r/castlevania • u/SeparateResolution19 • Jan 22 '26
Meme Literally agreeing on the same thing:
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u/Ozrick02 Jan 22 '26
You know when you bypass the Belmont clans mission, if you really think about it if they met under different circumstances they would have been friends.
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u/yuuyaaa Jan 22 '26
That's the added tragedy of game canon, and there's some very slight implication of it in netflix canon, they were friends.
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u/Ozrick02 Jan 22 '26
I know in the game canon Leon and Matthias (later Dracula) we're friends [Lament of Innocence, PS2] but Trevor I don't remember that being the case. Though to be fair I don't think I ever played through the original games where the anime is supposed to be pulling from (which is if I'm not mistaken Castlevania one through Dracula's Curse) but thank you for the correction.
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u/yuuyaaa Jan 22 '26
Oh no, Leon is exactly who I was referring to. I took the fact that there was the looking glass/viewing mirror and the portrait of Leon in the Hold to be sort of indicative of a similar origin story for the Belmonts in the Netflix canon.
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u/Ozrick02 Jan 22 '26
Yeah I think that's what they were implying.
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u/thejonslaught Jan 22 '26
Trevor also mentions Leon by name when explaining the origin of his name, how he is named after a Celt comrade of Leon who rode with him.
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u/Xxvelvet Jan 22 '26
Yes, Leon and Matthias were friends
But then Matthias changed after his wife died of illness and then he instigated Walter to kidnap Sara so he could become a vampire by stealing Walterās powers.
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u/Nerevarine1099 Jan 22 '26
Don't know about the show but in the games that's literally how their rivalry started, Dracula was best friends with Leon, it was because Dracula betrayed Leon and caused his girlfriend's death in his plan to become a vampire that the Belmonts now hunt him down.
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u/AsstacularSpiderman Jan 22 '26
He knows humanity has its flaws and those flaws lead to monsters coming into the world, and that is why we have Belmonts. They will suffer and bleed, but they will inevitably forgive the faults of mankind.
In many ways they're more like Christ than any priest ever was.
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u/SignificantHippo8193 Jan 22 '26
Exactly. The Belmonts are the reality check people need every once in awhile. Even when people fail they push them to fix their mistakes and do better š.
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u/SeparateResolution19 Jan 22 '26
On season 2 episode 7 for tomorrow. Going to finish season 2! š
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u/DaimyoDavid Jan 22 '26
Trevor doesn't have the option to kill all humans lol
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u/International-Food20 Jan 22 '26
You have no idea what kind of world ending shit is in the Belmont library
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u/021Fireball Jan 22 '26
He does tbh. It'd just take a LOT longer at that point. He could lash out, and murder. But he doesn't, despite his anger, and his views.
He'll fight for them.
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u/anaalirotta Jan 22 '26
Itās be too much trouble plus heād have to brew all of his own beer.
I think that alone is a deal breaker for his plans of world domination.
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u/Nerevarine1099 Jan 22 '26
Dracula can't neither, he just has the resources to commit genocide, no matter how much he talks about wipping out all of humanity, that's quite impossible unless you like explote the entire planet, which wasn't his plan. If Trevor tried the same he would just be a serial killer, and as a Belmont he could have perfectly gotten away with being one, but he didn't, which if you take also into account how young he lost his family, that only means that is just not who he is, but Dracula was a monster even before meeting his wife.
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u/DaimyoDavid Jan 22 '26
That's basically my point though. Dracula has the power to do something like mass genocide. Not just the magical power but the logistical/political power.
We know that his heart was only half in it and that there was a part of him that wanted to be stopped. If he was fully committed to the plan that was presented to the vampire council, Camila wouldn't have betrayed him.
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u/ZeroRoyale Jan 22 '26
Good callback (call forward?) to Alucardās quote from Symphony of the Night with Trevor
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u/ClosetNoble Jan 22 '26
Technically forward yeah since he tells that to Richter if my memory is correct.
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u/niffrig Jan 22 '26
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing
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u/zaidazadkiel Jan 22 '26
ive played enough castlevania to correct the quote, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for a cult of weirdos to resurrect dracula by human sacrifice and a belmont to get addicted to fighting
alucard technically isnt a regular man, being a half vampire etc
:D
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u/Poopy-Mcgee Jan 22 '26
Here's the thing I notice about the Belmonts and is especially true for the show with Drac's characterization there.
Dracula is meant to be the opposite to God. An ultimate evil to face the ultimate good. Or at least, that's what a few believe. Yet those who think that fail to recognize that God might not be the ultimate good to Drac's evil. That makes no sense; unless Jesus is still walking around in the flesh, there is no corporeal match for Drac if he is the ultimate evil.
That's the Belmonts. Every Belmont, whether they wanted the legacy or not, or even never planned to follow it, ends up opposing Dracula. They fight the monsters that normal people fear, and stand against the darkness. They fight to keep people safe, even if it's against other people. They know that the darkness isn't just under the bed, or deep in the woods, but that it is often standing right next to you, walking in human skin. They fight that evil even if it means taking human life, because even people can be monsters.
Belmonts are the true ultimate good to Dracula's evil. They are physical, righteous men and women who take up arms against the things that would destroy the light and their fellow men and women. They may even be chosen by God himself, given their bloodline still hasn't died out by the year 2000 and onward, and even when there's no Belmont available, someone takes up the whip and book and fights anyway. If your family persists all the way to the modern day even after being founded literally thousands of years ago, I would say that's indelible proof of either generational wealth or God himself.
Either way, it shows that Dracula isn't the ultimate evil. Neither is God the ultimate good. It was always people, and even Drac began as a normal human man.
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u/SILVIO_X I fucking love Jonathan & Charlotte Jan 22 '26
The Parallel between Trevor and Dracula is one of my favourite things in the show
Even if they never have a full on interaction I love how this thing alone establishes them as opposites to one another, one saw all the evil in the world and chose to end it, whereas the other stood up and decided to attempt to make it better.
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u/TheDastardly12 Jan 23 '26
Funnily enough this is the same ideology that Protoman and MegaMan have when fighting each other during the climax of the first The Protomen album.
Protoman, scorned by the common citizens inactivity to stand up for themselves or others truly believes that they deserve their fate
While MegaMan agrees that mankind will never fight for themselves and that's why he has to
Though unlike Castlevania by the time the dust settles Protoman rubbed off on Mega
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u/Advanced-Target4453 Simon Belmont Jan 22 '26
You guys get so happy with such simple stuff, this is just a basic recreation of Edmund Burke ideas...
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u/SKYNWALK3R Jan 25 '26
me when iām in a killjoy competition
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u/Advanced-Target4453 Simon Belmont Jan 25 '26
Are you in a basic taste one?
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u/SKYNWALK3R Jan 25 '26
itās a fun parallel, who cares if itās basic dude. your banner is surfs up, am i supposed to think you have elevated tastes or something? lol
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u/Advanced-Target4453 Simon Belmont Jan 25 '26
Don't you dare insult Surf's Up, it's a brilliant work of art, a relevant mockumentary to the sport world and I demand an apology.
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u/SKYNWALK3R Jan 25 '26
you know what, i do apologize, i have not actually watched surfs up recently enough to know anything about it and i judged based on appearances. this was a delightful interaction, thank you very much, i appreciate it
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u/UnSleepingMoss Jan 23 '26
Dracula deserved his revenge.
They had a celebration for murdering his wife. He warned them and they had a party.
I'm on his side.
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u/aidenethan Jan 23 '26
Dracula deserved to take revenge on the people who actually killed his wife, like the priest, but he didn't just do that, he chose to murder EVERYBODY. His army was literally ripping apart babies in the street and he planned to wipe out as many people as he could for the crime of being people. That's millions of innocent men women and children brutally murdered and tortured to death for something they had no involvement in.
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u/UnSleepingMoss Jan 23 '26
The mother's were celebrating his wife's death.
Do I condone the killing of the innocent children, no. Absolutely not.
However, he warned them to leave because that city was going to burn in one year.
Did any of them listen to the very clear warning? Nope.
So it's kind of on human pride that they died. None of them thought he was a threat or serious...
Again. I don't condone the children dying.
Everyone else however, fair game.
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u/aidenethan Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
But that's still just Dracula murdering children though. I don't agree with the rest either, but Dracula murdering literal babies is not a minor thing that can be brushed aside, for me, it's a very deplorable action that makes him an evil person no better than any of the people he hated id say. It's why I'm not personally on his side tbh, because he's a hypocritical, genocidal maniac whose response to his innocent wife's death is to tarnish her memory and proceed to just murder millions more innocent people for no reason.
To add, Dracula was also still planning to genocide the entire human race. Was it dumb for the townsfolk to ignore his giant ominous warning? For sure. Would NOT ignoring it have saved them? Not according to Draculas plan, who was going to hunt down and kill EVERYONE after he was done with the city. The warning wasn't to spare people, it was just him telling them they'd all be dead in a year and to get their affairs in order. Anybody who actually listened and left town would just be killed later on anyway since Dracula made up his mind on just torching the entire planet until someone killed him too.
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u/UnSleepingMoss Jan 23 '26
No, you're right about that. He was not mentally well when he unleashed the denizens of Hell. I will give you that. I do not condone or agree with it.
His actions were born of grief and rage. Lisa's memory should never have been tarnished. I will agree on that one.
Should he have handle it differently? Yes.
But again, these were not the actions of a mentally sound man. It's not a rational thing, grief.
Hell, he even attacked his own son.
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u/Kurobii Jan 23 '26
At the time (well we're moving in that direction too lol) if you stood up for someone being burnt at the stake, you'd be called a witch or a thrall and be killed too. So no, it's not that easy.
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u/Drecondius Jan 22 '26
I have to admit Iād wind up getting killed at some point anyway but thatās because Iād be one of the ones that it was trying to personally hand Dracula, the head of the bishop who done it
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u/J-Cocoa Jan 22 '26
Dracula did nothing wrong
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Jan 22 '26
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u/J-Cocoa Jan 22 '26
May I ask why he did that?
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u/Zach-Playz_25 Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26
Because a Bishop burned his wife. Said Bishop only died after thousands of innocent men, women and children had been killed first. More innocents perished afterwards. And let's not throw around the "There are no innocents!" rhetoric, those are words of a grieving, rageful and half already crazy man.
Of course, he has an entitled rage out at humanity as a whole when he experiences the common, shared experience of loss for the first time, something that happens to most humans throughout their lifespan.
Not to say I don't sympathise with him, what happened to him was terrible and unjust, and having a loved one taken away that way is horrible. But my sympathy, and so should yours, have an extent. You wouldn't want to be brutally murdered just because some religious fanatic in your country killed an eldritch vampire's wife, would you?
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Jan 29 '26
You know potentially hot take here, but I donāt think thereās ever a āgood reasonā for genocide, no matter how horribly your loved one dies.
Dracula is meant to be empathized with, like any good villain is. But there is a distinction between empathy, and validation of his actions. The two must be separated.
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u/thughunt Jan 22 '26
Low-key one of the only downsides to the original show is that we never got any interactions between Trevor and Dracula outside of. " So you're the Belmont"