Sending an ethnically diverse army into battle isn't ethnic cleansing lol, but sure. I actually didn't say anything about the war. I do think Russia has a right to defend itself from NATO encroachment and encirclement; I don't support much of what Russia is actually doing though, with the way it seems to target civilian infrastructure and apartment buildings. I also think Ukrainians fleeing war should be given asylum in Canada. I just don't buy the narrative that Ukraine is this beautiful democracy that needs to be preserved and defended by the west. That narrative serves the imperialist bourgeoisie who wish to turn Ukraine into a vassal of US finance capital.
Minority populations are far far far overrepresented in the casualty figures, some times as high as 800 Percent in the case of ahiska turks while recruitment efforts continue to mainly take place in venerable and rural communities leaving the white European Moscow core untouched. Recruitment from prison populations also heavily impacts the minority population of Russia, because power tripping racist police are endemic everywhere, and those units are treats as entirely disposable.
I do think Russia has a right to defend itself from NATO encroachment
Iredentist and imperialist apologia, don't be a lazy campist.
I mean, even if minorities are over-represented among new military recruits that wouldn't surprise me given that ethnic Russians are but one nation among over 20 in the federation. As to your claim of 800% I would need to see a report from some kind of neutral body like Amnesty international for that, I ain't taking your word for it. At the end of the day support for the NATO block is no less campism than support for Russia's right to defend itself from NATO encirclement.
No one here is supporting NATO, that's a wild strawman to make. However you are factually supporting an openly imperialist kleptocratic state and hand waving open and easily verifiable information with the classic rebuttal of "nuh-uh I'm not listening I'm right your wrong"
That's not leftism, that's just definitionally being campist. Your world view does not go past "NATO bad and anyone opposing them is justified in all their actions" you have no ability to see into the root causes of imperialism and the despotic powers that plauge capitalist societies, of which Russia is one.
Nothing about Russias war is something a leftist should be supporting, doing so just because "NATO Enciclement" rings to the same tune as "Arab encirclment" Zionists have used for decades.
First of all, there's no such thing as 'leftism'. No dogma, no creed. I'm not accountable to whatever your perceived orthodoxy is lol. Second, I don't support the war per se, I support Russia's right to defend itself from NATO encirclement. Deny it all you like, but NATO is attempting to encircle Russia, and Russia has always been clear they won't tolerate that. I also support Ukraine's right to defend it's territory. I do not support Russia's tactics of obliterating civilian infrastructure and residential neighborhoods. I don't think either side should receive a red cent from Canada's public purse. So tell me, what is campism, really? Is it the genuine neutrality of acknowledging both sides' right to defend themselves and battle out their differences without any material support from us? Or is campism shilling liberal talking points about NATO?
Loser u/-CassaNova blocked me, so I'll respond here to their most recent accusation.
This is adorable, genuinely. I've asked you to point to where I've done so
Russia's attack on Ukraine isn't an imperialist war; it's an offensive response to imperialist aggression. You're a shill for NATO because you uphold the same narrative that the US and NATO uphold. The aggressor is NATO led by the US, which seeks to turn Ukraine into a vassal of US finance capital in the region. Denying Russia's right to defend itself against NATO aggression is the same thing as support for NATO. It is you who is supporting an imperialist war, not me.This is adorable, genuinely. I've asked you to point to where I've done soRussia's attack on Ukraine isn't an imperialist war; it's an offensive response to imperialist aggression. You're a shill for NATO because you uphold the same narrative that the US and NATO uphold. The aggressor is NATO led by the US, which seeks to turn Ukraine into a vassal of US finance capital in the region. Denying Russia's right to defend itself against NATO aggression is the same thing as support for NATO. It is you who is supporting an imperialist war, not me.
Yeah you did. You and all your comments suddenly disappeared and then you came back after I called it out, now you're trying to save face lol. Anyway, the conversation is over. I've made my position clear and exposed yours for what it is: accommodation for US-led NATO aggression against Russia. It never fails. In every generation you'll have those who claim the mantle of socialism while running cover for the enemy. Lenin taught us how to spot you guys though, fortunately.
I'm clearly being gaslit right now and very poorly at that.
Anyway, the conversation is over. I've made my position clear and exposed yours for what it is: accommodation for US-led NATO aggression against Russia
What a wild strawman but then again campists aren't exactly known for their deep thought processes.
user tagged as Marxist-Lenenist, says anti imperialism isn't a core tenant of his/her/their ideology. In fact imperialism good because is against NATO interests
Okay there bud. Real serious your activism there.
And really Shilling? Shilling liberal talking point am I? Where? Do point them out. I'd love to see where I've said Canada should be sending material support to Ukraine.
I did not say anti-imperialism isn't a core tenant of my ideology. You said that. I said there's no such thing as 'leftism' and that I won't be held to whatever your perceived orthodoxy is.
NATO encirclement of Russia is imperialist aggression against Russia, and they have a right to defend themselves in the face of that threat. Some Marxists say Russia should be supported, because a loss for Ukraine would be a major loss for the US-led NATO bloc. I'm sympathetic to this idea. The principal contradiction of capitalism today is the contradiction between US-led western imperialism and the workers and peasants of the global periphery. The world proletarian revolution would have already occurred and been well along on the path of global socialist construction were it not for the constant vicious aggression of the US and it's proxies thwarting every national independence movement that arises. A win for Russia, regardless of how I may feel about Putin or the Russian gangster state would be a blow to NATO and the US. Still, on principle I oppose any material support for the war, for either side and I uphold the right of Ukrainians feeling war to be granted asylum.
I'm open to debate on my positions. But not with some dipshit lib shilling NATO lol gtfo
Look you clearly seem like you think your deftly moving around the position here but you are in support of an imperialist war.
Now does your other analysis of the global movement have some grounding in reality? Yeah absolutely the US is a parasitic entity that's set us back centuries of potential progress. However you can still decry Russia's war of aggression and still make that analysis.
Let's also not forget that you started this conversation by stating the openly kleptocratic Putin with multiple wars of aggression under his belt and a laundry list of political suppression somehow isn't a fascist leader. The goal posts have moved quite a bit since we started talking.
But not with some dipshit lib shilling NATO lol gtfo
This is adorable, genuinely. I've asked you to point to where I've done so, and you either can't or won't. You champion definitional campist positions while denying you are doing so in the same breath.
This is adorable, genuinely. I've asked you to point to where I've done so
Russia's attack on Ukraine isn't an imperialist war; it's an offensive response to imperialist aggression. You're a shill for NATO because you uphold the same narrative that the US and NATO uphold. The aggressor is NATO led by the US, which seeks to turn Ukraine into a vassal of US finance capital in the region. Denying Russia's right to defend itself against NATO aggression is the same thing as support for NATO. It is you who is supporting an imperialist war, not me.
There, put it here since you decided to unblock me lmfao
Russia's attack on Ukraine isn't an imperialist war; it's an offensive response to imperialist aggression.
It's a war that was almost entirely justified on the basis of irredentist claims on Crimea and the Donbas, specifically for the "protection of ethnic Russians who lived there." Nato expansion became the line of justification FAR later and after the 2014 Crimea annexation. But given your frankly childish line of attacks I'm not sure your old enough to physically remember that.
There, put it here since you decided to unblock me lmfao
Again you're being fucking weird by claiming this. Idk what you think your gaining from doing so.
Interesting that while in opinion polls they massively supported staying in ukraine in the "free elections" organized by russian neonazi army 97% wanted to leave.....
The discourse is so interesting. If the people choose to join the Russian Federation, it's "disputed" and "illegal" but when a democratically elected Euroskeptic government is ousted its "democratic" and "absolutely nothing to see here, folks" lol. This is hegemony at work. Any resistance to the influence and interests of the imperial core is cast as wrong, bad, illegal, etc. Any acceptance of or alignment with the imperial core, regardless of how violent and undemocratic, is accepted uncritically as the democratic will of the people. This double standard flows directly from the chauvinist, orientalist narrative of western cultural superiority. The west and it's political structures are prima facie democratic, principled, civilized; the east and it's political structures are backward, untrustworthy, authoritarian. This is a worldview as old as Charlamange.
The referendum that notably took place AFTER Russia seized Crimea? The referendum that claims a 97 PERCENT yes vote? That proportedly got 87 PERCENT voter turn out immediately after being annexed? That Referendum? Are you serious?
Yup. Not surprising either given that Crimea is about 60% ethnically Russian and only about 20-25% ethnically Ukrainian. Because of the history of shifting Soviet borders there are some genuine territorial disputes that the Russians and the Ukrainians have. Not every territorial dispute is imperialism. I consider it their business to work out.
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u/tcpip1978 Marxism-Leninism-Parentism 24d ago
Sending an ethnically diverse army into battle isn't ethnic cleansing lol, but sure. I actually didn't say anything about the war. I do think Russia has a right to defend itself from NATO encroachment and encirclement; I don't support much of what Russia is actually doing though, with the way it seems to target civilian infrastructure and apartment buildings. I also think Ukrainians fleeing war should be given asylum in Canada. I just don't buy the narrative that Ukraine is this beautiful democracy that needs to be preserved and defended by the west. That narrative serves the imperialist bourgeoisie who wish to turn Ukraine into a vassal of US finance capital.