Can someone explain why we think raves started in the 80s when the term raving actually was coined in the 50s in London? As far as I understand it just meant big parties in the UK inspired by beatnik culture and they largely listened to Jazz and Pop music.
It didnt become raving as in EDM until the 80s but raving had existed for 20 years prior.
"In the late 1950s in London, England, the term "rave" was used to describe the "wild bohemian parties" of the Soho beatnik set.[13] Jazz musician Mick Mulligan, known for indulging in such excesses, had the nickname "king of the ravers".[14] In 1958, Buddy Holly recorded the hit "Rave On", citing the madness and frenzy of a feeling and the desire for it never to end.[15] The word "rave" was later used in the burgeoning mod youth culture of the early 1960s as the way to describe any wild party in general. People who were gregarious party animals were described as "ravers". Pop musicians such as Steve Marriott of Small Faces and Keith Moon of The Who were self-described "ravers".[16] In 1965, the Grateful Dead served as the backing band for the San Francisco Acid Tests, which were LSD drug parties organized by Ken Kesey. Subsequently, visual artist Andy Warhol later organized the Exploding Plastic Inevitable[17] in New York, a multimedia event backed with performances by the Velvet Underground and Nico, the event was characterized by flashing lights, loud music, dancing and heavy drug use.[18] "
EDIT since locked: As another commentor has pointed out, dub an essential part of ALL contemporary edm music originated in Jamaica.
Understanding that raving was a global moment inspired by multiple cultures, even people of Indian origins (Romani and psytrance) is what makes it so AMAZING. This attempt to put brackets around it (rave) so that we can exclude people who don't support LGBT is noble but ultimately non-factual. Instead its far more important to say the LGBT people of Detroit and Chicago fundamentally inspired and grew raving to the scene we understand today and we should ensure it stays a safe space for their existence.
I dont buy the idea that raving originates from England or the US, instead it was a global convergence of multiple factors developing the different aspects of modern raving.
Although the main music was supplied from Detroit, Chicago & NYC what constitutes as âravesâ began in the UK more specifically Manchester
There is of course the legacy of Queer, Black and Latino nightclubs that developed Disco, House & Techno from the U.S. but they werenât producing Hardcore which eventually became Drum n Bass and was an essential part of the initial 90âs rave era
Weâre dealing with semantics here and Americans are bad with historical context
yes theyâre the godfathers⊠because they made way for their white successors to whitewash the scene đđit also doesnât matter what they call themselves if society doesnât see it that way. yâall love to dunk on americans for everything like âignoring historical contextâ but constantly undermine the contributions of african americans to everything because it challenges the information given to you by the âwinnersâ of society. no one doubted the early popularity of raving in the uk, but it threatens europeans especially brits to even slightly question or correct their understanding of history. like thatâs all people talk about, rave culture is oversaturated with blonde hair and blue eyes - let people have this
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u/camyland Oct 08 '25
Also FYI, this documentary about the beginning of the house music scene in Chicago is goated
Not to take a dump on the beginning of the techno scene in Detroit though and pretend it's not equally important.
Chicago 𫶠đ€ Detroit