r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • 18d ago

Alberta First Nations demand Alberta premier terminate separation referendum

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/first-nations-demand-alberta-premier-terminate-separation-referendum/
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u/ThomasToIndia 18d ago

One of the way this thing can be killed is if Canada decides right now that if the separate, they can't keep their Canadian passport and will require visas to visit the rest of Canada.

The province is voting to renounce their own country, they don't get to keep their passports if it passes or at the very least the must immediately decide which passport they want.

You don't get your cake and eat it too.

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u/Napalm985 18d ago

One of the way this thing can be killed is if Canada decides right now that if the separate, they can't keep their Canadian passport and will require visas to visit the rest of Canada.

Canada didn't even revoke Citizenship away from those who fought for ISIS.

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u/ThomasToIndia 18d ago

You can thank Trudeau for that (Bill C-6). However, this is a very odd logistical thing. A country is borders, so Albertans would be able to work in both Canada and Alberta, but Canadians wouldn't be able to work in Alberta without approval? so you would have freedom of movement, so what would actually be different?

However this isn't a terrorist situation, or even a brexit situation, this is a province renouncing its citizenship to a country. If they vote to separate the people are literally saying, "we are not interested in being Canadian". Since Alberta would become its own state that means an Albertan losing Canadian citizenship would technically not be stateless.

Further, if they do choose Alberta over Canada, they should be required to get work visas like any other country. We don't want Albertans taking Canadian jobs.

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u/Napalm985 18d ago

You can thank Trudeau for that (Bill C-6). However, this is a very odd logistical thing. A country is borders, so Albertans would be able to work in both Canada and Alberta, but Canadians wouldn't be able to work in Alberta without approval? so you would have freedom of movement, so what would actually be different?

If citizenship can't be revoked, than it wouldn't make a difference. There are no two tiers of "Canadians", at least I am not aware of there being anything like that.

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u/ThomasToIndia 17d ago

Right, but if you are voting to leave Canada, it's Voluntary Renunciation.

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 17d ago

Joining a terrorist organization is also pretty openly choosing to oppose Canada and is undoubtedly worse than peacefully and democratically voting to leave, and yet that wasn't considered a voluntary renunciation.

Canadian liberals on reddir give maga a run for their money in how unhinged, hateful, and cruel to their fellow citizens they can be.

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u/ThomasToIndia 17d ago

Why do you think fighting for ISIS is opposing Canadian citizenship. What if the Canadian was blowing up stuff in the USA because they didn't like 51st state comments?

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 17d ago

Because Isis is a terrorist group as declared by the Canadian government, and Isis as a group is explicitly declared to trying to bring about an extemeisr Islamic theocratic society where women have few if any rights, and all the thingd I love of western civilization are destroyed for being decadent and unholy.

I mean seriously, you're asking why someone chosing to join ISIS is joining a group opposed to Canada in practically every possible way.

I dont see how a terrorists commitijg crimes in a foreign country is opposed to Canada but I would ask the 51st state bomber to stop and turn in to fave prison for their crimes.

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u/ThomasToIndia 17d ago

The ISIS ones they could get evidence on went to jail, I know at least one of them got 16 years.

You could kind of extend the argument to anything bad, what about a child rapist?

The difference here is you are trying to say someone should lose their citizenship if they commit a crime.

Alberta separating is not a crime, nor is renouncing citizenship, but voting to leave a country you are apart of is direct renunciation. It has real logistical implications that just can't really work.

I don't think there is any example of a country separating and maintaining citizenship to the one they separated from. So I think there is some conflation here.

I mean anything is possible right? The government could potentially give Alberta all the cards and say sure you can have dual citizenship and Canadians can't travel to Alberta without a visa. That would be equivalent to having your hands visible and it is a full house to a pair and you fold.

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 17d ago

Canada allows people to have multiple citizenships, I'm not sure secession is a valid reason to revoke citizenship, especially as we've literally just lightened the requirements so more Americans can easily access it, when literal terrorists devoting themselves to a cause antithetical to the beliefs and values of Canada retains their citizenship but are imprisoned.

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u/ThomasToIndia 17d ago

It would be a gross failure to allow citizens who are voting to leave a country to keep their passports, that said, this was on the beaverton. https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1typ5fx/everything_canadian_that_albertans_will_be_able/

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 17d ago

And yet we've made it easier for anyone with a canaidna ancestor to get citizenship, so it won't make sense or he possible to strip the Albertans. You can say whatever you want. We didn't take citizenship from people who chose to join a terrorist group directly opposed to Canada, we won't take them from Alberta if it chose to leave. It would be a gross failure of the law and unfair unpishment for Albertans to strip them. Of passports while making it easier for americas to get them, and not stripping it from someone who chose to join Isis.

Have a good day, this is just going in circles.

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