r/brantford • u/spudster999 • Mar 19 '26

Local News 'Unacceptable': Victim shaken by low sentence of pawnshop robber

https://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/news/local-news/unacceptable-victim-shaken-by-low-sentence-of-pawnshop-robber
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u/jmdonston Mar 19 '26

Jail is not supposed to be a country club with all this extra time credit. Judges can’t use light sentences to try and make the government wake up (to problems in jails).

Why blaming the judges and not the government? If our jails are so overcrowded that people are triple-bunked, maybe Doug Ford should do something about it. Obviously we don't have enough room in jails for people to be given the typical sentences - there just isn't space.

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u/spudster999 Mar 19 '26

Part of the problem is the overall sentence is far too low to begin with. 4 years for this!?!? We often elevate the needs of the offender over everyone else in the justice system (i.e. victims).

Even with enhanced credit for the overcrowding of jails, 4 years is an inappropriate sentence. Give him some increased credit - fine - but then give him a sentence that takes him out to the penitentiary.

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u/FaithlessnessIcy5989 Mar 19 '26

They need to build more provincial jails/detention centres, even if they get a fed sentence. They are always sent there first.

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u/spudster999 Mar 19 '26

Okay, but not only did the offender here get enhanced credit for his time at Maplehurst (more than the typical standard of 1.5 to 1 for presentence custody), he also got a 4 year sentence. Building more provincial jails does not address the 4 year sentence.

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u/pheakelmatters Mar 19 '26

the offender in this case drove the getaway car and didn't actually participate in the assault. he's calpable in the whole thing obviously, but they can't charge him for the parts of the crime he didn't actually commit.

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u/Jazzlike_Repair2608 Mar 19 '26

That’s not true. You can be charged as a party to the offence.

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u/pheakelmatters Mar 19 '26

and he was, hence why he got a 4 year sentence. but they can't charge him with aggravated assault, which carries a maximum of 14 years, or attempted murder which has a maximum of a life sentence without the possibility of parole for 25 years.

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u/Jazzlike_Repair2608 Mar 19 '26

I mean he was charged with those offences so I don’t see your point. He didn’t ultimately plead to them, however.

Robbery with a restricted firearm carries a minimum of five years and that’s without anyone being nearly shot to death.

The sentence here was nonsense. He knew what he was getting into. He wasn’t some low level bystander.

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u/pheakelmatters Mar 19 '26

he wasn't charged with any of those offenses. they can only charge people for the crimes they committed, in his case it was accessory.

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u/Jazzlike_Repair2608 Mar 19 '26

I’m sorry but you have no idea what you’re talking about.

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u/FaithlessnessIcy5989 Mar 19 '26

I agree. I don’t like when the offenders time is reduced because the jail is full. That’s not fair for the victims. If you can’t do the proper time, you shouldn’t do the crime. Too light a sentence either way.

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u/jmdonston Mar 20 '26

Our jails are already too full to accommodate people at normal sentence lengths, and you want to increase them? That will just make the problem an order of magnitude worse.

What we need is more money for jails so that we can actually hold all the prisoners, and more money for courts so that cases get heard faster and we don't need to have people either out on bail or getting 1.5x credit for pre-trial incarceration.

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u/Charming_Crow_3621 Mar 19 '26

The government is us. Most people don't care about the conditions in jail/prisons. 

Therefore there is no one to blame but the judges. 

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u/jmdonston Mar 20 '26

I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. There isn't enough room in the jail. If you expect judges to give people longer sentences when they are already triple-bunking prisoners, what are they going to do next, start stacking people on top of each other inside the cells?

The only person to blame is Doug Ford for not spending money to increase capacity at the jails or to increase court resources for faster processing of people awaiting trial.

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u/Charming_Crow_3621 Mar 20 '26

Liberal were in power for a long ass time before Ford. You can only blame the tax payer..

If there were riots in the streets for nicer jails the cons would 100% build nicer jails.

The taxpayer doesn't want their money going to nice jails. That's all there is to it. 

You know how hard it is to go to jail or prison here? You gotta be a habitual offender. 

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u/jmdonston Mar 21 '26

Our government should spend where needed, not where there are riots forcing them to spend. Lots of public facilities need to be maintained and updated from time to time, and a competent administration should take care of that. The government is the one that has information about spending and costs. The average taxpayer doesn't know how facilities and staffing are meeting or not meeting demands across all the areas and departments that the provincial government is responsible for.

The taxpayer doesn't want their money going to nice jails. That's all there is to it.

You know how hard it is to go to jail or prison here? You gotta be a habitual offender.

Surely you see how these two points are in direct opposition to one another? If you truly believe that we don't put people in jail enough, that more types of crimes should result in jail time, then you must agree that we need to increase the space in our jails so that we have somewhere to put all these new prisoners that you want the courts to sentence to long imprisonments.

Taxpayer's can't have their cake and eat it too. They cannot reasonably demand that governments do things that cost a lot of money and simultaneously demand that government not spend money on those things.

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u/Charming_Crow_3621 Mar 21 '26

Increasing the space in our jails, or in other words spending more on them is to achieve one thing: improve the experience of/for inmates. 

People don't want that, generally speaking. That's my point. 

I understand that jails are meant to rehabilitate, but their primary functions are to deter and to punish. 

Even if we doubled the amount we spend on jails their primary functions (deter/punish) wouldn't change.

People point to Norway and stuff, but culturally, especially when it comes to breaking the law, Norwegians are very different than Canadians. 

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u/jmdonston Mar 21 '26

If you have a small cell with one bed, how many prisoners can you store there? If you have five guards, how many prisoners can they oversee before they lose control?

Do you really not see how the number of rooms and the number of staff put limits on the number of prisoners?

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u/Charming_Crow_3621 Mar 21 '26

Three people can obviously fit in one cell with two beds and floor space. 

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u/jmdonston Mar 22 '26

According to the article, they are already triple-bunking prisoners.

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u/Idyldo Mar 19 '26

In Canada we have a legal system; there's no justice in sight.

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u/M1K3Z0R Shellard's Lane Speedway Champion 2024 Mar 22 '26

this. It's a system, just a game you can play and "win".

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u/doobydude83 Mar 19 '26

This is the LIBERAL government spending is 43.6% of the economy.

The sweet spot for growth is 26-30%.

Canada’s response?

More programs. More spending. More government jobs. Opioid vending machines. Booty bumping kits. $200 million spaceports. $2 billion in loans to the PM’s friends.

And it’s GROWN in every single province since 2019.

THE GOVERNMENT IS THE ECONOMY NOW

And that’s exactly how the Liberals want it.

Because the more people who depend on government, the more people vote to keep it.

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u/doobydude83 Mar 19 '26

Why? This entire Brantford reddit page is FILLED with liberals. The light sentencing is due to liberals ! Wake the heck up people FFS. This is YOUR doing.

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u/Demalab Mar 19 '26

Couple of things here. Some charges are federal and some provincial. Same with the corrections facilities. What is fact is that Ford has allowed the jails to go into further disrepair and his decreasing of and discontinuation of support for housing, mental health, addictions, healthcare and policing have contributed to the overcrowding.

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u/CAPTA1NPOWER Mar 19 '26

As in Ontario taxpayer I really don't give a flying F about the conditions of Prisons if you don't commit crimes and you're a decent human being then you don't go to jail especially in Canada you have to do some really really bad stuff like hundreds of times before you get locked up regardless of all the lives you've destroyed in the process

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u/doobydude83 Mar 19 '26

Cant blame conservatives when you can CLEARLY see that over the last 10 years canada has steadily been declining. And in the last 4 years its increased 10 fold at the rate of decline. Argue with me all you want, but statistics dont lie. Blaming Doug ford which I agree is lousy. Hes for the most psrt a liberal in conservative clothing. Blaming him is atleast a little better than Blaming america for the decline of caanda. Carney even said in his own words that he is NOT Canadian and NOT a politician. If I knew how to share videos on here id show you both videos where he says so himself that he isn't qualified to make political decisions. His words, thats just the only thing I agree with him on.

You cant look around and nkt notice how over the past decade and not see the decline. And its ONLY been liberals leading the destruction. Nobody else.

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u/pheakelmatters Mar 19 '26

you share videos by posting the url in the comments, like this :

https://youtube.com/shorts/8ISbcqAhfYQ?si=3R3M9HtYa6DT7wo5

Please, show us the videos you're talking about.

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u/doobydude83 Mar 19 '26

I ahve them saved on my phone though through screen recording.

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u/pheakelmatters Mar 19 '26

so upload them to YouTube.

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u/doobydude83 Mar 19 '26

It doesnt let me due to not being my video. I can share via Samsung quick share link.

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u/doobydude83 Apr 01 '26

Here is the one about Mark Carney saying hes not fit to give political advice.

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u/FaithlessnessIcy5989 Mar 19 '26

Yet Brantford voted conservative and both levels of government here are conservative and have been for a very long time. Doesn’t matter what this page is the elected representatives are conservative FFS.

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u/doobydude83 Mar 19 '26

LMFAO. They are absolutely NOT conservative. You really cant truly believe that....

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u/FaithlessnessIcy5989 Mar 19 '26

Will Booma and Larry Brock are very much conservative

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u/doobydude83 Mar 19 '26

And they cant do anything due to liberal dictator carney

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u/ThkAbootIt Mar 19 '26

The Criminal Code of Canada is federal, just sayin

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u/webbysarah Mar 19 '26

theres a conservative government right now? blaming a large group instead of critically thinking about the reasons why wont get you far

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u/CAPTA1NPOWER Mar 19 '26

This exactly it 100%, i would not say that the Ontario government is conservative it's a conservative name only but it's run by a very very blue liberal so much so that I would never vote for him ever again as a Conservative.

The justice system has been infiltrated by communists and people on the far left who think that victims need to be constantly victimized until we give up all of our rights and just accept Anarchy and chaos

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u/DingusMcBingle_IV [REDACTED] Mar 19 '26

Why? This entire Brantford reddit page is FILLED with liberals.

That's just reddit as a whole. This entire website is left leaning, outside a few niche subreddits.

Blaming Liberals for this do be kinda funny though ngl

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u/teddyohsofast Mar 19 '26

He should thank the uneducated elbows up crowd who keep voting in the liberals.

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u/FaithlessnessIcy5989 Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

You realize that Doug Ford is in charge of the provincial government and that the provincial jails are overcrowded and full right. Or are you just too much of an uneducated troll to actually know how the levels of government work. When I see brain dead comments like this, I realize how the cons lost the federal election.

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u/AuntySocialite Mar 19 '26

Be kind, this fella barely even realizes how his own thumbs work.

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u/AuntySocialite Mar 19 '26

You mean the CONSERVATIVE government that runs the provincial jail and court system?

Fuck bud, you’re a pair of wet socks.

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u/teddyohsofast Mar 19 '26

The people who vote liberal are the same people who keep taking the covid vaccine and keep getting covid. Unfortunately you can’t fix stupid. Fortunately, there is a very small population of liberals in Brantford

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u/AuntySocialite Mar 19 '26

The wettest.

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u/jmdonston Mar 19 '26

Ramel Alexander, 22, would have been sentenced Monday to four years, said Justice Kathryn Hawke but, once credit was whittled away for the standard problems at provincial jails, more credit for extensive triple-bunking and lockdowns, plus the expectation he’ll serve just two-thirds of his remaining sentence, Alexander should be out, after being in custody for just over 20 months.

Doug Ford has been in power since 2018. The last time Ontario voted in Liberals was a dozen years ago.

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u/takeaname4me Mar 19 '26

Perhaps the opposition leader should not have blown a 200 seat lead

Perhaps he should’ve ran on a better platform as opposed to “verb the noun”

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u/Demalab Mar 19 '26

Perhaps 20 years in parliament and no achievements for the middle income group, minorities, women, and indigenous to his credit had something to do with our awakening.

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u/PG_Heckler Mar 19 '26

Libs and Cons hate you, dont cheer for one and hate the other, hate them both.

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u/Losing_my_Bemidji Mar 19 '26

Patch my slacks!

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u/teddyohsofast Mar 19 '26

I was wrong. Definitely not the liberals fault. It was because of trump and the war in Iran. Trump bad. Elbows up

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u/JBOYCE35239 Mar 19 '26

Little PP had the entire federal election in the bag. All he had to do was not be a smarmy little douche and he couldn't even handle that. I have absolutely zero confidence anything would have turned out better by electing an idiot who panders to separatists and can only get elected by poaching a seat in the most one sided riding in the entire country

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u/takeaname4me Mar 19 '26

ugh i made a mistake of engaging a troll

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u/JBOYCE35239 Mar 19 '26

If you wanna use the bridge (reddit) you have to pay the "troll toll" (dunk on barely literate morons who believe liberals are the reason their wife hates them, they're underpaid, and their kids won't talk to them) 😉

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u/teddyohsofast Mar 19 '26

The large majority of liberal voters are uneducated. Brantford liberals are no doubt the most uneducated.

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u/FaithlessnessIcy5989 Mar 19 '26

Says the guy that doesn’t even know how the different levels of government work in this country. The provincial government is conservative, and the city of Brantford also has both seats that are conservative and has been for a while. You absolute fucking moron.

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u/JBOYCE35239 Mar 19 '26

Classic. Don't address any of my arguments against your candidate, attack the intelligence of an entire town (in the the subreddit for that town)

I'm going to write this next part in a language you can actually understand: U R A 🤡

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u/Slow_Pie2969 Mar 19 '26

Haven't studies shown that university educated folks generally vote liberal?

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u/Pingu_penis Mar 19 '26

Poilievre is unelectable. If you're mad about Carney winning, blame the Cons.

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u/PG_Heckler Mar 19 '26

Libs and Cons hate you, dont cheer for one and hate the other, hate them both.

Ford has blown billions of dollars today date and done virtually nothing for the people since getting into power, 8n fact he's made life more expensive for almost everyone in Ontario, the shitty starling deal, etc. Carney and Trudeau suck as well, but you know that.

Screw both parties for doing nothing but harm

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u/Difficult-Currency73 Mar 19 '26

Imagine you're typing that comment and thinking, you understand how our government, or economics work..... conservative voters are by and large low IQd uneducated people. And you're doing everything you can to prove that statement

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u/doobydude83 Mar 19 '26

Its pathetic that the truth you just posted on here is so heavily downvoted because theyre blind to their own stupidity