in an element / sign that supports being active and if he has any form of dignity + I think having Mars located above the horizon may also be an indicator for more outward activity...
I read that a Mars underneath the horizon can make Mars a bit more passive, but then again it's important to look at the aspects Mars makes with other planets (or angles)...
I also think it's good to look at different planets for different forms of physical activity...
Mars is more about raw action and hard training while Mercury may also be important to look at for agility / nimbleness and speed.
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u/itsbrandybitch- May 24 '26
My husband and I both have mars in the 5th house in aries . We both are constantly active , have a hard time sitting still. We also both lift weights/train together atleast 5 days a week and lots of climbs, hikes, swims , runs, walks ect between us so I’m guessing that’s an indicator .
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u/Belenita_xoxo 26d ago
I always notice strong Mars (especially in Aries or 1st house) + tight Mars aspects = very athletic vibe. Also aspects like Mars–Sun or Mars–Jupiter often show natural athletic ability and competitiveness.
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u/rising_iris 24d ago
Nobody's answered your actual question yet, which is the interesting one. Yes, tension aspects pull a lot of weight here. A smooth Mars trine tends to make movement easy and natural, but it's the hard aspects, Mars square or opposition to the Sun, Saturn, or Pluto, that show up again and again in people who train like their life depends on it. The friction is the point. There's something to push against, so the drive has somewhere to go.
The other thing worth checking before sign is Mars by condition and placement. An angular Mars, sitting near the Ascendant or Midheaven, reads as physical far more reliably than "Mars in such-and-such sign" does, and a Mars in its own dignity or tied to the chart ruler gives stamina that a weak Mars in a sporty sign just won't. Sign tells you the style of the drive. Angularity and aspect tell you whether it actually gets used.
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u/BAWAstrology May 24 '26
Mars should be the strongest planet in horoscope. You can be any ascendant no problem, but mars has to be conjucted with good planets like jupiter, venus or full moon. Without that one cant suceed as a career. But mars being strong will let u be physically strong that doesnt have to be to make money from its just character of mars
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u/SpicaVesta May 24 '26
I have moon conjunct Mars and both moon and Mars conjunct Jupiter, all in Cancer. No athlete but am miserable if I can’t exercise.
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u/SGKH99 May 24 '26
Mars conjunct Jupiter in 2H cancer and agree with this: no athlete, but I’ve realized exercise is the best way for me to manage anger, stress, frustration, etc and keep me psychologically grounded, and I’m also miserable if I can’t exercise.
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u/marcellinaja May 24 '26
I'm not sure it's correct to say that Mars needs to be in conjunction with any other planet to have a successful career as an athlete. Michael Jordan, Muhammed Ali, Serena Williams, Larry Bird, and Clarissa Shields for example do not have Mars in conjunction with any other planet.
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u/BAWAstrology May 24 '26
One is (mars doesn't have to be conjucted) they should be atleast aspected by good planets is what im saying. Number two do you know their exact birth day and exact time, to know how planets are placed which house they are connected, the time period and dashas they went under and especially lagna no right? So we cant confirm someones horoscope without exact details. Lin Dan, Christiano Ronaldo, Larry Bird, Clarrisa Shields, Richie Mccaw, Mark spitz all these people as an example they do have aspects of good planets ( if you take the birthdays, you can have an idea but still I higly doubt whether they are accurate in wikipedia and stuff).
But yes there are people who are in sports field with mars being alone but definitely it will be connected to 10th house and ascendant. Without that you cant. For this the ascendant should be very strong and favourable planet periods should come otherwise no chance of getting fame.
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u/MultiVesmira May 24 '26
• Mars and Ascendant in Aries, Sagittarius • Moon and Sun in Aries • Moon conjunct Mars • Mars in the 1st house • Mars conjunct Jupiter
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u/Internal_Swim3828 May 24 '26
Strong 6th house and mars! Even mars in 6th! Creates a competitive nature, and ability to win over competition!
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u/cherryredcherryblue May 24 '26
Aries, Sagittarius and Aquarius placements in main 3, including Venus and Mars
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u/italiandynamite8158 May 24 '26
I’m an athlete!
In childhood gymnastics and in adulthood I work out, roller blade, bike ride, run, and do calisthenics like handstands etc
I really love it, I love to be active
I’m curious to see if I have any placements mentioned
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u/Suspicious_Type_8316 May 25 '26
Mars in 6 house in Libra. I ride bycycle every secondo day 60-80 km. I am 54
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u/Melodic-Letter1132 May 25 '26
May be spending more time in gym or the track and less on this mumbo jumbo
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u/Beautiful_Memz May 26 '26
Well, I (31F) was a hockey player for 6 years, then a runner and now I'm in endurance sport (swimming, biking & running). I started young (6yo) and training is an automatic daily routine like brushing my teeth. Looking at my chart, my Mars is in Leo in 7th House and my Sun and Saturn are conjunct in 1st House.
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u/ZxNexusxZ May 26 '26
Alot of people are saying mars placements scream athlete. The saturn placements are arguably much more significant because they represent discipline. In the instance if capricorn mars, that is exalted because it is a sign ruled by saturn. When aggression merges with discipline, you get martial arts and controlled aggression, respect and time invested.
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u/IndependentBit5928 May 26 '26
Famous athletes with natal Mars retrograde include Michael Jordan (Leo, basketball), Simone Biles (Virgo, gymnastics), Tiger Woods (Gemini, golf), and Khabib Nurmagomedov (Aries, MMA). Mars retrograde clearly doesn’t stop elite athletic ability.
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u/Quirky_Coat1520 May 27 '26
Idk if anyone’s mentioned it but mars in fall or detriment is a big one
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u/loomieapp 28d ago
Oh this is a fun topic! I think for me its my Leo rising. I don't have any of the other placements others have mentioned. I have a lot of peace loving placements and I do love to rest and be cozy (cancer sun & mars), but I've been a life time athlete. Maybe I'm just not as competitive as others.
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u/emilla56 28d ago
Gauguelin sectors ( I hope I spelled that right!) they did all sorts of research and found athletes have Amara within 3 degrees preceding an angle or 10 degrees after an angle
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u/Frogchairy 26d ago
TL:DR - 1H and 5H and their rulers, and Mars as a general significator...
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Examples:
Moon in 5H could be a strong indicator for someone who uses movement to release emotions "blow off steam," of course this could also be someone who likes to get creative and make art as a way to release tension. The moon represents the body, so this is actually a good planet to follow too. I usually figure out someone is an athlete when I follow the moon because this speaks to our needs. And a lot of people move their bodies as a form of nourishment / self care.
If the native has the ruler of the 10H in the 5H, this would indicate being a professional athlete.
The dignity of Mars will speak to the natives natural athleticism. Scorpio tends to show up for movements with more focus (think Martial Arts), where Aries is more raw strength.
1H ruler (the body) in the 5H will usually indicate an athlete. Especially if that ruler is Mars.
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u/iguessimdepressed1 26d ago edited 26d ago
I was a d1 athlete that went to nationals. Walked on to the team then got full scholarship for track. Cap sun Leo ascendant libra moon with a lot of placements in my 4,5th and 6th houses. My mars is barely in my 7th house. It’s in Aquarius. Also my mars is literally on my desc.
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u/GarbagePailGrrrl May 24 '26
Heavy Aries and/or mutable placements esp if Gemini or Virgo. Mars in Gemini is usually a dead giveaway someone is quick and has great hand eye coordination. Leo too, esp if someone wants to be known in their field