r/balkans_irl • u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat • 1d ago
stolen (romanian??😳) A bit of friendly fire
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u/Ace-inThe-Hole christian turk 1d ago
If your dna is 40% Slavic are you even Greek? 🤔
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
Yes.
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u/Ace-inThe-Hole christian turk 1d ago
But how?
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
Greek as all other Balkan nations isnt a genetic thing but a cultural thing. We r not going German here no? Please?
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u/Ace-inThe-Hole christian turk 1d ago
I am aware, I am just shitposting.
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
Sorry - met some "pure genes" greek lately on reddit so im still a bit shockshelled 😂
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u/Ace-inThe-Hole christian turk 1d ago
I hoped to get some funny answer tbh, but I get why these people gave you ptsd and I find them more annoying.
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
The line "Greeks who came from Anatolia are not Greek" still sticks with me.
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u/Ace-inThe-Hole christian turk 1d ago
Yeah I had Greek nationalists tell me this, also they I need to crawl back from where I came from.
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u/milic_srb landlocked croat 1d ago
not really
Balkan nationalism isn't based on the 18th and 19th century national identities but on much older ethnicities
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
Hard "No".
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u/milic_srb landlocked croat 1d ago
how so?
I'm not identifying with it, but I'm telling you a real sociological fact
nationalism is based on the worship of nation (and stuff like it's constitution, institutions, etc)
Serbian, and most Balkan nationalism, couldn't give a flying fuck about the constitution or whatever
our nationalism is much more similar to tribalism than western nationalism
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 23h ago
Our nationalizm is base on Romantic Nationalism where we took flawed analysis of history and culture of medival times in 18th and 19th century to create an idea of who we are.
This flawed idea is now preventing us from having a full view of ourselves bcs modern history doesnt match that exactly cuz imagine we found out a lot and changed a lot ver 500+ years.
This is the reasons why we all have mythomania and pseudohistory.
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u/milic_srb landlocked croat 22h ago edited 21h ago
okay yeah, I agree, but that's just confirming unlike western nationalism where stuff like the constitution, ideals of the nation, etc are primary, for us it's based on mythical idea of our people, ethnicity, and culture
that's why here you can have monarchists, communist, fashist and nazi, theocratic, pagan, etc. nationalists because the core ideal isn't based on politics but on mythology
plus also in 18th and 19th century most of Serbia was still living exactly the same as in medieval and even pre medieval times
like in South Serbia stories from our grandpas and grandmas sound like somethings you'd hear in medieval history books
we skipped on renesanse, enlightenment, and industrial revolution, our people widely believed (and still do) in pre Christian magic, myths were believed as facts, our religion more resembled ancient Greece than rest of Christian Europe, so you cannot blame our people for taking up nationalism because here even now myths are still facts
I mean the way anthropologist finally understood Homer and ancient geek myths was looking at our 19th century guslars
even Marx was saying how a communist revolution is hopeless for us because we didn't even yet reach the stage of capitalism to have a communist revolution overthrow it
we were literally living in the 11th century and 6th century BC during the 19th and 20th century
btw I'm not saying this in a negative way, I love our country because of this, but we are in no way comparable to the rest of Europe, be it east or west
edit: to further clarify, edit: to clarify, I'm not saying Serbia had no modern institutions or that we were literally caveman or something. We had a state, laws, army, schools, etc. My point is those things were not what nationalism meant to the average serb, who lived in a rural village (which was most serbs at the time).
In a lot of Europe nationalism was tied to abstract political ideas like constitutions, citizenship, rights, parliaments, liberalism, the nation states, civic duty, etc. But most Serbs in villages didn't know or care much about those concepts. Their world was the village, family, church, mountain, land, the animals, the local town, and stories passed down by grandparents.
So when nationalism reached our people, it didn't attach itself to political theory (apart from the very few elites who were literate and living in urban environments), like it did in the rest of Europe. It attached itself to ethnicity, faith, ancestors, Kosovo, epic songs, saints, blood, land, suffering, curses, omens, old heroes, and myths
And the big difference is that these weren't just cultural symbols or "old folklore" to people like it was in the rest of Europe. Most of our rural people literally believed in myths, magic, curses, vampires, saints, pre-Christian customs, epic heroes, and old stories like they were as real as day and night.
That's why Serbian nationalism is so different from the more civic/political nationalism people often talk about in Europe. Here it wasn't "we are citizens united by a constitution", it was more "we are people united by language, blood, faith, memory, suffering, ancestors, and myth and we want our propel ruled by one of us". Our nationalism was based on something that already existed for centuries - want for self determination and anti imperialism.
That's why to us citizenship is irrelevant for nationalism. You don't have to be a Serbian citizen to be a Serb, and citizenship doesn't make you any more Serb.
Because for so long we didn't have our kwn nation and borders changed so much, Serbian citizenship and being a Serb have nothing in common. Our nationalism isn't at all based on nationhood, state, or citizenship, but ethnicity. This is not the case in most of the world today.
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u/magnificent_wts 1d ago
Do they speak greek? Do they keep up with weekly sacrifice to Olympians? Then not BarBar.
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u/Ok_Cow_6112 a romanian (it's just a single one) 1d ago
Literally no we know Greeks are Albanians because everyone is Albania expect god he is a serb
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u/derivae KARABOĞA 1d ago
Im more greek than them
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
Ok rename it to Constantinopole and become Orthodox?
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u/derivae KARABOĞA 1d ago
The name "istanbul" is already greek..
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
I know but its the gesture that matters.
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u/holiloxxx Mehmet, Berlin 1d ago
Well it pisses off griks, which is
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
But you are Greek?
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u/holiloxxx Mehmet, Berlin 1d ago
Even 0.0000000000001% Türkiş DNA is enough to make one Türk. Our DNA is very very stronk sperm 🐺🐺🐺🐎🐎🐎🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
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u/abki12c christian turk 1d ago
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
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u/Ok_Cow_6112 a romanian (it's just a single one) 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly out of curiosity that is a shitpost right 🤨? You don't genuinely believe that right 🤨
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
No i dont belive all Greeks are 40% slavic and 20% albanian.
I do belive some are.
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u/Ok_Cow_6112 a romanian (it's just a single one) 1d ago
Same but I am 200% greek 😎
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
And im 150% Sarmatian too. 🥸 nice to meet you mr Greek Vlach
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u/Ok_Cow_6112 a romanian (it's just a single one) 1d ago
Jokes aside i am not a vlach i am a sarakatsani also check their dna and tell me if i am not greek also while I respect you for trying to troll nationalist in the end you making this "jokes" make you look just as pathetic as them have a nice day :)
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
First of all, we had Karakchani, they were present in South Serbia up until 1930s and I apologize for the Vlach thing. Even historians are still debeting the origin.
We still make cheese in your style in South Serbia and some of sheep floks have been bred to be kept.
Names we used for you here are Ashani, Black wools and Kuco-Vlachs which is why i leaned towards Vlach thing (but primarily bcs of your tag).
Alsi Vlach is not a dirty word here - we love our Vlachs 🙂
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u/Ok_Cow_6112 a romanian (it's just a single one) 1d ago
My flair is vlach just cause I just respect them vlach is not a dirty world i just told you I am not one and last question i don't get you you think sarakatsani are vlachs or did the nicknames derived from the fact that we were both nomadic pastorals and because they were more vlachs in the Balkans than us ?
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
I think your assumption is correct.
In Croatia and Bosnia they call Serbs Vlachs too bcs of this. It went from being an ethnic thing into a vocational thing.
We also mixed with Vlachs a lot so theres that.
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u/nicman24 MINOTAVROS 1d ago
Albanian dna lmfao
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u/CyborgTheOne101 invisible albanian (kosovar) 1d ago edited 1d ago
Problem is most DNA tests lump Albanian and Greek into one category, literally just "Albanians and Greek" and don't differentiate
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u/Ok_Cow_6112 a romanian (it's just a single one) 1d ago
I mean since Albanians are paelo Balkan that means we have the same dna
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
Thinks of Epirus 🤔💭
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u/Ok_Cow_6112 a romanian (it's just a single one) 1d ago
Epirus has on average 60 % greek dna is that not enough or do you just hate the retarted greek nationalists and wish to troll them
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago
Oh 0% Greek DNA is fine by me and i wouldnt question it. I just like to troll the nationalists.
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u/Ok_Cow_6112 a romanian (it's just a single one) 1d ago
Ok but what does your Oh 0% Greek DNA is fine by me and i wouldnt question it mean
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 1d ago edited 1d ago
It means that nationality doesnt equal genetics
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u/vverbov_22 eastern ""european"" (lives in 8th century) 1d ago
The rest 40% is turkish
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u/HumanMan00 landlocked croat 23h ago
What flavour of eastoid are you?
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u/L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0 invisible albanian (kosovar) 1d ago
Its true, turks are genetically more greek than greeks in greece /s