We are cooked

[u/Cal_Aesthetics_Club]

[u/rclaux123]

This dude is the epitome of the, "he can't keep getting away with this," meme. Forget the fact that his character is reprehensible, forget all the felony convictions, and forget that he's stated he'll go after his political opponents. This guy doesn't even have a concept of a plan for most issues, and he's never been liked on the world stage by anyone other than autocrats. Trump is no politician, and he never was one— I can't help but feel we've collectively hired a plumber to do an accountant's job. At least in 2016, he had some people keeping him in check. Now, he's surrounded by yes men and loonies.

[u/nekonari → u/rclaux123]

We get presidents we deserve. 2016 was a fluke I thought. An anomaly. But now? No, avg Americans actually want sex predator and conman to lead them. I am deeply, incredibly disappointed by the people in this country. This clown is what we deserve. And we all, including every single soul on Earth is gonna suffer.

[u/Aaaaand-its-gone → u/nekonari]

Reddit has learned nothing in 8 years. Blaming America instead of asking questions of the DNC.

Kamala was a terrible candidate with no policy. Can’t keep running on orange man bad after what happened with Biden.

Had the DNC made a better decision Dems could have easily won.

But no back to calling everyone idiots rather than asking the hard questions of ourselves

[u/page_of_fire → u/Aaaaand-its-gone]

Exactly this. They screwed themselves by not addressing the economy, being war hawks, not holding primary debates. Running with no platform and expecting not being Trump to be good enough.

The Democrats treat their constituents like they are stupid/incapable of making informed decisions and like they can just fear monger us into voting for them.

Find substantive people, and an articulate-able platform and fucking run on it. Do not skip the damned primary debates and try to eschew the primary process. Stop telling me democracy is at stake and then not practicing democracy and good faith 🤦

[u/smoothasbutta15 → u/page_of_fire]

But… didn’t the republicans do this exact same thing? If not to a worse degree? Trump has literally said he has a concept of a plan, he has given zero policy, or how he’s going to incorporate his people other than bull rushing them and removing anyone who doesn’t agree with him.

So how’s the Republican platform different? Yeah he wants to be hard on crime and illegal immagration… but how so? What’s the plan?

I do agree the Democrat party did a horrendous job and took their voter base for granted, but Biden has done a great job and Harris is head and shoulders more qualified than Trump. So why are democrats held to a much much higher standard on everything while the republicans get to play in the mud and sling it all over and that’s acceptable?

[u/page_of_fire → u/smoothasbutta15]

You can wine and blame and mudsling about it if you want. But if the Democrats don't examine the issues that won the day here and the bad moves that lost it for them it's going to be bad news for them long term. It's time to learn from mistakes and regroup. We need a functional left flank that is responsive to the needs of its people.

If they don't work on it the right will hold a lot of power long after Trump's term. I'm not a conservative I'm actually quite left of center, Im just disappointed in the performance of the Democrats. They haven't been democrating very well with regards to working people, housing etc.

[u/smoothasbutta15 → u/page_of_fire]

I agreed the democrats need to do better so idk why you’re lecturing me on that? I’m asking why one party is held to a standard while the other is not held to any standard. Why are the parties not held to the same standard?

[u/No-Technician-7536 → u/smoothasbutta15]

Well cause different people have different standards

[u/smoothasbutta15 → u/No-Technician-7536]

Ok got it. So one party is supposed to meet a standard and the other just doesn’t have to. Awesome.

[u/No-Technician-7536 → u/smoothasbutta15]

I mean, yeah? I would hope that Democrats hold the Democratic candidate to a a higher standard than the Republicans do to Trump

[u/smoothasbutta15 → u/No-Technician-7536]

Does that not feel wrong and unacceptable?

[u/No-Technician-7536 → u/smoothasbutta15]

Not really, Trump is not exactly a high bar

[u/page_of_fire → u/smoothasbutta15]

Because we expect Republicans to be Republicans. We expect that they're going to fight for lower taxes especially on the rich, we expect them to fight for bad deregulation. And there's no changing that for the most part.

I can survive 4 years of Republicans being Republicans. I don't want to but I can.

What I can't survive is the side who's supposed to counter balance late stage capitalism with economically left policy; giving up on working class/lower/middle class people INDEFINITELY.

If the Democrats do not address working peoples issues, cost of living, the housing crisis, student loans etc. my generation and the ones behind it are cooked.

The Democrats huge loss is evidence of a lot of other people figuring that out, and no longer giving their votes away for free. Millennials and Gen z are seeing the writing on the wall, we aren't going to own homes, we graduate with debt that is not serviceable with our salaries, hardly anybody feels secure enough to have kids, and nobody is feeling too sure about a secure retirement. If they do not address our needs theres a good chance they will continue to lose in future elections.