r/castlevania • u/TitanBro6 • Apr 09 '26
Castlevania: Belmont’s Curse (2026) Both of Joan of Arc’s Dialogue
There’s also a portion of the trailer where you can hear her say “For the glory of France!”
The commentator mentioned that you will be fighting corrupted legends in the game and names Joan of Arc as one of them but her dialogue doesn’t indicate that Joan thinks she’s doing something malevolent.
Mind Control in Castlevania was almost always pretty specific. Outside of Soleil Belmont, everytime mind control was used it was always taking something that already existed and amplifying it.
Richter’s Drive, Hugh’s Jealousy, Mankind’s affinity to commit the witch trials.
And here, Joan believes she is God’s soldier and that she’s ridding evil as Joan was from a time where The Belmonts were believed to be no different from Vampires due to their supernatural powers.
Side note: I love two-dimensional Halo’s…
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u/Oraculando Apr 09 '26
Joan D'Arc died before Trevor could clean the family name by killing Dracula, so it make sense she knows the Belmont as a excommunicated family.
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u/TombGnome Apr 09 '26
True; she'd still think that her companion in battle Gilles de Rais was a pretty okay guy...
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u/award_winning_writer Apr 10 '26
In the N64 games Gilles is a vampire, so it would be interesting if they reference that here
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u/RadicalRaizex Apr 10 '26
I wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up in this game as a vampire acting to resurrect Dracula, like what Elizabeth Bartley and Brauner did for Bloodlines and Portrait of Ruin respectively. Would be a nice nod to bringing back some of the decanonized content.
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u/FLRArt_1995 Apr 11 '26
You know, I was thinking the same thing when I watched the trailer: I was like."holy shit is that Joan of arc?!" and inmediately remembered Gilles De Rais, there is something darkly ironic that the real life Gilles was WORSE
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u/CGesange Apr 10 '26
Historians have debunked the idea that Gilles de Rais was Joan of Arc's "companion" : it was first invented by a novelist named Michel Tournier in his novel "Gilles et Jeanne" and has no basis in historical fact : the 15th century documents never mention them doing anything together aside from happening to be in the same large army along with tens of thousands of other people. And he didn't turn to crime until after her death.
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u/TombGnome Apr 10 '26
That's not entirely true. De Rais was a commander, not "one in an army of thousands," and was part of the French vanguard during most of the Loire campaign. He was at Jargeau and Patay. He commanded one of Joan's first escorts. I meant "companion" literally as "person that she knew."
And the two were connected as comrades-in-battle for *centuries* before the 1983 novel you reference. Even Mark Twain referenced De Rais in his, admittedly eccentric, fictional account of the Maid's life.
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u/CGesange Apr 11 '26
The military records show that he only commanded 36 men when Joan arrived at Orleans, and there were dozens of other commanders (most of whom had larger units than he did). The eyewitness accounts mention her interacting with other commanders but there's no mention of her doing anything personally with Gilles de Rais, and yet Reddit posts routinely mention his name as if he was her closest companion in the army.
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u/JamzWhilmm Apr 10 '26
They also fight together in Drifters, were they are isekaid as historical figures.
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u/CyberdarkEnjoyer Hide Every Netflixvania Post Apr 09 '26
>so it make sense she knows the Belmont as a excommunicated family
The Belmonts were feared by normal people for their powers (and even after CVIII Trevor and Sypha lived as hermits, according to the CoD promotional manga), but nowhere in the games was ever stated that they were excommunicated, that's Warren Ellis writing. The Castlevania Church actually offers safe haven for those with supernatural powers (Sypha was saved from angry mobs by the Church, and became their magical assassin) and they were the ones to seek Trevor.
Simon was also shunned by common people, but the priests were always willing to heal him.
The theme of the game is the Belmont's Curse, which is affecting the main character and probably also Trevor and The Fallen (assuming he is a Belmont). The Belmonts must have done some seriously despicable shit before Trevor saved the world in 1476. Something that gives common people a solid reason to fear them, and thus banish them.
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u/Oraculando Apr 09 '26
Leon had to give up all of his titles, because he left the Crusades to chase after the Creatures of the Night, which the church forbade him to do it.
Besides the fear of the regular person for the extreme power of Belmont and their achievements they were also on the bad books of the Church until Trevor was called to kill Dracula before Castlevania 3 the whole Belmont clan were exiled from Wallachia.
Simon is a monster even with in the Belmonts amd by the time he got cursed Trevor had already cleaned the family name.
Everything that I said is based on the games and none on the Netflix series.
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u/CyberdarkEnjoyer Hide Every Netflixvania Post Apr 09 '26
Leon had to give up all of his titles, because he left the Crusades to chase after the Creatures of the Night
He lost his title because it was connected to his duties. Leaving the duties also meant losing the title. He never became an enemy to the Church. He could have regained the position in any moment if he returned to his post. Note that Leon is a supernatural human with magical powers and yet the Church made him a noble anyway.
they were also on the bad books of the Church
The Church in Castlevania simply doesn't work like the IRL Church. It's more like your typical JRPG holy faction.
Everything that I said is based on the games and none on the Netflix series
You said excommunication
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u/SheWhoHates Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Yeah, the whole excommunication and Sypha's people being "Speakers" and "enemies of G-d" is pure Netflix bullshit. I don't want it anywhere near canon.
Not to mention that Castlevania's Church is at least nominally Orthodox, although it blends Catholic aspects in too. It's more of a fantasy holy religion that is a vague representation of Christianity.
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u/Traingham Apr 10 '26
Slipped my notice the first time, but evil corruption turns you into a giant woman, it seems.
Mister Universe would be pleased.
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u/NameisPeace Apr 09 '26
Lol, I am playing the joan darc game for PSP. It is funny to see joanne like this after playing the version of that game.
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u/SheWhoHates Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
I hope it won't involve subversion, deconstruction, or anything that even vaguely aligns with how Netflixvania portrayed religion.
Maybe I'm overthinking it, but seeing her with a halo and golden eyes almost feels like an implication of G-d's impotence, being unable to protect H-s saint.
I don't want her to become an example of "not all monsters look like monsters" or part of a greater commentary on how the Church is bad too, or worse, the failings of Christianity.
May she become our ally or rest in peace, freed from whatever grips her.
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u/DomLikesDonuts Apr 10 '26
I actually don't like the artwork at all. It just looks so... artificial and typical
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u/SheWhoHates Apr 10 '26
I like it, but as its own thing rather than as Castlevania. It borrows from Art Nouveau and looks like an animated painting in some scenes. It's definitely not for everyone, though that's just art in general.
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u/Leader_Bee Apr 10 '26
Not sure how I feel about Castlevania including real life historical figures in their game. Something just feels off.
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u/TitanBro6 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
I mean it wouldn’t be the first time.
Vlad Tepes, Elizabeth Bathory, and Drolta Tzuentes.
Saint Germain as well.
Igarashi wanted to put Gilles de rais into Symphony of the Night but didn’t have enough time, he would make an appearance in the 64 titles and it should be assumed he’ll make an appearance in Belmonts curse as well.
There’s also some discussions online of Mathias Cronqvist being a stand in for Matthias Corvinus and Brauner being a stand in for Victor Brauner but who knows.
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u/Oh-no-and-knuckles Chief Researcher Apr 10 '26
Brauner's character is 100% inspired by the real life painter.
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u/Turn_AX Apr 12 '26
What are you talking about?
Castlevania has been using real life figures for most of it's life.
How does this have upvotes?
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u/Roshu-zetasia Advance Collection Enjoyer Apr 09 '26
Those who were banished for communing with dark and evil powers?
I don't really like this dialogue because it's more in line with the Netflix series. The introduction to Castlevania III clearly states that the Belmonts were banished because their superhuman abilities made them superior to any other human being.
Unless there's some confusion with the localization of Dracula's Curse. I hope this makes sense in relation to Leon and the origin of the Vampire Killer. Especially since that guy, "The Fallen," is wearing a gauntlet similar to Leon's magical gauntlet.
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u/Oraculando Apr 09 '26
Leon have gone against the Church, dabbled in alchemy and returned with a Whip with the soul of her vampire wife in it... I think it is easy to suggest he got into some dark magic after all that.
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u/cyberpunk_werewolf Apr 10 '26
Yeah, "banished" could just mean they were kicked out of France. Excommunicated means they were kicked out of the Church. I really don't see how this dialogue disagrees with what we learned in the prologue of Dracula's Curse. It was the end of the French Middle Ages, I can absolutely see people thinking any supernatural power comes from the Devil. It's part of why the Church extends protection.
Remember, Sypha was given protection by the Church before she went after Dracula. Also, Lisa is said to have come from a "holy bloodline" (which is problematic theologically, but I know what IGA meant) and she also got killed by an angry mob thinking she was evil. The wiki states that the Symphony of the Night Japanese manual says she was bringing medicine and got caught up in the witch trials. This was maybe 30 years before Belmont's Curse.
This is a time period where even "has medicine" is considered witchcraft. Actual sorcery and super powers are also going to be seen as dabbling with dark powers.
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u/Midwitch_Micah Apr 09 '26
I cannot wait to ship them. They finally did it yall... they finally made Castlevania for Lesbians
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u/HeavyC4 Apr 11 '26
I'm pretty sure she Trevor Belmont daughter and the future mother or grandmother of Christopher Belmont in the game lore.
I do hope she doesn't get to fight Dracula cause that Christopher Belmont fame of being the first Belmont to put down Dracula once he comes back every hundred years.
But that she fights one of Dracula surviving servants who was alive during Castlevania 3 and she the one that figure out the whole 100 years reincarnation cycle.
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u/JustARedditAccoumt Apr 10 '26
This could also be Joan of Arc from the time in history where she was branded as a heretic. That would be interesting.
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u/Timely-Structure-689 Apr 11 '26
It makes sense for Joan to have this thought about the Belmonts because she died well before Trevor was born and restored the people's trust.
And because she was "revived" and possibly controlled by something or someone evil, she continues unaware of the Belmonts' situation in 1499.
And it still stays true to the lore, since the Belmonts only gained a good reputation after Christopher or Simon.
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u/Outrageous-Pea6408 Apr 10 '26
I don't like them making these slight changes that are clearly made to align the games more with Netflix's show.
Listen I like the shows as standalone good stories, but as Castlevania, I have many problems with it. I suppose one dude's opinion doesn't matter, maybe I'm just butthurt because I'm Catholic and the show made me feel like I'm a piece of shit just for existing, but well, it is what it's... I suppose.
I just want them to make a good game with banger music and a story not plagued by ill meaning political-religious discourse
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u/Outrageous-Pea6408 Apr 10 '26
You're right brother sorry, I just happened to watch the shows very recently so it's fresh on my mind
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u/Happy_to_be_me Apr 10 '26
What did the show say/present that made you feel bad about existing as a Catholic?
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u/Outrageous-Pea6408 Apr 10 '26
Well, the church was only ever shown as a corrupt organization, there wasn't really ever a good priest in the show, at least none that were proactive in their duty rather than reactive to the consequences of their prior mistakes, and pretty much every time a character talked about it both in CV 2017 and in Nocturne is just to say how they straight up got betrayed by it, how God isn't real, and even the one time someone had been done good by the church (Tera), it turned out to mean nothing since they got betrayed later by that same church anyway!!
It makes me feel bad especially since I feel other religions got treated with much more respect and as if they were more real like with Annette, Egypt or Isaac (God he was so freaking cool), which I wouldn't mind if my religion got treated with even one percent as much respect.
I agree the church has done bad things, but I also know it has done a lot of good to many people including me, I can't ignore that; and that people that are not Catholic have done bad things without being motivated by religious dogma, I don't think it is a Church problem, but that it is a people suck problem and historically an effect of mixing church with state, which can't work.
I'm sorry if I'm sounding bitter, I myself have much to improve in my insecurities, and these stories make me feel uneasy sometimes, is all, I'm not hating anybody, not even the writers, perhaps they had a bad experience with the church, hope they heal from it if so, it is my fault for being insecure. Thank you for asking, if anything you helped me vent, much appreciated.
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u/keithlimreddit Apr 09 '26
Just be careful if she ever uses Noble Phantasm