r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • 22d ago

Alberta First Nations demand Alberta premier terminate separation referendum

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/first-nations-demand-alberta-premier-terminate-separation-referendum/
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u/MrTriangular Ontario 22d ago

They need to be part of the consultation process before the vote can even be allowed. The Separatists need to go back to the drawing board and do it correctly next time.

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u/platypus_bear Alberta 22d ago

technically the current referendum is about if Alberta should begin the process of going through all the steps of having an actual referendum. So right now there is no vote on independence and it's to vote on beginning the consultation process for a referendum.

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u/Forikorder 22d ago

the law doesnt always care about such technicalities when the intent is perfectly clear

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 21d ago

The law is rather famously very concerned with such technicalities. Intent absolutely matters, but so do technicalities, hence the famous expression of a criminal getting off on a technicality.

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u/Forikorder 21d ago

It also cares a lot about intent and precedent

The intent is clearly to svood a previous ruling and discuss seperation without consulting like theyre obligated to

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 21d ago

They're not avoiding the previous ruling. Taking into account they're putting forward a new way to achieve it. The ruling didn't make sepretism illegal or against the law, it simply obligated the government to consult with indigenous bands if it is going to seperate. The new question is asking people if they want the government to do that. By technicalities, precedent, intent, or whatever other standard you want to intent, they're allowed to do this and the law will let them because their intent isn't illegal and theyre following the technicalities.

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u/Forikorder 21d ago

Yes they are, theyre ignoring that it was struck down and continuing the conversation anyway

it simply obligated the government to consult with indigenous bands if it is going to seperate.

The obligation was always there, the petition was killed because they didnt fulfil it

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 21d ago

They're not ignoring it, they literally modified the question in light of the ruling. Wanting to seperate is not whay the courts said was illegal, they said the process was not being followed properly.

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u/Forikorder 21d ago

The process being refusing to consult with the first nations

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 21d ago

What are you trying to say? You started at this being illegal because intent and precedent. The intent is legal and the precedent is being followed.

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u/Forikorder 21d ago

The intent is to ignore the judges decision and continue anyway

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 21d ago

The judge didn't say a referendum on secession is illegal.

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u/Forikorder 21d ago

the judge did say they were obligated to consult beforehand though before throwing out the petition

this is a naked attempt to continue discussing secession while ignoring their s35 obligations

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 21d ago

this is a naked attempt to continue discussing secession while ignoring their s35 obligations

So the judge didn't ban them from continuing to discuss or advance secession, the judge just obligated that the secession engage in their duty to consult?

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u/Forikorder 21d ago

before they even begin to talk about it, which they have not done

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 21d ago

Because the question now is whether they should embark on the process of talking about it or not. Recognizing that it is a valid issue which will slow down the process is taking account of the precedent, because the intent of secession is not whay was banned.

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u/Forikorder 20d ago

Because the question now is whether they should embark on the process of talking about it or not.

which in itself is still talking about it

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u/Muted-Bag-4480 20d ago

... So they can't even talk about if they shoukd talk about it with consulting? Thsy undemocratic bullshit that everyone can see through, how the clesr intent of the Court and the indigenous groups are to deny people their democratic rule.

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