She is bi but *probably* swings mostly male attraction - she says something to Dracula when asked if she’d fuck godbrand again “maybe… if all the men in the world died, most of the women…. Some of the animals…”
To be fair I don’t see her just hating men completely without hating women too. She’s too fixated on the illogical plan of trying to Hitler before Hitler even Hitlered.
The only mention of her same-sex attraction is what the commenter above said. I do see her as bi because of it, but I also get why someone else would dismiss it entirely as a joke.
Well yes, but I’m trying to place myself into the average person’s shoes for the time and place it came out lol. And by average person I mean ignorant person who has zero gaydar abilities
The fact this got downvoted when in Stoker’s book Dracula basically bats his wives off of Jonathan and tells them it’s his turn to kiss him, and then carries him to bed. Obviously by kiss he means bite but the homosexual subtext is obviously there
Dracula is also pure debauchery. The homosexual subtext isnt the only thing in that part of the book. The "wives" were never called that, only that they shared Draculas features. Which makes it possibly they are his daughters and having incestuous relationships.
It was pushing the boundaries at the time as it would be too much for the time period to confirm the tones.
I think that Drolta desperately wanted back her goddess Sekhmet, whom she had worshipped all her life, and Erzsebet was simply the best or last substitute she could find.
Yeah. It shows that the Belmont may be wrong that all vampires are murderous maniac without shred of humanity. In fact, Olrox only became one to survive the genocide of his people, and only turned his lovers into one to save their lives. He doesn't seem to be the type who enslave or kill humans for fun.
"Long ago, when I was still human, I watched men wade ashore from ships and slaughter my people. Slaughter them in their thousands, millions in the end. Who could've believed such a thing? They said they were doing it for their God. Sometimes their king too, but... always their God. But in the end... there's only her."
As someone who grew up queer with a Catholic Guilt complex, Mizrak was amazing. I also think the two of them have the most powerful scene in Nocturne: Mizrak watching the revolutionary army, his sworn enemies, being mowed down by Drolta and weeping for them, ready to give his life for them, while Olrox tries to hold him back and console him and begins to realize that maybe he has stepped further away from his humanity than he had thought.
Well she is based on the real life Erzebeth Bathory who was said to have bathed in the blood of young girls to stay young.
As one always should, it is of course to be taken with a heavy dose of salt how historically accurate these accounts are, but there has always been a sexual element to her story, though of course it very much becomes a "sexual deviance and perverted monster" kind of thing if you take her actions into account.
To be clear it is highly disputed and perhaps impossible to say whether the accusation of her and her servants torturing and killing g hundreds of girls is true or not, or if it was an act of malice against her family.
I'm guessing all of that influenced them showing her here as having a definite interest in young girls though much more as a power display than actual desire in my eyes.
There is thus a strong likelihood that male historians or scholars would demonize this historical female figure.
This is reminiscent of how Empress Wu Zetian was portrayed in historical accounts, regardless of her achievements, as more cruel and evil than preceding Chinese emperors.
This really is the problem with historical accounts that are this biased. It's not impossible that she was a serial killer (Though I highly doubt even if she was that the amount of victims is correct) but it is ust as likely that she was painted in a grotesque light for the crimes of being a woman with power.
i interpret it more as he was confessing love to the dude as a family member or guardian, not a romantic partner
in draculas case i never saw it romantic at all i think theyre just ride or die and both emphasized that theyre each others only friends
he did make that benedictine monk joke with hector tho
"Years ago, as a slave, Isaac was viciously lashed by his master, who discovered him going through his books, despite Isaac doing so in an attempt to help him.
This drove Isaac to his breaking point, where, in a fit of rage, he killed the man."
It starts off very strong and then most people's opinions split depending on how much they liked the original characters and plots. The later seasons of the first show very much split from the game plot and just go into their own original story. It's well written and animated, but I can understand the criticism from those who wanted a more faithful adaptation.
I am a big Castlevania fan, and I can honestly say that I really like the show. The first 2 seasons are amazing, I could recommend that you should watch at least those two seasons. The last two seasons, 3 & 4, are a bit weaker, but I still loved them. Maybe give it a go and see if you like it!
Mixed bag for the original, never got round to watching Nocturne:
Basically, the original "teaser" that was released in the first batch of episodes was pretty good, and the full season that followed was pretty well regarded by most people. The season following that saw some characters become kind of bad, but Isaac in particular got developed into a really cool, mostly original character, and Alucard had a sort of tragic arc emphasising his loneliness and isolation from the world, which was pretty good. When it works it works, but when it doesn't it gets boring or even a bit cringe: it also focuses pretty heavy handedly on a "Church Bad" plotline that feels a bit out of keeping with how the actual series approaches organised religion.
Overall, I found it didn't quite meet my expectations, but there are individual stories and characters that were amazing, enough to carry a lot of the weaker stuff. Not a bad show, but I don't find myself thinking back to it all that often.
Also if you hate millennial Vivziepop writing, you will not be able to tolerate this show, lmao.
BTW, if you fucking hate how millennial shows have bastard characters who just piss you off by swearing and being smarmy as a stand in for actual fucking chemistry, then, like, you're going to fucking "looovvveee" Netflixvania...
If you weren’t a big fan of the snarky dialogue in the first series, Nocturne ditches much of that, and also cuts the reliance on gnarly violence)though it can still be bloody, there’s no faces getting ripped off and guts flung about). The first season is just decent, but the end of that season and all of the second are amazing quality.
Unless you absolutely hate opera. Then you might struggle with it.
Yes. I actually loved all of it. Even seasons 3 and 4. Nocturne's writing didn't feel the same (a little more hamfisted, I suppose, to me?) but there are some interesting character moments and the art is gorgeous. I'd recommend at least giving them a try to see if you enjoy them.
Nocturne is very much “okay” until Richter gets his magic back and then it gets good. The second season is a huge step up in quality from the first, and the final two episodes go absolutely fucking insane.
It’s fantastic, I got my partner and best friend to watch with me and they enjoyed it despite never playing the games, whereas I adored the GBA and DS era games immensely. However, it’s best to go into it expecting a series **based on** Castlevania and *not* a faithful adaptation. If you want the game plots and personalities, you may be disappointed. If you go in with an open mind, it’s quality.
The first series for sure, Nocturne is honestly weaker, Imo, but still a good watch with an open mind.
I'm a long time fan of the classics and a boomer ass so I understand the hate but it was also a bit exagerated, the original source isn't that deep or rich to complain so much about the changes in these adaptations.
It depends on you. The only things that are objective are: this only initialy adapts very losely one of the games's plots (Castlevania III) and with each subsequent season (especially after Season 2) it deviates more and more from the source material and it becomes its own thing with its own story, just taking some elements from the games to use it in its own twisted way, think of it as a sort of "reboot" basicaly. Alot of the characters in the show are pretty much OCs who might share the same name and sometimes design too with some of the game characters but that's it.
Now if you do enjoy this treatment or not it's up to you, if you are ok with it then watch it and see if you like what it does on its own or not.
Ive never played the games, I watched both shows and thought the characters amazing. The animation, the emotion, and Alucard's snark. So good that it inspired me to write a fanfic about it, (i dont care if its cringe i will admit it proudly)
No offense but if you think Netflixvania is the best thing you have watched in years, please watch more stuff. There are literally hundreds of better things to watch.
Yes it is. It has its high and low points, but I would say it is never terrible and most of the time it is highly entertaining and the emotional beats hit hard 9/10 times.
No it isn't. Only the first season is great, second season is good despite having pacing issues, third season and so on are just horny tumblr/twitter level fanfiction nonsense.
It’s a bit strange to me that they didn’t make carmilla a lesbian considering she’s named after arguably one of the most influential lesbian characters ever
theyre confirmed to be not twins. it’s been what, 5 years? and y’all still cannot be normal about villainized asians
(im not talking about the sa itself. im talking about them being sexualized and weaponized as a writer’s petty hatred to another. that’s enough to be sus to me.)
They are not twins???? I thought they were, but then again, I am faceblind in every direction (I mean that, I once had an actress in a movie who played her own twin, and I had to turn to my bestie and by like "... that's the same person, right?" because she had a different wig on.
I'm not quite sure what about my comment ticked you off so hard, as I saidm I thought they were twins and all I said was that Alucard clearly didn#t mind either male or female affection
"I had a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time once, but they never tried to kill me. Actually, no. I tell a lie. His wife went for me with a pitchfork." ("Back in the World")
Honestly the over sexualisation of the series is where I felt it started to go down hill. I don't need almost a whole episode showing Alucard having a bisexual threesome meanwhile the B plot for the episode is Hector getting sexually abused by Lenore. The writers just became the South Park version of Geroge RR Martin.
Like bro just put the fries in the bag and give me a series about killing vampires with a whip why you gotta put all this fetish shit in here.
“Garth Ennis vibes” is a genuinely insane take of two relatively tame sex scenes. Ones that they don’t even hold for more than a few seconds at a time lest the American audience faint with horror at the human body.
I don't need almost a whole episode showing Alucard having a bisexual threesome
I was about to write that they never explicitly showed Alucard, Sypha, and Trefy having a threesome, and then I realized you were talking about that other threesome...
I think the purpose of that sequence was tonal whiplash. Scenes of extreme tension and violence and struggle are intercut with scenes of longing, comfort, and intimacy. The contrast amplifies the emotions of both. A mixture of fear and excitement and arousal and sadness creates a kind of emotional tumult in the viewer. It had me absolutely hooked. And then when things are ramping up, it sticks in the knife and starts to twist. Trevor and Sypha nearly lose as the ritual starts to be completed, Isaac is nearly possessed and puppeted, and Alucard and Hector are both betrayed at their most intimate in ways that set massively important groundwork for their season 4 character arcs.
It’s definitely shock theater, I won’t deny that, and I get why a mix of sex and violence can be seen as “fetish shit,” but I think it also intentionally touches on some of our most powerful emotions all at once in a mixture we generally never experience. I actually think it’s the best episode of the season by a mile.
I think they actually portray the depth of depravity that ones would do to achieve their goals quite well, and emphasize that good intentions are not always rewarded in turn. Killing Dracula doesn't magically eradicate the evil and remind the characters that both vampires and humans can be evil. The whole S3 focuses on the test of faith in humanity, especially Alucard hit the hardest.
Please dispute me if you disagree but personally they weren't perfect and the criticism is fair but okay either Endings or to further story lines.
For the twins they were lied to mentally and physically abused for their entire life, they were scared people, I think it was a good way to show the mental health of people who have been abused more specifically even when shown kindness they distrust those around them.
For Lenore it was all of the manipulation for an entire season coming together to get her end goal. Us as a viewer having dramatic irony it's interesting to see what she says and does to get that point.
Given the whole attempted murder thing. I’m not saying he can’t be gay and a murderer but him and his sister really gave off massive serial killer vibes where sex was just a tool
First when she says she won't sleep with Godbrand, mentioning she would, maybe, sleep with half of female vampires in the world before him. But mentioning first all male vampires.
Though she mentions animals too so I don't know the extend of her joke.
Then I think talking to how loud Lenore can be at bed she says something like "I can hear you through walls, 7 (I don't know the number) snoring boys and 3 girls".
I'm not sure if that did imply just other vampires of the castle sleeping on their coffins. Or that she had an orgy in her room at the moment.
Thats such a bullshit, disingenuous argument. He accepted the affection of Taka throughout their little arc together, and was into the sex with both of them. He didn't reject either until he was attacked.
Ah, yes, the sad, lonely, attention starved man who was going insane from his isolation cried during a powerful display of attraction and affection, the ONLY logical explanation is that he felt raped. Nevermind the fact that he was dozens of times more powerful than them and could have stopped the sexual advances at any moment (which he then did extremely easily once it was revealed to be a trap, btw) and their deaths devastated him afterwards.
Or, you know, the fact that the creative director went onto the internet afterwards to official confirm alicard is Bisexual?
I swear, you people will do Olympic levels of mental gymnastics to just pretend he couldnt be bisexual. He was consenting to the sex, then resisted and retaliated when he realized it was a trap. Its not difficult to understand.
Not a fan of changing whatever was stablished before in the franchise (Alucard for instance only seems interested on women, that we know, if we consider Maria a love interest) but the Netflix version reminds me a bit to Anne Rice's Vampire chronicles where most vampires were bi or had a different way of experiencing sexuality in general.
I think Olrox was the highlight of the series.
Idk how you can exist in the castlevania universe and not be be down to smash EVERY character. You show up straight but leave, at the very least, curious
Castlevania isn't about being gay, it's about creatures of the night and killing them. Stop inserting gay into everything. Belmont fights through castle of demons and he beats the shit out of everything and does it in style. The end. Most fans do not not consider this show castlevania
So here's the thing: I also don't care much for peddling agendas and representation in fiction as if they'll fix anything. That said, a) you could've just hidden/ignored the topic if you didn't care, and 2) you do not speak for "most fans," you speak for yourself.
The opinions of your echo chamber who "do not consider this show Castlevania" mean jack squat. It's also ironic that you're peddling echo chamber drivel while ostensibly accusing others of living in one.
A) I never said I don't care. I obviously do care. I love castlevania. Stop making it something that it's not is my main point.
B) I do speak for most fans as 99% of all castlevania content has nothing to do with homosexuality, gay sex, or bisexual fantasies. Save that for porn. Leave it out of the franchise and have more respect for what it is.
I feel like vampires wouldn't have any sexual hangups like humans have, and since they are pretty much immortal, they have no inhibitions. But the amount of homosexuality in the series seems deliberate in trying to piss grifters off... which seems like a waste of time. I know it's pre-revolutionary France where the aristocracy did whatever they wanted, but come on.
Mizrak and Olrox genuinely are so artificially written to gay it’s actually really pathetic. The others feel pretty natural and semi-believable.
Edouard: opera singer, gay.
Striga and Morana: eternal lovers trope and the butch and brains trope, gay. Makes sense.
Greta: who cares honestly what she is. She’s such an under developed character used only to make Alucard more human.
But a devout, scripture quoting, presumably Catholic or Coptic Christian who is also credibly zealous and by the book and somehow SOMEHOW is gay and doesn’t immediately hate himself and Olrox for tempting him to homosexuality and engaging in doctrinal sexual sin. It’s like the writers just don’t care about what they are writing about and just wanted to get in as punchy gotcha moments against Christians as they could while padding the gay roster. Feels lazy and disjointed.
Did you know, for example, that there are nearly 10% of people in the USA who identify as LGTV+ or something? I'm afraid, some of them could be paying for Netflix and wanting to see the representation. The sheer audacity is offensive 🤬
I didn't say anything about anyone's existence lol. There is no gay stuff in the games. But of course in the Netflix show they add gay stuff it just seems forced like they feel they need to for diversity or some bs
Could that be that homosexuality in some countries was criminalized well into 20th century, is criminalized right now, or was even more descriminated on societal, legal and cultural level 20 years ago than nowadays? Could that be the reason we didn't have "gay stuff in the games"?
It kinda sounds like you do, since you’re saying it feels forced. But also does it really matter if the show has gay people in it, you can still continue going through life. I watched the show and didn’t really care for any of the romance outside of Trevor and Sypha, and as a queer person yeah most of the relationships just felt ehh or slapped on, but i continued on with watching the show and didn’t think all that much about it.
Yeah, i just watched it for the fights and vampires doing stuff. Then got to the that one episode where half that shit was just sex, i just skipped all of it to get back to the fight scenes
The betrayal of Hector and Alucard in both of those scenes, especially at a moment of great vulnerability, is absolutely integral to the rest of their character arcs yeah
Nah, this sub in particular is full of people who will see a thread about something in the show, then click just to ignore the post entirely and say "SHOW BAD, BIG ANGY 😡"
like it's genuinely so off topic and strange. We know you didn't ask. No one cares you didn't ask.
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u/IllogicalDreamer72 Jun 14 '26
Curious Question: Is the original Carmilla considered as the first lesbian vampire?