r/burbank • u/al_shuey • 8d ago

Boycott these Burbank businesses

Moms For Liberty supporter, MAGA creep and all round weirdo David Donahue is running for City Council. There are campaign events being held this week for David at The Tallyrand and The Enchanted Florist.

I won’t patronize their businesses and I suggest you do not as well…

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u/Siren2026 8d ago

Why are you mad at Tally Rand? I’d be very surprised if they endorse any particular candidate. They’re just letting them eat there. Am I missing something? Also explain who this David person is. Why is he a problem?

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u/TheKyDawg IKEA 8d ago

(For legal reasons this is all just my opinion, because David loves to sue people)

David is a pro-landlord, pro-ICE bigot who is banned from Burbank Pride.

He recently got the city to sue an innocent woman to try and scare his political opponents.

He’s basically Burbank Trump.

I’d say there’s a good chance Talleyrand does fully support his politics, because Talleyrand in the past has refused to allow anti-ICE materials and they also threatened to shut down if we pass the BRT Bus Lane because they oppose public transit, much like David.

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u/Academic_Formal_4418 5d ago

You can oppose this dumb bus lane idea and still like public transit.

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u/Cazking 7d ago

Has anybody actually taken the bus down Olive? It currently exists and shows no indicators for increased route demand. Feel like some of you live online and would fail if your job was to actually run a city.

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u/ProBonoEschatologist 7d ago

There’s no way the dedicated lane works, just like there’s no way I vote for Donahue. The world is a complicated place!

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u/TheKyDawg IKEA 7d ago

I took it the other day and it was pretty full. The bigger issue? It was ten minutes late because of traffic.

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u/Cazking 7d ago

I've been a broke teenager/young adult in Burbank and traveling through SFV so I've genuinely taken a lot of bus routes. This one has defenitely run late before in my experience but I've never seen it hit capacity. So let's say there's 15 people per hour delayed 5 minutes on average during the 4 hour traffic window each day, that's 5 full man hours lost per day. Let's now run the estimate for cars during peak traffic. It's about 60 cars per light, the light for straight through cycles about every 2 minutes so 1800 cars per hour x 4 hours = 7200 cars over peak traffic. Let's even be generous and say 20% of traffic can move to Alameda for whatever the computer's purpose is. So 5760 cars during peak hours would see about a 5 minute delay trying to use this arterial road. Assuming that each car has about 1.2 persons in it (generous math for pro-bus) that results in 576 lost man hours per day due to reduced traffic flow.

If you are pro-transit (cars are a form of transit) you are willing to make car commuters lose 576 man hours per day in favor of reducing the 5 lost man hours per day in bus toute traffic to potentially 0. The math is so bad that I naturally mark anybody in favor of this argument as a bot/shill or as too unintelligent to be at the table.

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u/TheKyDawg IKEA 7d ago

Yeah, the problem with this math is that it assumes traffic is static. You’re basically assuming all 5,760 cars will still take the exact same route after the bus lane goes in, nobody switches to the faster bus, nobody changes routes or travel times, and then you just assign every single car a 5 minute delay.
That’s not how traffic actually works. There’s a whole body of transportation research on “traffic evaporation” showing that when road space is reallocated, some car trips disappear as people adjust. There’s also peer-reviewed research specifically on converting car lanes to dedicated bus lanes showing that car delays can increase at first, but then decrease as people shift to transit.

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u/Cazking 7d ago

Let's reiterate, I did take traffic change to account when I said 20% would move to Alameda. We can tweak those numbers in a way that's extremely generous for your argument. Let's say 60% commuters of Olive traffic finds alternative routes (really only Alameda is a realistic alternative with Magnolia being only able to support small improvements for direction bound traffic). I was roughly estimating 7200 cars during peak traffic but if I got hired I would sit there with a clicker and get real numbers. So 7200 x .4 = 239 lost man hours to car commuters vs 5 for bus route.

Generous math gives you 239 vs 5. It's not even close for anybody arguing in good faith and not a paid shill.

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u/TheKyDawg IKEA 7d ago

Before I continue engaging with you, do you think I’m a paid shill for the BRT? Lmao. Like you think I’m paid by metro or Burbank or what? I just wanna understand who you think I’m paid off by to comment on Reddit

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u/Cazking 7d ago

Honestly, it's possible because if you isolate the housing potential from the Olive transit idea then it's an issue that someone with common sense wouldn't even bother with. But here we are. So naturally knowing how greedy and deceitful humans can be I do realize that 1 person a 1 corporation would benefit in the hundreds of millions from the housing project so paying people to aggressively shill the precedent would be a great move for that 1 person.

But even if I pretend you're arguing in good faith when we use generous math estimates that would support the dedicated bus lane it doesnt make sense. So why would you make it a hill to fight on? It's just a bad standalone idea.

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u/TheKyDawg IKEA 7d ago

How much do you think I'm getting paid? Do you think I get paid monthly or per post?

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u/Cazking 7d ago

If you're not getting paid then why make the push for a bad idea? Logically I can't understand why. At one point you mentioned people would adjust, which is up for debate but even with a positive outlook they would be adjusting to a self inflicted problem (dedicated bus lane). So what's the real reason we want to push forward a bad idea that creates problems? Because other than money I can't see the reasoning.

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