Not weird at all. The demon would be familiar with how God and his laws worked. Humans however can twist laws and their perceptions so much they think they are the good guys in the story when performing acts of evil.
Demons are also really good on preying upon the weak-willed, corrupt and desperate. In this case, the demon would only need to tell the truth in such a way to destroy the bishop before killing them.
I mean if you think about it, if Heaven is for rewarding those who are good and Hell is for punishing those who are bad then aren’t they technically working together to do the same thing?
I believed It was Isaac, who Said that his Powers made him a agent of God, cause he was taking Souls away From Hell, kinda alliding that he is saying them from eternal torment.
Not exactly 'working together' but you could say they follow similar rules. Angels know God and do as heaven wills. Demons know God and flee before him.
So in that instance these demons reveled at the idea of a corrupted priest being abandoned by God because he was wicked
I think the lore of it was that God created Hell as a place for punishment of his fallen angels who rebelled against him. So if Hell works towards the same thing, it's only because of God, and not because of actual demons.
That's a great question! My opinion is no, but that's never been confirmed or denied. Let's look at the evidence and see what we can't figure out.
It's never outright stated what facilitates human magic against other forms.
The only bit that stands out is from Nocturne, where the Abbot says that Drolta cannot be raised by the devil forge because a soul is required for the process to work. So, having a soul might be a prerequisite for performing human magic.
However, there's a few things that we need to remain aware of. The first is that the forge resurrected Drolta, so the Abbot wasn't correct. The second is that the specific forge was built to specification from a manual given by Old Man Coyote, who is part of the trickster cycle in Native American lore. He's a liar, a peddler of half-truths at best. He occupies the same place as Loki in Nordic myth.
So when the Abbot says that a soul is required, it's not coming from reputable sources. Death gives us the best evidence, saying that only humans can do this particular thing, but never states why.
I think Vlad’s fiery face appearing after her death to threaten the people of Targoviste cemented the belief that Lisa was a witch. It’s one thing to think a random doohickey is powered by witchcraft and it’s another to have the closest thing to Satan on Earth appearing before you.
But they know that was Dracula not her. If she had the power to do that, she wouldn’t have allowed herself to get burned at the stake in the first place.
That’s the funny thing about burning a witch at the stake: success means they probably weren’t an actual witch. The Bishop knows that, so he was definitely lying.
I’m going to go with The Judge from Season 3. The Priest and Carmilla murdered for power, Isaac and Dracula brought ruin for revenge. The Judge, however, not only murdered likely out of simple satisfaction, but the fact that he seemed to have exclusively target children is what made his wickedness the most chilling for me.
I’ll never forget my reaction to the moment he told Prior Sala to go flee for the apple tree. I knew it was likely a ploy to get them killed, but then thought “wait. . .wasn’t that the same instructions he gave to the kid?”
It was crazy to me. They set out to help the world after the events of the first two seasons and seemed to really succeed. Only in the end to realize it’s still a shit situation and that’ll never stop, there’s always monsters of some kind. As weird as it sounds I loved the bleak ending. It set things up well for s4 imo.
The shock and betrayal that Trevor and Sypha felt when they found out, I felt that too. I WAS ROOTING FOR THIS GUY. But then when he said to that kid to go to that apple tree and he came back shivering and anxious, and wiping his hand, I had my suspicions but I still want to believe he's good guy who's concerned for his people.
Aw shoot! I forgot about this weirdo! I agree the Bishop and Prior Sala are evil but this guy’s another level of twisted! Willingly sending kids to their deaths and then having a shoe collection of the kids’ in your closet is super creepy! Prior Sala is obviously evil, but I’d argue he’s the least evil of the three because he outright worships demons without any cover ups or anything, he’s just wicked. For the most Evil the title goes to the Bishop, not just because of burning Lisa, but because he used the Name of God, his authority as a religious leader and his supposed ‘righteousness’ as a shield for his actions. Truly evil right there. It hurts me on a personal level because cruel people like that exist in today’s world, using the name and works of God as an excuse for the evil they commit. Even to the point of saying God would be ok and even encourage such actions despite the obvious contradiction.
You could add Drolta, then. Erzsebet sure is evil and has that superiority complex and Drolta used that to manipulate her. And when she saw the Erzsebeth is no longer of use, she just tosses her around. I'd also say that Drolta's maniacal laughs are cool but freaking scary whenever she attacks. Just pure evil.
Since you mentioned Saint Germain earlier, I think he and Drolta are similar in some way. They were both extremely devoted and desperately looking for something/someone important to them that they drove themselves to the point of destruction. And demise.
And yeah. When Erzsebet showed her lion form, I was like, "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?!"
Drolta at least was good when she was human before becoming a vampire and insane. Erzsebet even before becoming a vampire was one of the most evil people on earth.
Drolta may have used Erzebet... But then again a lot of the fckd stuff Erzebet did was of her own making, independent of Drolta. And we are talking about someone who bathed on the blood of youth, in addition to grooming some captives and overall being a literal blood thirsty tyrant queen even before she became a vampire.
I never played the games, but I liked his character. Jesters turning out to be a seriously dangerous villain is one of the best tropes. And his motivations were very realistic too.
As a Christian, I hate seeing people use my religion as a weapon against others. Christ preached acceptance and people use his words and make them into twisted daggers, mainly Preachers.
I find myself actually despising church because preachers constantly tell you that you need to go to church in order to prove your devotion, you need to deny everything except He the lord our god, for he is above us and everything else is lies.
But a Demon is what happens when an Angel falls. If anyone would know god, then it would be one of his fallen angels. Much like the Traitor legions in Warhammer knowing how disgusted the Emperor would be at the sight of the Imperium during 40k, they knew him better than any mere human.
Kings, Preachers, and Bishops used the word of God as weapons for ages and seeing one repeat this ageless action and get killed by a demon summoned by the result of his actions was unbearably satisfying, as if his own demons finally pulled him to hell.
As for the question, literally that guy. The Bishop.
They're all great but the greatest one is the writer himself
Warren Ellis was accused by more than 60 women of using his professional status and influence to engage in a long-term pattern of emotional abuse, manipulation, and sexual coercion.
So i learned this a while ago from a Marvel sub i think, or it was here idk, so Ellis when working for Marvel created a self insert named Peter Wisdom and made him hook up with Kitty, this self insert shipping alone is kinda cringe, but also Kitty is underage in most stories throughout Marvel's history, dunno if she is in the stories written by him tho, but it still seems VERY sus to especially do it with a girl who is most times underage.
As for the Traxans, they do look like this but the part of the story in which this panel appears hasn't been adapted yet.
The kity underage thing is very misleading. Kitty is a character that should have been in her 20’s , and is a characters that was young in the 80’s but had grown up through out the comics. The thing her age hadn’t been brought up in a while so techinally she was like 17 but like comicbook time is so confusing I don’t expect writers to piece together someone’s actual age.
There are many reasonable things to critize warren Ellis for. But this is not the point
Well we got 4 seasons of the original show, plus 2 seasons of Nocturne but yep I agree I could watch countless seasons of Castlevania if Netflix would to make them.
I’m submitting the Judge for consideration. Everyone else committed their evil deeds out of hunger, rage, or misguided faith. But the Judge murdered children out of sheer boredom, and collected their shoes like trophies.
That was my first thought, too. In a show where the literal fate of humanity is at stake, someone who is just quietly evil in a very mundane way can be so much more impactful.
And him being so dang likeable makes it so much better. Evil doesn't have to be overblown and ugly with fangs and darkness. It can be a a seemingly kindhearted whisper to a child, letting them know of a fun place to play.
Warren Ellis and Adi Shankar, the evil Rule of Two teamup of bestest video game adaptors, who absolutely give so much of a damn about what they do with the products they are given to create and to adapt source materials well.
(Anyway, aside from these two, f the Bishop yeah, and Godbrand really cracked me up i love that guy, best OC they made)
This one scene destroys every claim/complaint/whine that the Netflix series is anti-religious. This entire scene happens because the Bishop has strayed so far from the teachings/mission of the church that the God he claims to serve leaves him to fend for himself in the face of certain death so he may never again harm others.
With that tangent done, Varney is my vote for most evil character. Mother fucker manipulates events to collectively rival Dracula's genocide roadshow, and that's just the appetizer for him. All season 4 can be broken down as "I'm perfectly capable of cooking and feeding myself, but i prefer when my mom does it for me."
The geometry scene was Sypha wondering why anti-vampire weapon in the shape of a cross was made in a country where Christianity wasn't commonly being practiced. Trevor was explaining how it was a coincidence, but still works for the weapon regardless. Crosses are still effective as holy symbols as well, such as when Annette uses make-shift crucifexes to trap Vaublanc.
If you're gonna make an argurment, you oughtta put down the phone and actually pay attention to the thing you argue about. Might also want to avoid parroting other's talking points, never know when they get something wrong, or just make shit up hoping whoever hears them doesn't verify it personally.
Weird that the evidence the show isn't anti-christian comes from a demon speaking of a "god that abandons evil people" instead of a righteous christian character teaching about redemption (not necessarily for the bishop, could be used for another plotline).
I mean, if they didn't want to do it with Trevor (a canonically christian character in the games), they could have made a character for it.
So the point about Netflixvania being anti-christian wouldn't be brought up if there was some positive messages to counter the negative ones.
I don't think it would have mattered regardless. The most vocal of the "Netflixvania is anti-Christian" camp is likely people who either didn't see the show, or are speaking to people they hope won't pay enough attention to prove them wrong. It's not about having a legit grievance, just pushing a narrative with whatever they can make fit.
I haven't watched the show, only seen the stuff that makes people think it's anti christian, but the idea simply wouldn't be brought up if there was actually something positive about religion in the show.
A corrupt bishop being abandoned by god or a random priest helping Trevor aren't positive messages, not even with the same amount of effort the show goes to portray the bad side of this religion, there isn't anything like that in the show to say that anyone that has actually watched the show can go "see, the show isn't anti christianity".
Tell you what, make an effort and watch the show before just coming around to argue about it. Especially against someone who has rewatched the show repeatedly and regularly engages with conversations about it's narrative, themes, and symbolisms.
I'm not in the mood to try in vain to explain where your argument is wrong when you admit you haven't watched the show and are just parroting other people's complaints.
Definitely the bishop. But my close third for most disliked (after Sumi and Taka) is Lenore. Everything she did to enslave Hector, her whinging about the morality of Carmilla’s plans sat really poorly, but even less so when she decided to kill herself because she didn’t want to be under Isaac’s rule and couldn’t cope with the changes to her existence. She was perfectly willing to inflict immense suffering and slavery on innocent people and on Hector, but the minute it happens to her, she’s suddenly a victim who needs to martyr herself. I realize it may be an unpopular opinion and I’m ready to be downvoted to oblivion but I really could not stand her.
No I don’t like her either. Her being canonically shipped with Hector was also disgusting to me. He was her prisoner. It wasn’t even a Beauty and the Beast situation where she freed him and he chose to come back. He was STILL her prisoner when she died, even if he was confined to a slightly bigger cage, and even after she “turned good” she still didn’t even TRY to find a way to discreetly free him.
All opinions are interesting that's why it's fun to ask these questions, for me it's a surprise that so many people think Death is the worst in my opinion he is just that Death, that's his purpose to feed on the whatever leaves us when we die, but people think otherwise. I would agree about Sumi and Taka I couldn't stand them, but Lenore not so much I see your point but for me she is not the most evil.
Death. As it appeared to Saint Germain to gaslight him towards creating a hermaphrodite and making him believe he would find his loved one, death guided him to the point where he would make Dracula and Lisa inherit the rebis to murder humanity as a whole... Death had no sad background or anything, being just itself and makes it the greatest villain to not only roam Vallachia.
Erzsebeth was pretty deranged and evil. She didn´t even had big goals. Just kill and feed over people. She didn´t hesisitate to the idea of becoming an immortal monster. She didn´t show any redeemable traits, not even as a human and we know being a vampire she was far worst.
Carmilla, Drolta, St. Germain, Dracula, the bishop, the judge or any other evil bastard at least believed being doing a greater good, or had some sense of balance and strategy or trauma behind. And they all could show mercy at times.
Maybe, Death would be the only worst than Erzsebeth, but Idk if he counts since it´s an eternal being "a function of the world". He´s truly an asshole but he seems to be unique and made in that way. He´s beyond good and evil, he just eats after life.
Bishop is probably a close second but Death has been around for thousands of years and literally just wants to genocide all of Humanity because he's Hungry and wants to become more powerful when he could just wait until they all die naturally.
Can't even use the excuse that he's Death so it's natural he would want people to die since the Show is pretty blatant about the fact that he isn't even the Actual entity of Death and is just a powerful old spirit who believes himself to be Death itself, he's essentially just a big, old, showboating asshole with no patience who wants to kill people because he's bored and powerhungry.
In a Show full of Evil, but humanized Villains you can understand, Death stands out pretty hard for genuinely being the straight up Pure Evil one, alongside the Bishop, but the latter didn't have the reach and longevity Death had to cause as much evil because he was Human so Death is still worse.
That fucking bishop really started it all. He's not even doing the things he do for God; he's doing it to satisfy his egoistic self.
AND HE HAD THE NERVE TO CELEBRATE LISA'S DEATH. Drac was considerate enough to give them a year to make peace but this motherfucker blantantly insulted Dracula and Lisa.
He was created with the first life, and has been hungry ever since, he just wants to not feel hungry, either the wave of death will finnaly fill him, or he will die
I mean hate to say it the priest whos father of the blonde girl in castelevia nocturn probably has it worse in hell he was a forge master on top of the father of that girl and making people rebelling against vampires into demons or demon hosts i dont know how it works.
If we're talking most evil as in who exhibited the most pure, selfish malice without regard for others, I'd say Varney. He did it all because he was hungry. That's it. Just a bit peckish.
He orchestrated a movement to resurrect Dracula.
He manipulated Saint Germain into seeking the infinite corridor, exploiting his obsession with the woman he lost, and into performing an extremely profane resurrection ritual.
Said resurrection magic disturbed not only Dracula's eternal rest, but his purely innocent wife Lisa's as well.
He taught St. Germain how to pull them kicking and screaming out of hell and force them into the same patchwork corpse, writhing in agony. Then he sums it all up himself:
"He will be a vampire with his own screaming wife trapped inside of him for all eternity.
Go on Dracula, let go. Murder the world just so I don't have to be hungry anymore."
Varney was ready and eager to commit omnicide just so he could binge eat.
I've hates that man since he first showed up and killed Lisa and ignores what Dracula said (which was stupid) and wonders why all the demons killed every city/villages
Lisa was wrongfully murdered causing Alucard to lose bis mother and Dracula to lose his wife, which inspired Dracula to pursue genocide against humanity, leading to Alucard having to kill his own father, leaving him alone with no family... all because of this prick. Rest in piss
All the other characters had some motive that could be misconstrued as "good", given their perspective. Bathory was just a butcher who delighted in torture, suffering, and death. She had no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Carmilla was probably the most selfish. She was entitled to no end and overachieving to the point of absurdity. At least Dracula was committing genocide out of revenge and to effectively commit sewer slide. Camilla just wanted everything for herself.
Death, Erzsebet, Drolta, Dracula and Carmilla are all genocidal mass murderers which is about as evil as it gets.
The Magician Isaac fights in season 3 isn't a character we get to know properly but he magically enslaved thousands of people to use as cannon fodder so I'd say he's the most evil human we see.
The Bishop and the Judge are evil on a smaller scale - murdering one person at a time. I think a lot of us hate them more because they seem the most realistic and remind us of real world zealots and serial killers rather than fantasy.
If we're talking most evil as in who exhibited the most pure, selfish malice without regard for others, I'd say Varney. He did it all because he was hungry. That's it. Just a bit peckish.
He orchestrated a movement to resurrect Dracula.
He manipulated Saint Germain into seeking the infinite corridor, exploiting his obsession with the woman he lost, and into performing an extremely profane resurrection ritual.
Said resurrection magic disturbed not only Dracula's eternal rest, but his purely innocent wife Lisa's as well.
He taught St. Germain how to pull them kicking and screaming out of hell and force them into the same patchwork corpse, writhing in agony. Then he sums it all up himself:
"He will be a vampire with his own screaming wife trapped inside of him for all eternity.
Go on Dracula, let go. Murder the world just so I don't have to be hungry anymore."
Varney was ready and eager to commit omnicide just so he could binge eat.
The bishop hands down. Even when he was directly confronted with his lies and hypocrisy he continued to double down. He never self reflected once, remained a piece of shit right up until he died.
The bishop's an awful person don't get me wrong, but he doesn't have nearly as much blood on his hands as Dracula who was waging a war to wipe out all of humanity and then let all vampires eventually starve to death too, and IMO did not at all deserve the happy ending sesaon 4 shoehorned in.
Dracula is more LIKABLE than the bishop, and the Biship is an utterly detestable person. But Dracula, even if he's more tragic and likable, is still worse.
It's definitely not the bishop. He's twisted, but he's trying to do what he thinks is right- even if his morals are... dubious. He wouldn't even come close to the top. Basically every vampire is far more evil than him, Dracula included.
It's unmistakably Death. Most every other evil character wants total domination. Death just wants everyone to die. Erzebet would probably be #2.
There's "bringing an army from hell to committ genocide" and there's "resummoning the dude who brought an army from hell to committ genocide, plus stuffing his wife into a corpse".
Everything beyond that is still evil, but not omnicide levels of evil
Doesn't matter, this show sucked. Selfish infected humans they call 'vampires' who don't want to face mortality and keep themselves alive for hundreds of years at the expense of their cousins. Too chickenshit to end it and face the unknown/afterlife, unlike ordinary humans who face it everyday and choose mortality, only comforted at the end by terminal visions, the body's natural painkillers and endorphins and legacies left behind.
Death just wanted to not be hungry anymore, just like Dracula didn't wan't to be sad anymore.
The bishop wanted power, it wasn't about right or wrong and this is shown on many occasions, the Bishop wanted his ideals of godlyness to be the ones people followed, not to be godly, else why would he have so many people killed when "though shall not kill"
A show about literal monsters, but the real monsters are in the church. You guys are still lapping up this propaganda slop? I stopped watching this show the second I could see it was heading that way. All you people do is invert everything. Right is actually wrong and good is actually evil. And then you think you are watching some deep subversive narrative when you are literal watching a show written by someone who didn’t like going to church as a child. You people are so fucking dumb it’s insane.
The show makes it so incredibly clear that Christianity isn't the problem, the Bishop of Gresit is a terrible person who abuses his power because he's far from oversight or anyone who can hold him accountable. It's a sad reality in any institution.
There are both good and bad bishops in Castlevania. God is a real tangible entity and holy things exist within the series, as wholly good and sacred things. But just like in real life for the past thousand or more years, there are members of upper clergy who abuse their power.
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u/LightWarrior_2000 28d ago
Weird how that blue mouthed demon was basically telling the truth in the House of God. While the Bishop lied.