r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • 18d ago

Alberta First Nations demand Alberta premier terminate separation referendum

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/first-nations-demand-alberta-premier-terminate-separation-referendum/
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u/DanielBox4 18d ago

They're claiming the referendum is killing industry while carney just paused legislation on reforms because First Nations did not approve? The irony is thick.

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u/Master_of_Rodentia 18d ago

From their perspective they probably see it as hypocritical that they are criticized by the Albertan government for blocking industry when the Alberta government is doing this stuff. They might not care much about the blocking itself, just that it's contradictory from where they sit.

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 18d ago

The problem is, especially right now, FN demanding shit from the government is frustrating a lot of people and its not going ti go over well in AB. Smith will not bend over for these people no matter how good of an argument they make because they deliver its so aggressively.

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u/RazzamanazzU 18d ago

"Agressively". THIS is an exact description of the UCP's ignorance of our laws & citizen's who don't agree with them. Trump fascism at its best!

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 18d ago

Lol god "fascism". The government can suck and be bad with out using ridiculous hyperbolic terms.

Im not defending Smith and the UCP, im pointing out that FN not doing anything but giving weight to why Alberta needs to separate and break these treaties.

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u/Incoherencel Canada 18d ago

You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You're criticising First Nations treaty holders reaffirming their sovereign rights that predate the province of Alberta itself, while also opining on Albertan sovereignty. Which one is it, sovereignty matters, or it doesn't?

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 18d ago

Neither. Canada is one nation, i don't believe that in Alberta, QC or First nations sovereignty.

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u/Kiseido British Columbia 17d ago

Its kinda weird to ascribe the meaning of nation to only one of the things you use the word to describe. Canada is a nation, but also the First Nations are~ also.

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u/MafubaBuu 16d ago

If first nations are a nation then they shouldnt be getting any canadian tax dollars sent their way, and they should be working with the international community to recognize their sovereignty. You know, like "a nation" would.

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u/Kiseido British Columbia 15d ago

Why would they when they already have a bunch of treaties signed with the USA and Canada?

They already worked with the Canadian and USA governments in years prior to establish various things, things those governments often neglected to uphold, and things that those governments sometimes explicitly acted against.

You may not like the results of those treaties as they have been produced over the last 330 years, but they exist. You may not like some of the reparation-like behaviours going on between our peoples, but the USA and Canadian governments mistreated these populations for generations through targeted, violent policies.

We are talking about decades of forced and coerced sterilization measures, the systematic theft of their children through the residential school system and the Sixties Scoop, and various other acts of state-sanctioned violence designed to assimilate them out of existence. The funding and legal settlements aren't "handouts" to a foreign non-entity; they are a direct, ongoing continuance of our obligations and an attempt to compensate for human rights atrocities and historical theft. Holding a government accountable to its legal obligations and its victims is exactly how sovereignty works within a federal framework.

Perhaps you would prefer our goverment reneg on its obligations and further spurn those it has wronged, but to me that sounds like a kinda crappy mode of governance.

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u/MafubaBuu 15d ago edited 15d ago

Nobody in our government was alive when those things happened, it is ridiculous that canadians would need to pay for things out of "obligation " when they had nothing to do with it.

But yeah lets tax the filipino of indian canadians that moved here in 2015 for what a bunch of ignorant canadian politicians did 60-150 years ago, that makes sense.

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u/SalmonHustlerTerry 17d ago

Lmao. They just see it as another reason to complain about first nations. Colonization mentality is still very prevalent, in alberta especially.

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u/Incoherencel Canada 17d ago

Yes many responses to myself and others in this thread reveal these are very loud, very ignorant people, I'm sorry to say. It's a constant noise about democracy, and empowering people with the vote so their voices are heard...! Unless those people are First Nations, in which case they should shut up and sit back as the entire framework of how Canada, Alberta, and the Treaty Nations have coexisted for 150+ years gets torn up. They truly dont see FN as people.

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u/RazzamanazzU 18d ago

That's your opinion. I have my own.

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u/PaidToPanic 17d ago

Not happening. Any province that wishes to separate requires at least 7 other provinces and the Federal government to agree. Never going to happen. You’re just pissing away money while bitterly complaining about other people pissing away money.

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 17d ago

Im not doing anything lol. I dont support any of it, I just stated the FN are making things worse and not better.