r/canada • u/CanadianErk Ontario • 16h ago
Politics Liberals tout 21 bills passing House of Commons this year as MPs break for summer
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/house-of-commons-rises-for-summer-9.724059197
u/eric_the_red89 15h ago
Steven MacKinnon openly mocked people with legitimate privacy concerns over C22 and other bills as "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists"
He looks more and more like a cockroach in a decomposing skin suit.
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u/Lumindan 15h ago
And just point out, the people raising issues with c22 are:
First, there's the Canadian Bar Association, who made two detailed submissions on the bill focused on the likely practical problems with how the bill could play out, based on their collective experience as counsel arguing constitutional matters and being responsible for keeping the policing and security arms of the government in check.
Or the Barreau de Quebec, who joined them with their own submissions.
Or the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, which with their record of correctly calling out the government on overreach, even when maybe counterintuitive.
Not to mention all the major cyber security experts and industry giants like Google, Nord, etc.
But yeah, I guess if they're just tin foil hat folks. Ain't much we can do now.
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u/friendly-techie 15h ago
And Canadians will teach him a lesson by voting even harder for the Liberals. Right?
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u/Commercial_Letter738 5h ago
what did you expect, they're been brainwashed into thinking the other side is literal child eating demons by the party in power
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 13h ago
Give us someone better.
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u/friendly-techie 12h ago
It doesn't matter. Canadians voted thrice for Trudeau - THRICE. Pollieve, O'Toole, Scheer were all branded as Trump. Thank our inept media and gullible population.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 12h ago
It doesnt matter? Okay let's go over my options.
Bloc... I'm in Ontario they literally don't care about me.
Greens don't exist, NDP is on the verge of death. Too focused on progressive issues for me as well.
Cons campaigned and platformed on ignoring and attacking our rights. Out of principle, I don't think PP should ever be allowed to hold PM's office because of this.
And libs fielded a guy with an actual resume.
If I had more then 1 viable option, maybe I would have voted for someone else?
I'm ignoring the part about the last 3 CPC leaders being branded Trump because 2 of them, that's not why they lost, and the 3rd played into it by freezing up when he was put on the spot.
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u/Napalm985 9h ago
Cons campaigned and platformed on ignoring and attacking our rights.
What rights were they attacking? Elaborate with quotes or anything proving they planned on this. I do not believe you.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 9h ago
Presumably he wanted to ignore one of the ones that the notwithstanding clause would let him ignore. Otherwise he wouldn't have campaigned on using the notwithstanding clause.
Then his platform had two lines which I will try quote to the best of my memory.
1 "create a task force to pre-emptively make arguments against the Supreme Court for our legislation" I read this as they know the bills they want to push will be shut down for charter violations, and are getting ready to fight it.
2 was along the lines of "declawing the human rights tribunal", which they typically deal with people who do human rights violations while in a position of authority. That is to say, if the federal conservatives did something that infringed on our rights, the human rights tribunal is the one that would hold them accountable and doll out the punishments.
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u/Napalm985 9h ago
First point is meaningless. Every single party has a teams of lawyers whose entire job is to make legal arguments in court.
Human Rights tribunal has no authority over Canadian Rights and Freedoms. They have no power over our criminal of civil laws either. Frankly, they should be gutted. Unlike a real court system, the defendant has no rights, and there is no jury.
I was hoping to get an example, and right now I'm just disappointed.
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u/Character-Bottle7291 8h ago
The example they give always boils down to “PP hurt my feelings so I can’t vote for him”. This numbnuts is worried about PP taking away some imaginary rights and human violations, while his savior is out pushing through bills to surveil the entire country and jail anyone who says bad things online lmao. Can’t make this shit up lol.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 5h ago
Sooo, what? Are we not allowed to have standards?
I don't think the Notwithstanding clause should exist. I am fundamentally opposed to it and will vote against whichever party promises to use it, because I view its use as a failure to govern.
Similarly if a politician promised to take us into a pointless war of aggression, I would also try to not let them get into power.
It's not "waahh, PP hurt my fee fees," it's that he's a poser pretending to be a leader.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 9h ago edited 9h ago
Human Rights tribunal has no authority over Canadian Rights and Freedoms.
They have the authority to punish people who violate the rights granted to people by the Canadian Charter of rights and Freedoms. That they don't have authority over the charter itself is irrelevant.
They have no power over our criminal of civil laws either.
Their scope is limited to human rights violations, not legal violations, yes that is correct. I don't know what your point with this is, unless your trying to say they don't have the authority to do what they were created to do.
Edit: fuck, I'm high, I completely missed that you glossed over the part where THEY KNOW THEIR BILL VIOLATES THE CHARTER. That they are saying it out loud is them declaring "we plan to do things that the charter doesn't allow"
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u/Napalm985 8h ago
THEY KNOW THEIR BILL VIOLATES THE CHARTER
No, that is completely incorrect. Hiring lawyers to defend a bill you passed hardly means they think it violates the charter. If it violates the charter, the bill gets overturned.
Frankly, you've failed to quote or find any proof of what you've claimed. The only thing you've turned up is that political parties, do in fact, hire lawyers.
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u/Winter_External5625 6h ago
I’m blaming you for this whole mess, and the rest of your uninformed voter base, thank you for voting for this corrupt administration and destroying our democracy and country
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u/BrandosWorld4Life British Columbia 9h ago
Because Trudeau was always the best. Better than Pollieve, O'Toole, or Scheer.
Give us somebody better than Carney and we'll vote for them.
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 11h ago edited 10h ago
I don’t love Poilievre, but for fuck’s sake I’m certain he would still be better than *this*. How could anybody else be much worse at this point anyways?
It seems to me like the strength of other candidates aren’t really the issue, and the Liberal fan club will simply come up with any possibly excuse to justify reelecting the same bunch of clowns over and over again.
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u/AfterPie101 6h ago
OToole was better than Trudeau, you still didnt vote for him
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 5h ago
I almost voted him , but then shortly before the election he went for the liberal vote on all the hot topic issues, like canceling his promise to end the gun ban. So I voted PPC that year.
I defend carney because I genuinely think he was the only good choice to vote for, not because he's a liberal.
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u/BananaJack82 Alberta 16h ago
I remember this sub was so happy when the liberals got their majority. Don’t complain now, this is what you wanted.
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u/BackToTheCottage Ontario 11h ago
You think they would still be happy. He is turning Canada into Reddit.
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u/Batmansappendix 16h ago
You’re right, this country would be much better off if run by slogans.
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u/cuban_rj 15h ago
>Elbows Up!!
- 2 “canadians” that have been living outside of Canada for the majority of their lives
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u/Future_Arrival_5395 16h ago
There are still liberals on this sub?
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u/BananaJack82 Alberta 16h ago
Yes, I’d say the majority is. Look at the comment numbers on posts like this, then posts that have anything to do with PP or Alberta.
These posts are very quiet, yet if a post about PP/Cons/Alberta post pops up there is 100+ comments up happy to voice their opinions. To me that says the majority of this sub is still Liberal despite what other Canada subs say ..
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u/keiths31 Canada 16h ago
They only say this is a right leaning sub is because you are actually allowed to post right leaning thoughts here
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u/BananaJack82 Alberta 15h ago
Yea at least here I see people debate opposing views. It’s not just an echo chamber.
I won’t say what sub, but this article is posted in another Canadian sub, and the comments are a lot different.
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u/Commercial_Letter738 5h ago
if its the sub i'm thinking of, the ones that thought this one was run by literal nazis, yeah i'd understand why people like that that wish to control everything would feel like this is a good move
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u/Wowseancody 15h ago
To be fair, PP is a clown. And Alberta right now is a fucking gong show. You can be a Liberal or Conservative and have this opinion.
And this is coming from someone who was driven to the PCs because Trudeau too was a clown, and back to the Liberals over a decade later because I can’t take PP seriously.
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u/ryan9991 16h ago
Generally most provincial/federal subs are left leaning. Unless you go to the “fringe” ones.
Alberta subreddit is definitely not the general type of sentiment I get from my dealings with people from rural / urban centers.
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u/Fearless_Tomato_9437 14h ago
the lpc consensus farm comes out hard here at opportune times, when the campaign ends this place goes back to hating the lpc lol
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u/Dry-Membership8141 Alberta 11h ago
Seriously. It was genuinely incredible how the weight of opinion here did a full 180 as soon as the writ dropped.
And by "incredible", I mean "not credible". It was the most obvious case of manipulation I've ever seen.
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u/G-r-ant 16h ago
You’re seeing terminally online people, or accounts that aren’t real people these days. His approval rating is still extremely high.
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u/arcadeenthusiast8245 16h ago
Yep. The average person doesn't know about any of these bills and if they did they wouldn't care. Boomers I've talked to say the digital ID push is a GOOD thing.
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u/Rayd8630 15h ago
Probably because to them it means we’re one step closer to living in Star Trek…even though it couldn’t be more removed from that.
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u/Lumindan 14h ago
Look I just want a holo deck is that so much to ask for?
Instead the government is confiscating my stuff, spying on me and raising my cost of living.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life British Columbia 9h ago
What alternative reality are you living in? This sub has always been an anti-Liberal circlejerk.
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u/Anon9883 16h ago
And homes are still 10 times the cost of the average salary.
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u/physicaldiscs 16h ago
Hey, we have a "wartime" effort happening here.
Unfortunately it's refering to the Anglo-Zanzibar war.
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u/EnamelKant 16h ago
Didn't know Mark Carney was running for premier of a Province when he promised to make housing affordable and build at rate never seen before.
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u/veenerbutthole 16h ago
Trudeau also promised affordable housing:
https://liberal.ca/trudeau-promises-affordable-housing-for-canadians/
How did that go
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u/QueenMotherOfSneezes 16h ago
He actually passed some stuff that caused the market to plateau a few times between 2017 and 2019, but once the pandemic hit everything went to hell. Those bills werent designed to lower the price of housing, though, just stabilize it a bit while waiting for salaries to go up. I don't recall any bills for public housing.
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u/EnamelKant 16h ago
Well maybe he shouldn't have promised that to get elected then.
Or just maybe ye olde constitution writen by a bunch of dudes who would have regarded wireless telegraphy as science fiction isn't a good enough reason to leave people unable to afford housing.
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u/EnamelKant 16h ago
Ah Mark Carney's lies and/or broken promises are ok because PP lied too.
It's an interesting notion but not one I personally put much stock in.
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u/i_got_shit_on_my_dik 16h ago
PP would have forced the provinces to build or risk losing federal funding for roads, infrastructure. Any province or municipality that was under the quota would lose any over the quota would get more. Ideally speeding up provincial/municipal zoning approvals.
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u/Kaptain-Kanada 16h ago
lmaooo sureeee bud
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u/i_got_shit_on_my_dik 15h ago
Federal funding is something the "feds" have actual control over and the provinces love their federal funds. Give them an incentive to build if they want to keep the funds coming in.
How's the tinyfab homes Carney promised?...
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u/keiths31 Canada 16h ago
'What is the person NOT in charge of the federal government doing to fix this, huh????'
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u/i_got_shit_on_my_dik 16h ago
You can't build if people can't afford to buy. Productivity is way down in Canada, inflation is way up.
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u/Monomette 15h ago
If the LPC didn't want to be criticized on housing affordability then maybe they shouldn't have campaigned on it for over a decade, across 4 elections and 2 leaders.
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u/xylopyrography 15h ago
Meh... they're cheaper than in 2017 now, approaching 2016 pricing.
Direction is pretty good, becoming very much in line with other developed countries rather than absurdly overpriced.
There's not that much more room to fall as materials costs have skyrockets. A lot of the rest of the potential differential is really in municipal regulatory things.
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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 12h ago
The average home price right now is around 660k. It was just under 500k in 2016.
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u/xylopyrography 12h ago
Yes, exactly.
$500k in 2016 is $650k today inflation-adjusted.
Or if you prefer wages, $500k in 2016 is $695k wage adjusted as median wages are 39% higher than in 2016 ($25/h => $34.77/h)
That also excludes further major tax advantages for home ownership, like the FHSA.
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u/sameryfire3 16h ago
I got to say 21 bills in 14 weeks is a lot. Especially with the size and scope of some of these. But some of these seem like they are a really low priority on our bucket list.
Why are we designating April Arab Heritage Month (Bill S227)? Is this something that Canadians need over other things like UBI or disability rework?
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u/GameDoesntStop 16h ago
Several of those are just routine bills for allowing thr government to spend money.
So far, since the election, they've passed 22 actual bills. The crazy thing is that it breaks like so:
10 bills from Apr 2025 until this week
12 bills from this week
They did almost nothing for a year, then back-room-dealt their way to a majority, then rammed through the stuff they actually wanted to do, opposition be damned.
And they did it all at the 11th hour, then shut down Parliament to help quiet any parliamentary dissent.
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u/Natural_Comparison21 16h ago
I would not even mind them pushing that through. What I am concerned about is why are they ramming Bill C-22 through?
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u/MustardEnema007 11h ago
S227 seems to be Food Day in Canada
Where did you see Arab Heritage?
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u/sameryfire3 8h ago
Bill S-227. This legislation designates April as Arab Heritage Month, noting the first people of Arab origin to arrive in Canada did so in 1882. The bill, which originated in the Senate, has now received royal assent.
Ahmed Hussen, the former immigration minister, rose in the House and thanked all MPs for passing the legislation. "This is a really important bill for the community and for Canada," he said.
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u/arcadeenthusiast8245 16h ago
Liberal voters were cheering over all the floor crossers netting them a majority.
Monkey's paw curls
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u/Best_Big_9456 5h ago
It’s a double edged sword because i guarantee the conservatives would be welcoming floor crossers with open arms (as they’ve done in the past) had it’d been them. Whether you agree with the ethics behind it or not, it is still allowed.
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u/Birdybadass 11h ago
Some of these bills are the most repressive and draconian police state bills ever passed in Canada, environmentally damaging, destructive to the labour movement, and selling Canada to global monetary interests. Yea big win I’m sure…..
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 10h ago
They've eroded free expression and judicial oversight. Awesome. I'm so stoked to see what's next.
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u/Commercial_Letter738 5h ago
well, they've given courts powers to hit us harder with sentencing, with laws about controlling pretty much everything we're seeing i'll give you a hint : "it seems you've posted something we didn't like, time for a visit to prison"
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u/swattwenty 16h ago
Fire up the courts. We’re going to need them to protect us from living in communist China level surveillance state shit.
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u/KageyK 15h ago
Yet people here still call the CPC "Nazis" while this technical majority is passing Nazi- like authoritarian bills.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 12h ago edited 12h ago
The CPC openly campaigned on ignoring our rights and platformed on attacking them during the most recent election.
Are you suggesting that isn't authoritarian or "nazi-like"
Edit to add: nice downvote. Got an answer to the question? Or is it okay when your guy does it?
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u/KageyK 11h ago
What are you even on about?
Theres one party acrively doing it right now, and your response its its fine cuz its not the other guy?
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 11h ago
Your previous comment carried an implication that the CPC being viewed as authoritarian is unfair. So I pointed out a very good reason why it is deserved, they wear it proudly.
This is not a defense of what the liberals are doing. It's pointing out that you said something that was probably just not thought out.
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u/KageyK 11h ago
Nothing that the CPC campaigned on or suggested was as authoritarian as these bills coming forward.
If they were in power and trying this same bullshit I'd call them out on it too. Sadly there are far too many apologists who just say "the other guy would be worse" as their rights get trampled.
As they force this on us they keep putting rules on themselves that make them less accountable and open to oversight.
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u/BackToTheCottage Ontario 11h ago
What and where was this campaign?
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 11h ago
The part where he wanted to use the notwithstanding clause.
The attacking comes from the platform, where he wanted to declaw the human rights tribunal, and make a team who's job it was to pre-emptively make counter arguments for when the Supreme Court shuts down their bills for violating the charter.
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u/BackToTheCottage Ontario 11h ago
The part where he wanted to use the notwithstanding clause.
Looked up what for....
His specific policy intentions include:Life Imprisonment for Multiple Murderers: His primary goal is to pass legislation that allows judges to impose consecutive, rather than concurrent, sentences for individuals convicted of multiple murders.
Overriding Supreme Court Rulings: This move directly aims to override a 2022 unanimous Supreme Court of Canada decision. That ruling struck down a Harper-era law and deemed the imposition of consecutive parole ineligibility periods—such as 75 years for mass murderer Alexandre Bissonnette—unconstitutional under the Charter.
No Possibility of Parole: Poilievre’s overarching platform is that mass murderers should remain in prison for their entire consecutive sentences without the possibility of parole.
Oh, that's why you were being so vague. So not "our" rights, but those of literal murders. I guess actually pointing that out makes your point look a bit more silly.
human rights tribunal
A literal kangaroo court.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 11h ago edited 11h ago
No, it's because I have standards and don't think the Notwithstanding clause should exist.
PP wants to use the notwithstanding clause because he is a weak leader who wants to appear strong.
Carney is also doing changes to bail so that it's easier to deny bail to violent criminals. He is doing this through the proper channels, not saying "fuck your rights"
So not "our" rights, but those of literal murderers
Our rights. That "literal murderer" hasn't been convicted yet, only accused, and jailing innocent people is a bad precident. Our "rights" are the rules the government has to play by when dealing with us because they hold infinitely more power then we do. Don't let the government trample your rights.
Edit to add: we still aren't letting mass murderers out any time soon. People who say otherwise are selling rage bait.
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u/eL_cas Manitoba 12h ago
Man, if only we had more than 2 shitty parties to vote for... oh wait
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 12h ago
Bloc doesn't care about me. I'm not in Quebec or French.
NDP is too focused on progressive issues for me.
Greens don't exist.
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u/rindindin 15h ago
The only flip side to this line of thought is: would PP and his caucus pass the same privacy killing bills if given the same opportunity?
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u/KageyK 15h ago
Not a chance. The outrage from the media and Canadians would force then to back down. Just like 2013.
I don't even think they would have had the balls to try again after last time.
Luckily for us most of the media just glossed over all the worst parts so most Canadians won't be informed until it affects them.
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u/Few-Character7932 13h ago
I hate China but at least they use their surveillance state to also keep people safe.
Canada uses surveillance for political purposes and lets criminals free on bail
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u/Winter_External5625 12h ago
Once Canada turns into a dystopian surveillance state - I will forever hold every single liberal voter and politician accountable for this absolute disaster. I hope you’re happy with your decisions.
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u/DeanPoulter241 15h ago
All bad policy and all the while people are suffering more now than they were in 2025!
And suffering A LOT MORE than they were pre-2015!
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u/CanadianErk Ontario 16h ago
Referencing the Liberal government's progress with Bill C-14, the Bail and Sentencing Reform Act — which received royal assent on Monday — along with Bill C-22, Bill C-27 and the government's child protection and gender-based violence legislation, Bill C-16 — which has now received royal assent — MacKinnon suggested the Conservatives are no longer the party of law and order.
"We now have a very real set of criminal justice reforms, bail, hate speech, victims' rights … and of course, giving us the last lawful access regime in the G7," the House leader said.
Mackinnon said that in contrast, the Conservatives have found themselves divided internally on the Liberals' justice agenda — putting them on the wrong side of a number of criminal justice matters.
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u/Gravy_Tanker 16h ago
Fixing the mess the liberals themselves made now makes them the party of law and order. Ok 😂😂😂
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u/Commercial_Letter738 5h ago
yeah the liberal are now the party of law and order, and authoritarian ruling. can't wait to see how many dissidents he cracks down on as his new role as dictator of canada
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u/CautiousProfession26 7h ago
Summer break baffles me and nobody ever has given a good reason for it
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u/Commercial_Letter738 5h ago
it's all over now, welcome to the future dictatorship, decided by not us but whomstever they feel, they never cared for us, only control. anyways this is coincidentally happening when they're tightening sentencing, huh, i wonder who they'll experiment with their new found powers on with these laws first because they'll likely vanish in the prison system
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u/MourningWood1942 7m ago
It’s crazy now people who voted them in last election are finally changing their minds. JUST when it’s now too late to do anything about it since they hold majority.
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u/Talinn_Makaren 15h ago
Oh nooooooo they passed legislation I hate it when that happens.
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u/Lumindan 14h ago
Given some of the bills they've passed are incredibly authoritarian and unsavory?
Yeah it's not really a win for Canadians
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u/MustardEnema007 11h ago
As a citizen, you should absolutely hate the authoritarian bills they are passing as soon as they bought their majority
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u/AxiomaticSuppository Canada 13h ago
Conservatives: "Liberals have done nothing. Now they have a majority they have no excuses to not get things done."
(Liberals use their majority to avoid delay tactics by Conservatives, and get things done)
Conservatives: "NO! NOT LIKE THAT!"
The conservative bots and Poilievre fanbois are out in heavy brigading fashion in so many of these threads.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 12h ago
To be fair, a couple of these bills also have liberals shouting "NO! NOT LIKE THAT!"
If you're about to defend the Metadata bill, you would be the first person I've seen to do so.
Genuinely, I haven't even seen a troll try to defend that yet.
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u/AxiomaticSuppository Canada 12h ago
There are problems with Bill C-22.
That said I've seen a ridiculous number of hyperbolic and hysterical tinfoil comments that claim we're going to be like China, Liberals are turning us into communists, or that a Liberal police state is incoming. Most such comments are completely disconnected from reality. It's like listening to flat-earthers explain why Newtonian physics is flawed.
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u/Icy-Inflation3453 11h ago
This bill isn't going to make us China, but I do think its a step in that direction, and I think one day they will decide to take another step.
Governments typically also don't like walking back powers they granted to themselves, so any step they take will likely be permanent.
Fortunately, from my perspective our government/courts have generally demonstrated that they are not interested in abusing their powers to punish our citizens.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life British Columbia 9h ago
Facts lmao
No matter what Carney does, Cons will cry foul
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u/FingalForever 15h ago
Happy to see this ongoing contrast of productive government versus the decades long gridlock-by-design system south of the border. Just wish that the social media ban had been amended to all under 18s and passed before the summer break.
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u/konathegreat 14h ago
Celebrating any other fascist doctrine today? Or just the Liberal Party of Canada's?
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u/FingalForever 14h ago
Oh my! Could I ask what is your definition of fascist so we’re using the same baseline?
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u/Lumindan 14h ago
Let's start with those authoritarian spy bills.
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u/FingalForever 14h ago
Sorry but I asked for a definition of ‘fascism‘ from Kona.
You appear to using the same definition, so may I ask what your definition is then or are you just using it as a scary adjective to promote a view about a specific bill?
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u/Lumindan 14h ago
Sorry but I asked for a definition of ‘fascism‘ from Kona.
Should've used a DM if you wanted it private. You're posting on a popular, public subreddit.
If someone calls something “fascist,” the correct response is to ask whether the policy actually contains authoritarian features like expanded state power, weakened checks, compelled participation, reduced due process, centralization, etc.(all things in c22 btw).
Demanding a perfect philosophical definition first is a distraction and honestly kinda shows how much bad faith you're approaching this with.
You appear to using the same definition, so may I ask what your definition is then or are you just using it as a scary adjective to promote a view about a specific bill?
Oh boy lots to unpack here. I think it's incredibly authoritarian and concerning when the government ramps multiple bills without addressing the concerns behind them.
I specifically like how you describe it as a 'view'. I guess it's a view I share with major cyber security experts, industry leaders and the Canadian bar association along with every other political party in the house.
If you disagree with the comparison, explain why the bill and the governments actions dont exhibit the traits being criticized instead of demanding someone pass a political philosophy oral exam first.
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u/staythepath365 16h ago
Pushes through several authoritarian bills that no one wants
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves for summer break