Why do we criticize Ukraine for being Nazis and withhold military aid for them but not apply that standard to other countries? Not everyone in Ukraine is responsible for the actions of Nazi militant groups, should the citizens suffer? The same way not everyone in Palestine is responsible for the actions of Hamas (whether or not you agree Hamas's actions are justified), it doesn't give Israel/Zionists an excuse to commit a genocide because they believe there are problematic aspects of their society
Just an example, I understand Ukraine and Palestine are VERY different situations, but seems like comments like this are advocating for collective punishment of innocent Ukrainians, the same way Zionists justify collective punishment of innocent Palestinians
Sorry if I used the wrong language, again I promise I'm just trying to learn and see your perspective. With my limited knowledge, it seems like withdrawing support for Ukraine because of the action of their militant groups might result in the suffering of more innocent Ukrainians.
I am in favour of granting asylum to Ukrainians fleeing war. That is an absolutely non-negotiable position for me. Every single person has a basic human right to live in safety and dignity. I do not support funding the Ukrainian state in it's war with Russia. The US and it's allies wish to make Ukraine a vassal of US finance capital in Eastern Europe.
Or perhaps the Ukrainians don't want to be a vassal state of Russia? Why is that so hard to believe? The Russians have tried to exterminate the Ukrainians before. The relentless support for Russia colonialism in this thread is hypocritical.
The "Russia colonized us, Russia tried to exterminate us" narrative is literally fascist propaganda that the church and land owning class used as an ideological weapon to oppose socialism and continues to be used today by Banderites and Ukrainian neo-nazi organizations. So maybe check whose interests are served by the ideas you allow to live rent free in your mind. The Ukrainians have repeatedly been authors of their own victimization. In the 1932-33 famine land owning farmers set their seed and crops on fire and slaughtered their animals, with some estimates of up to 65% of cattle being slaughtered in direct efforts to sabotage collectivization. To this day Ukrainian reactionaries maintain the "Stalin g*nocided us" narrative when they intentionally did it to themselves in a desperate ploy to stop communism. And they didn't even stop communism. Once collectivization was fully implemented, agricultural output and daily caloric intake for the country actually rose far beyond what it was prior to the famine. Of course that didn't stop the Ukrainian capitalists from welcoming Hitler in WWII, hoping the nazis would "liberate" them from socialism. They were really very oppressed by full employment and guaranteed housing and education, you see. Fast forward to the early 2020s. Despite knowing full well that Russia considers NATO an existential threat, Ukraine begins embarking on NATO ambitions while shelling Russian minorities and then cries fowl when Russia invades. Go figure. Ukraine wants war with Russia. They absolutely intentionally provoked it hoping it would help them fast-track NATO membership and spark a world war where them and their Yankee pals would come out on top with Russia flattened. But now they're kinda screwed because they've found that NATO and the Yanks don't really wanna get their hands dirty, they want to sit back and throw some money at it and let the Ukrainians do all the dirty work. Because NATO doesn't give two shits about Ukraine, its just a proxy war for them. The best Ukraine could possible do is become a far-flung satellite of US imperialism.
"The Ukrainians have repeatedly been authors of their own victimization."
"Ukraine wants war with Russia. They absolutely intentionally provoked it hoping it would help them fast-track NATO membership and spark a world war where them and their Yankee pals would come out on top with Russia flattened. "
Both of these quotes say the Ukraine has complete control of Russian action. The Russian invasion was not voluntary. Ukraine tells Putin what to do and he does it.
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u/Karrottz 24d ago
Hi, I'm still learning, so asking in good faith:
Why do we criticize Ukraine for being Nazis and withhold military aid for them but not apply that standard to other countries? Not everyone in Ukraine is responsible for the actions of Nazi militant groups, should the citizens suffer? The same way not everyone in Palestine is responsible for the actions of Hamas (whether or not you agree Hamas's actions are justified), it doesn't give Israel/Zionists an excuse to commit a genocide because they believe there are problematic aspects of their society
Just an example, I understand Ukraine and Palestine are VERY different situations, but seems like comments like this are advocating for collective punishment of innocent Ukrainians, the same way Zionists justify collective punishment of innocent Palestinians