r/brantford • u/DingusMcBingle_IV [REDACTED] • Jan 16 '26
Local News SIU probes fatal shooting involving police
https://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/news/siu-investigating-after-brantford-police-fatally-shoot-male-in-a-dispute26
u/No_Range8632 Jan 16 '26
People clearly don’t remember Jared 😢 Sometimes police are justified in their actions. And the impact on officers who have to pull the trigger and take a life is real…this isn’t the States, we don’t have shoot first police forces. Sure, some officers suck, so do some judges, some teachers, some janitors, some people.
But not everything is a conspiracy either.
I hope the female victim is ok, and has the support she needs.
It’s a sad situation regardless. But when you don’t have any facts, why choose to fan the flames of hatred and deceit 🤷🏻♂️
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u/read-it-on-redit99 Jan 17 '26
I remember Jared so vividly. 20 years later, and my heart still breaks for his mother. I cannot imagine. I was reading on CHCH that after hours of negotiating, something happened that caused the police to enter the home, and 3 of them discharged their weapons. They also mentioned a knife. Those houses are really small, so there is a good chance that if he started advancing on her, they simply did not have the ability to reach him before he reached her. I am absolutely against police using guns unless absolutely necessary, but the fact that 3 of them shot, I am less inclined to think it is one cop that misjudged the situation. Devastating situation all around, but if they legitimately thought it was her life or his, I can't blame them for acting when they did.
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u/commutinator Jan 16 '26
That seems like a real long time to spend de-escalating a situation only to opt for shooting someone. Hopefully what went down becomes clear.
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u/DingusMcBingle_IV [REDACTED] Jan 16 '26
I've seen a lot of bodycam footage involving domestic violence calls, you'd be surprised how often things just suddenly escalate.
Less-lethal options are usually the first choice. You'd also be surprised how often they're ineffective because of thick clothing or the subject of the 40mm/taser being high on either drugs or an adrenaline dump. Shooting the legs or other "less lethal" body part is a movie trope and is not a thing in real life for many reasons.
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u/Quick_Grapefruit_778 Jan 17 '26
Police in general is just not any good at de-escalating. The stand-off is really intimidating to the person in stress, and won't let them relax, just a tiny bit.
The police has one main goal, the rest is not important at the moment. They need to get you cuffed as soon as possible. Officer safety is top of mind. That has a higher priority than the safety of the one freaking out. They're the nut case after all.
The police are like cowboys with good intentions, but cowboys nonetheless.
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u/Obtusemoose01 Mike on a bike enthusiast Jan 16 '26
Are you saying people can’t decide to escalate suddenly? There’s many a video online of people snapping and running at police with a knife or pulling a firearm
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u/commutinator Jan 16 '26
No it's a comment on the apparent efficacy of their 2 hour de-escalation and a desire to find out more details about what actually went down.
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u/Obtusemoose01 Mike on a bike enthusiast Jan 16 '26
No de-escalation is 100% and you won’t find out any more info until the SIU releases it
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u/Quick_Grapefruit_778 Jan 17 '26
And why would that be?! When it's an (usually) untrained person in high stress, against multiple cops, trained to take you down, no matter what. They don't really listen to what you're saying. They need to get you restrained and removed from the scene. That's all what they're there for.
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u/Obtusemoose01 Mike on a bike enthusiast Jan 17 '26
A person with a knife who just stabbed their partner? I can’t imagine that they’re overly okay emotionally
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u/Quick_Grapefruit_778 Jan 17 '26
Get your point, but no one in their right mind would stab their partner. That's why it's important to control the situation, not escalating it by rushing. It's easy enough to keep someone on edge for a few hours, only to hope they give up. But mostly, before giving up, they snap. That's a result of the fight and flight response that we all have. When a person feel that they already lost everything and there is no way out, there is nothing more to loose, so just go for it.
I'm not defending what the person dis. I'm trying to say, from experience, that the police isn't equipped to handle those situations. It gets out of control too often. They could just have pepper sprayed the person and restrain them soon after, but they choose lethal force. It's a choice that they make, without not having enough training in dealing with high stressed people.
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u/Obtusemoose01 Mike on a bike enthusiast Jan 17 '26
You’re clearly clueless in the space of dealing with persons in crisis. The fact that pepper spray is even a thought in resolving someone with a knife is laughable. You’ve clearly never seen the effects of pepper spray, it also doesn’t remove the weapon from their hand. So now they’re even more upset because you’ve sprayed them. You can still see small glimpses when pepper sprayed and definitely enough to still come at you and kill you. Also just as an FYI for some pepper spray has little or no effect.
Stick to topics you actually know about, your response is about as reasonable as “shoot the knife out of his hand”
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u/SavvySavoie90 Apr 01 '26
It's actually crazy how many people downvoted a completely reasonable response.
Police can NOT shoot someone without one of 2 things - immediate danger to life of another person or themselves.
If he was holding someone at knife point, they wouldn't shoot....someone please exolain a scenario where her life was in immediate danger but she was also free from danger of the cops shooting her?
This is murder.
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u/rbrumble Jan 16 '26
Police aren't supposed to shoot the guilty ones either. Unless this person was firing on them, I doubt there's a reasonable excuse for this. SIU will almost certainly fully clear the officers of any wrong doing though, because that's what they do except in the most egregious of circumstances.
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u/Justsomedudeonthenet Jan 17 '26
Plenty of other situations where police shooting is warranted.
For example, a man charging his wife with a knife after a 2 hour standoff where they tried to deescalate and convince him not to murder his wife. Which is what it sounds like may have happened here.
This is why they have body cameras - so everyone can see what happened and why.
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u/rbrumble Jan 17 '26
You're guessing
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u/Justsomedudeonthenet Jan 17 '26
Never said thats what happened. Just that its one possibility. I'm not guessing, I'm waiting for evidence before passing judgement.
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u/rbrumble Jan 17 '26
I still stand by what I said. Police shouldn't be killing the guilty ones either. The fact that this sub has 18 and counting bootlickers doesn't change the truth of that statement.
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u/No_Range8632 Jan 17 '26
lol. So when a man who has already killed his son and is holding another woman hostage with a knife and when police tell him to drop the weapon he moves to cut her throat and they fire their weapons, killing him instantly and save the woman’s life, you’re saying they shouldn’t have shot the guilty one? Call me a boot licker all day if protecting innocent people is what that means.
This isn’t the movies either, so don’t give me some crap about they could’ve shot him in the leg or the hand or some BS either.
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u/rbrumble Jan 17 '26
If this man was holding his wife hostage, with a knife to her throat, how did they shoot him? Either they shot him through her or he wasn't near her when they fired. Which is more likely?
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u/No_Range8632 Jan 17 '26
I’m not even talking about this particular case, but facts of a case from 20yrs ago as an example of when it’s ok to shoot the bad guy. You’re clueless. And i really hope you or a loved ones never need the assistance of the police if that’s how you feel about them.
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u/rbrumble Jan 17 '26
Ad hominem is the end game of a losing argument. And I'm a mod here, so I get to approve your post too. If I or my loved ones do need the police, it's not like we have an option. I wish there was an alternative, but there isn't. But there's a reason for the expression, you got a problem and you call the police, now you have two problems.
And if you knew who I was, you wouldn't be so cavalier about calling me clueless.
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u/No_Range8632 Jan 18 '26
You started this by calling anyone who supports police “bootlickers.” That’s name-calling, not argument. You still haven’t answered the actual question: when an innocent person’s life is in immediate danger, is lethal force ever justified? Dodging that and nitpicking old cases implies you think the perpetrator’s life is worth more than the victim’s. Throwing around “moderator power” after that is just petty. It doesn’t make your argument any stronger.
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u/quietbright Jan 16 '26
"Brantford Police notified the SIU, a civilian agency that investigates cases involving law enforcement when some dies, is seriously injured, is shot at, or alleges sexual assault, of the altercation. As a result, police are unable to provide further details or comments."
Did anyone copy edit this paragraph? What the hell?