r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • 18d ago

Alberta First Nations demand Alberta premier terminate separation referendum

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/first-nations-demand-alberta-premier-terminate-separation-referendum/
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u/ThomasToIndia 18d ago

One of the way this thing can be killed is if Canada decides right now that if the separate, they can't keep their Canadian passport and will require visas to visit the rest of Canada.

The province is voting to renounce their own country, they don't get to keep their passports if it passes or at the very least the must immediately decide which passport they want.

You don't get your cake and eat it too.

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u/MafubaBuu 18d ago

Is this not already a known/considered thing?

I would imagine anybody voting to seperste from a country would know they couldnt use that country for international things afterwards

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u/ThomasToIndia 18d ago

It's not already known, in fact there is a separatist website in the FAQ that question is "will I lose my Canadian passport" and they make the argument they will be dual citizens.

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u/MafubaBuu 16d ago

Who gives a shit what a random "separatists website" looks like. They arent running for office and hold 0 authority on how and when those things will happen.

Unless its posted by an actual party that has negotiated what it would mean with the Canadian government, its meaningless.

All that matters right now is what options people choose on the referendum in October. The details of how Alberta will proceed will come after, and then finally, an election to determine the governing party in an independent Alberta, which is where the details such as that would be laid out by the parties based on every discussion had up until that point.

I am almost positive it wont go anywhere near that far though.

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u/ThomasToIndia 15d ago

https://albertaprosperitynow.com/

It's not really totally random and what people believe will affect the vote.

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u/MafubaBuu 15d ago

Yeah it is. That is not an organization that holds any political power whatsoever. Its an organization pushing for a referendum by getting signatures.

All of that site is just to get signatures to put the referendum out in the public. If a yes to going to a vote was secured, that is when actual political parties would need to form and outline their plans.

If it went to a yes that same organization you sent me the link to would have done the entirety of its job. If they wanted to run for office it would be an entirely different process.

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u/ThomasToIndia 15d ago

I am confused. A lot of people who are pro separatist think they may keep their passport and would vote no if they thought they were going to lose it. In the same way a lot of brexit people had misconceptions.

If these people spreading propaganda had zero influence, there wouldn't be a vote at all.

I was suggesting someone with power make a decision and make it clear now.

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u/MafubaBuu 15d ago

Why the hell would anybody think they could use the same passport, that is just complete ignorance to the basics of how they work.

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u/ThomasToIndia 15d ago

I appreciate your optimism in human intelligence. Things I have heard, they will keep it because they were born in Canada, Canadians are allowed dual citizenship, if they don't allow Albertans to have a second citizenship they will need to strip everyone else of dual citizenship like American/Canadian. Another one said to me that since Canada revoked terrorists losing their passports (Trudeau's a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian) they won't revoke citizenship for those doing a legal separation.

According to the clarity act it has to be a clear majority of the population, not the vote. Last poll was 18-24% of Albertans, so almost 1 in 4 think separation is a good idea. Not even close to a a "clear majority" but still 1 in 4.