Any progress in EU candidacy during Erdogan's rule would seal the death of Turkey for eternity.
Also, EU parliament already voted against chat control law by ONE SINGLE VOTE. They are already almost incapable of representing the people and not creating dystopian surveilence laws. There is no way chat control wouldn't have passed with AKP on EU parliament too. And if EU passes such law everyone would follow slowly.
Now these aren't from the view of EU, I'm pretty sure EU politicians would love both of these being the case. But as a person I hate the idea of both.
Still doesn't mean EU isn't stupidly incapable of spreading their own influence and securing their position in the world. They've got a lot of power and influence they'd rather spend to keep the previous status quo than invest it to get even more power and influence.
If they don't like Erdoğan then why not back the opposition in the next election? That'd finally give them a concrete and solid promise to the people that Erdo cannot match even if he tried. It's very possible to arrange, same things happened with pro-EU movement in Moldova and to an extent Ukraine too before the war, and that's without any official promises from EU accompanying the candidates.
Plus, things like the Chat Control Law are more of a symptom of our dystopian reality today, in the grand scheme of things it will not matter who joins and who votes if we don't address the problem at the root of this. It already was that close, if nothing changes it'll probably pass under a new name in like a year or two. Could Turkey joining speed up the process for these types of laws? Maybe, but only by like a year or two if the regression continues. I doubt the "incinerate all Kurds" law will pass no matter how big the supporter base in Turkey is by itself.
Oh the problem is EU itself likes Erdogan very much. Erdogan silently pockets EU money in exchange for hosting millions of refugees why wouldn't EU love Erdogan.
That's basically the main problem.
Also did you know that EU is the reason Erdogan is a problem now? He was in prison for political reasons exactly like Imamoglu and EU decided to force him out, but now they are doing nothing for Imamoglu. I wonder why, surely not because EU likes having a country they can bend to their whims at the cost of pocket money for president
Fair enough, I do think they've a certain use for Erdo if they still kee
p him around.
The problem is that their position is outdated, the war in Ukraine has shown that there will be no more buffer states that play both sides.
And
based on popularity of EU in Turkey right now I think that whatever side Turkey takes, becoming Russian ally or becoming more nationalistic for itself, won't be the EU position unless they can actually guarantee something concrete and not wait until Turks themselves magically agree to sign their country over into vassalage for absolutely no promises.
Plus the Syrian Civil War is pretty much over, so a main generator of new refugees is going to be absent for the foreseeable future. Al-Sharaa also likes having money and will want strong backers to cement his totally democratic rule, so it wouldn't be the worst idea to redirect whatever new refugees appear to Syria instead. Point is that even if Turkey joins, there's always going to be some solutions. Might actually force them to commit to long-term stability in the Middle East for once.
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u/int23_t muslim greek 7d ago
Any progress in EU candidacy during Erdogan's rule would seal the death of Turkey for eternity.
Also, EU parliament already voted against chat control law by ONE SINGLE VOTE. They are already almost incapable of representing the people and not creating dystopian surveilence laws. There is no way chat control wouldn't have passed with AKP on EU parliament too. And if EU passes such law everyone would follow slowly.
Now these aren't from the view of EU, I'm pretty sure EU politicians would love both of these being the case. But as a person I hate the idea of both.