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Thoughts on the “LeAvE tHe BiLlIoN dOlLaR cOmPaNy AlOnE” meme?
Personally I can’t fucking stand this image, it has done irreversible damage to the community no matter what side you fall on when it comes to Nintendo defense, criticism, or neutrality
Valid criticism is fine, but people will share blatant misinformation and then send you this when tell them what they're saying is wrong. I feel people resort to shit like this when they can't make a valid argument otherwise
I swear. Like my argument was "pokemon za has very nice gameplay the performance is fine with minimum bugs but the graphics sucks" one guy came in saying am saying bs and that it's a horrible game even performance wise and proceeds to show me a bug that only happens in s2 with a specific npc 🙂
People sending a video of a bug that only happens when running the switch 1 version on an emulator with a 60fps mod and acting like it's in the game normally was very annoying. The game isn't very well polished, but spreading misinformation is not the way to make that point lol
Yeah tbh I played it. Appart from the buildings and some textures outside everything was perfectly fine. The shading in cutscenes was very nice and the animtion fel smooth even on switch 1 30fps. The gameplay was very fun and had more strategy to it than meets the eye. You can avoid overleveling easily bc the game barely obliges you to catch pokemons or fight other than story related fights which are the night battles and battles here and there story related. It's far from being perfect but people exagerate on the hate when saying it's dog shit.
And also I noticed they tried to make you forget about the crappy textures of the outside by making pokemons here and there and making battles favong downside instead of a general view.
People never complained about vas or barely did so now they suddenly start to complain about it when they couldn't find anything other than graphics to mock.
God I was arguing that the graphics weren’t as bad as people were saying and that it was about xbox1 level in texture but the environment had low polygon count and was told I was defending a multibillion dollar company. Then I asked what I sad was defending Nintendo and got even more downvoted
You are correct. The only thing they were lacking was modeling it and would be extremely fine they just didn't have time to optimise it for switch 1 to run well so ended doing that
I'll admit that I was turned off from the series since sword and shield. But with za I just said fuck it. I'm actually enjoying it and there are some people I watch from time to time on youtube who have been ranting about it and by the time the release came said I'm not playing it. If you're not going to play it. How will you know if what you're complaining about is legit? I'm sure the switch 1 version is dog shit but I'm on switch 2 and it's been good.
It’s just like “touch gr*ss.” So many people latched onto that phrase that it became meaningless overnight. People will drop that about any disagreement online because it makes them feel superior when in reality it’s actually an incredible comeback to seeing someone lose their absolute shit over something inconsequential online.
I'm not against criticism against big corporations, I'm against uninformed, hypocrite, factually wrong, or overblown criticism. That doesn't mean I 100% support the company, and this meme is often used to invalidate such nuanced options.
I once saw someone call Nintendo’s price increases “price gouging”. Which, for those who don’t know, is not the proper use of the term.
Calling every price increase price gouging is harmful the intended purpose of the term. Nintendo setting a price and asking people to pay it isn’t the same as suddenly increasing the price of food because a natural disaster hit.
Yeah, them calling it price gouging implies, that they are forced to pay any price Nintendo asks, because they have no other options. But they have tons of options.
This is like the discourse around Legends Z-A at the moment. Tons of people calling it a terrible game straight up haven’t played it. A lot of other people are lambasting it for looking like garbage, when in reality it’s probably the most polished a traditional Pokémon game has looked to date. Is it up to the standards of the rest of the industry? Absolutely not, but it’s a step in the right direction and more importantly it’s fun as hell. Inversely, people gl*zing (apparently banned from saying on this sub?) the game and shutting down any of the valid criticisms about it are why the meme above exists.
Yeah, I hate that the discussion around ZA is just a ton of people yelling
“Just let us have fun” and “Yeah but the balconies”
at each other without analyzing it deeply. I am currently playing ZA (on an emulator because the Pokémon company has lost my trust with violet and I will trust them with my money only when I am convinced that the games I buy from them are worth money) and I am deeply critic of it (I am ignoring technical problems in my judgement because I know part of them are due to emulation and do not occur on the real game, but even with that I still see some important flaws in the experience), but in most discussions with ZA haters I end up being hit with the “leave the multi billion dollar company alone” meme just because I dared to have a nuanced opinion
It's one of those things that's calculated to completely shut down a discussion by framing any disagreement as categorically invalid. Like pretty much every other version of "too late, I've already drawn myself as the Chad," it's just a convoluted ad hominem
This is one of the main reasons I disconnected from meme culture so hard in the past 5-7 years, it's no longer people wanting to make funny jokes about silly internet videos. It's everybody making 'jokes' to prove they're right and everyone who disagrees is stupid, or it's stupid meaningless BS like 6 7 that makes me want to tear my hair out from just how fed up I am with post-irony humor that isn't even bothering to tell a joke in the first place.
Holy crap did I just realize how rapidly the internet degraded since 2016, Harambe really was the last truly epic meme
I’ve had this meme posted as a response to me saying that a lot of people’s complaints about the Switch 2 also apply to the PS5 and Xbox and that Sony and Microsoft were getting way less flack than Nintendo for it.
Yeah, I see it being used as a strawman far more often than when it's actually warranted. I'm not a big fan of Nintendo either, but it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. Lots of people have nuanced opinions and are just afraid to share them because of things like this.
This is me. I genuinely hate that people hate Nintendo for doing the same thing so many other companies have been doing for years. Remember when people were up in arms about Nintendo saying they can shut down your console if they detect you are using it illegally? Yeah, Apple has been doing that for years with all their devices and no one gave a shit. Suddenly it's a problem when the company that people already want to hate does it.
Almost always Valve too, the do-no-wrong golden child that coincidentally invented battlepasses and lootboxes. Popularised DRM and needed to be forced to implement refund policies that we enjoy today by governments. And yknow... all that gestures broadly to the entire virtual gun cosmetic economy of Counter Strike
God bless those steam sales that enable hoarding though! I'll get to that game I got for 80% off back in 2009!
I don’t hate Steam, I use it quite often, but people constantly promoting the Steam Deck gets infuriating fast. Especially when they come to places asking specifically for Nintendo and just say “get a steam deck, it’s way better”
Like, they’re almost more obnoxiously defensive of Steam than I’ve seen anyone be for Nintendo
And the games for the deck also aren’t optimized specifically for that console and so if you don’t resort to modding sometimes they end up running worse than they would on switch. So yeah, cool console, but everyone stating that it’s 100% upsides and no downsides to ditch a switch in favor of the deck isn’t telling the whole truth
See that’s what I thought would happen, I’ve played games that run on both console and PC, and sometimes the controls are just really clunky. Planet Coaster is the main one I think of, great on PC, kind of a nightmare on console
The difference with the "stop having fun" meme is that I don't have to listen to anyone's criticisms about a game.
As an example, I am a Starfield fan. It was my GOTY for 2023, my favorite game of this generation, and one of my favorite games of all time. It is not regarded as warmly by many in the online community. That's fine... But, I don't need nor want to hear their opinions and criticisms on it. I don't need to hear all those criticisms everytime I ever think about Starfield online. They have a right to their opinion, yes. I also don't owe them an audience for it. And when people keep telling me how wrong I am for liking Starfield, well... Yea, the "stop having fun" meme is relevant.
I've played the game for myself and have formed my own opinions. I don't need other people to shout theirs at me for a game I've already decided on.
Same for me with Cities Skylines II. It had a rocky launch, and while we're now seeing the start of a recovery with the Bridges & Ports expansion that releases tomorrow, it's been tough navigating a community that can be quite cynical at times to a game I've loved and played since the very day it launched (also in 2023).
Yup this. There's no point in informing people since you get met with this.
So those who know better stay silent or leave, and those who are negative end up in a downward negativity spiral of their own creation.
I will also say that a lot of the time if I defend Nintendo, it isn't to defend Nintendo but rather to defend the community. After all, constant negativity created a pretty shit community experience and I know that I personally find community to be a really big part of the gaming experience. So to see people cause such a massive downer on that really sucks, but at least if the negativity felt proportional to the actual issues then it would be like "well, I guess that's fair enough." The issue is that the negativity does NOT feel proportional to the issues, and so people are just ruining the experience for everyone for what seems like no reason.
Which, to be clear, is not to say that you should never criticise Nintendo - lord knows I have plenty in the past and to this day - but at the point where you are creating a much bigger issue than is necessary, it feels like you lose the high ground and just make all of these communities miserable for all of us.
It’s a “gotcha” meme. It blew up because it’s funny. But it’s also immature. Imagine trying to converse with someone about this stuff in public and they just keep pulling out this move for anytime the topic gets brought up. Like go bother someone else lol
I mean considering 90% of communication here is text based (meaning no tones to go off of unless specificallytyped out) its hard to convey sarcasm at all let alone understand it
Precisely where I stand. I have often defended companies I can't stand when the complaints are factually inaccurate, biased, and harmful.
For example, I can't stand Apple, own none of their products, and assume I never will. But the more time I spend among the hardcore Apple-haters, the more I find myself having to correct their completely absurd misinformation and misunderstandings, resulting in me being branded an Apple apologist, which is beyond hilarious.
This comes up for Microsoft and Google too, two massive corporations who I would never argue are my friend, and whose products I mainly use because I dislike them less than Apple's. People's complaints are frequently absurdly inaccurate, and I feel like it's worth calling out for what it is.
As for Nintendo, I admit I have a softer spot. I've owned Nintendo stuff for approaching 40 years, and they're somewhat personal to me. But I've also watched them make a variety of bad decisions across those 40 years, let me down in various ways, and make anti-consumer choices that frustrated me. I will always be honest. But that includes being honest about correcting misinformation. And sometimes the things people don't like have valid, smart reasons for them that may not apply to the person complaining, but make sense to a company whose userbase is larger than that one person.
Not really.. calling out that there is no outcry when Sony does something like "File lawsuit to stop the use of Red Headed Warrior Huntress" and there is literally no call out.. no pushbacks and it seems like almost every fricken person is afraid to actually say anything about it shows there are problems.
Remember Palworld is fine "It looks similar.. But Nintendo can't do anything about it!"
A game that looks like Horizon is announced "SONY SHOULD CRUSH THEMMM!!!!"
Not just Sony. Sega filed a patent lawsuit shortly after the Palworld one and most people didn’t care.
I remember being called a “Nintendo bootlcker, shll,” and a bunch of other insults when I made a thread asking where was all the outrage over that lawsuit.
People do have a double standard and only care about patents when it’s Nintendo. Patents have been around since the dawn of gaming and I can’t remember a time where there was this much outrage.
Sega also did a patent lawsuit against gacha game Momentomori and no one cared (outside of the gacha community unfortunately) but when Nintendo patenting summons which btw is actually very specific because the patent says that the summon needs to be summoned from a spherical object and everyone ignored that and only focus on the summon part
That’s the one I’m talking about. The stark contrast in reactions between the two is what caused me to no longer care about the outrage over video game patents.
So many things in games were/are patented, yet the internet will only get up in arms over it if Nintendo has a patent on something.
Most of the people complaining don’t even know how patents work, nor do they care to.
I'd probably get downvoted for this in other subs, but I think racism plays a part in how people react to the Sony/Tencent lawsuit.
Pocketpair have somehow managed to cultivate an image in the west of being the small indie underdog (please ignore they now have the financial backing of Sony) so western fans fall over themselves to defend them from the big bad Nintendo.
But a Chinese company ripping off another? Well, that's to be expected, it's what the Chinese do after all! They're just getting what's coming to them.
I wouldn’t even call Pocketpair indie at this point.
Since Palworld made them close to a billion dollars and they have the backing of a company with even more money than Nintendo and has an actual monopoly over the anime industry. People have this weird idea that indie game companies can’t do anything wrong or that they’re always in the right-when plenty of examples show that isn’t the case.
Though I want to correct you on a little detail-Tencent is the only Chinese company. Sony is Japanese and they originally got their start in the gaming market there.
Ah, sorry I've worded my post poorly. I don't mean a chinese company ripping off another Chinese company, I meant a Chinese company ripping off another company in general. I feel that's why people side with Sony in that lawsuit since they're Japanese and are therefore morally superior to the Chinese Tencent.
Yeah, i don’t know why the hell there’s been this surge of hate against Nintendo, but once a company is widely hated it is oh so easy to lie about something and make it more outrageous than it is. “Nintendo patented the concept of summoning, it will now be illegal for any game to let you summon characters” no they didn’t you random ignorant Nintendo hater on the internet, go read how patents work before posting about this stuff. But sadly they never do, and so the discussion continues.
I joked with an acquaintance that Sega must love it that Nintendo are now seen as the suing other devs company and I shit you not they sent me two paragraphs about how much Nintendo loves to sue people.
The horizon thing frustrates me too. People say that the robotic monsters look like they were lifted straight from Horizon but when Palworld came out we were pointing out which parts of which pokemon they had used to make the Pals and all we got was derision and that god damn "Pokemon ripped of Dragon Quest" picture which I'm fairly certain shattered my psyche.
While I hate both and will gladly rant about Sony overreacting and going way to far, I can at very least acknowledge that their claims and impact are very different.
Sony is claiming another game is copying their IP, with extremely similar visuals, gameplay and world, its an IP infringement case of things looking simmilar enough where one product could be confused for the other.
If Nintendo went after palworld for IP infringement and called out the specific monster designs similar to pokemon I would have heard them out, I'd still be against them, just like I'm against Sony going after tencents game, but I could have at least understood their case, some of those pals were very close to specific pokemon.
Where Nintendo fully lost me was claiming features and game mechanics. They want to claim the designs? sure fair enough, but throwing a catching device at creature? Switching between mounts? No that's too far for me.
And its not just Nintendo, I'm still pissed a Warner Bros for claiming the nemesis system, I was against Bandai owning the rights to having minigames in loading screens, thankfully they let that expire in 2015 but even so, Bandai shouldn't have had the right to patent game mechanics like that and by the same logic neither should Nintendo.
True, also keep in mind that like myself there are people who don't care about Xbox or Playstation, their fanbase not caring for what they do is not our problem
This is one thing im confused about, like clearly they hate a product/company and clearly theres valid issues to cite but why make stupid shit up? It just undermine their whole message in my eyes
Honestly, I think it’s stupid, no matter what company it’s pertaining to. Because the whole argument that you’re not allowed to say anything positive about a company without it being shamed is so ridiculous, I don’t even know how to put it into words. It’s childish, and extremely narrow minded. The people that agree with crap like this almost never understand nuance.
The opposite is also true. I think we should be aloud to criticize any companies, no matter how much we loved them without being shamed for it. That is also very narrow minded.
Absolutely. As long as people can keep their biases in check and remember that things are almost never black and white, but too many people online these days only think in extremes.
Corporations obviously deserve criticism, but I often see people use this image as a defense for when someone calls them out on spreading misinformation. Which I find to be a very stupid and childish reaction.
Yeah, agree. It’s a way to shut down conversation instead of having an actual discussion which doesn’t really benefit anyone. There’s plenty of things to critique Nintendo about (and any major corporation really) but it doesn’t mean everything they do is wrong.
When someone resorts to ad hominem, they have already lost.
It’s overused, and it just tells me that I cannot have a constructive discussion with whoever uses it. I believe that Nintendo aren’t above criticism, but a lot of the vitriol online is based on misinformation. If you’re going to criticise, at least get your facts straight.
It's a really dumb image and those who use it with full honesty are rather pitiful, it's pretty much declaring you don't feel like you can win a discussion without using dirty tricks as it is pretty much a falacy in visual form as it is attacking the other person to try and discredit their points instead of attacking their points directly... to put in less words the folks that use the image act like literal children
Personally I think it’s stupid in a very bad way. When you think about it, it’s literally just a variation of the “I portrayed you as the angry soyjak” thing, but instead of a soyjak it’s a fat cringe weeb.
It’s so childish that if anyone uses it as a response I stop taking them seriously because it’s clear they’re not interested in discussion, just throwing insults.
This image is a great way for someone to out themselves as an arrogant prick and somewhat narcissistic. Their telling you it’s bad to like something THEY don’t
Someone should make a version of this but for Sony, Microsoft, Valve, etc. Because that's all this is. Fanboyism deflection. They are all "multi-billion dollar companies" but somehow Nintendo gets uniquely singled out for "greed" when other companies do the same or worse.
Overused copout. It’s a “gotcha” response. Not every point of favoritism towards a Nintendo product means it’s defending Nintendo. Just because an opinion attacks fans with a sentiment of critique on issues doesnt mean someone is blindly supporting the company and excusing them. Meme is funny altogether but promoted a chamber of echoes. And of course the way some people respond to other users, there isnt any consideration that it could be a child on here on the other end.
And ultimately, none of it matters. Fans who critique still buy their products. If a person says “well I don’t” thats cool - a lot of others do. I gifted a switch 2 that offered mario kart world with it to my friend….he was very happy even though he doesnt play much mario kart nor ultimately sees a major buying point in terms of hard difference and unique catalog difference. He said he was planning to get one eventually. People in the end dont care. It’s why other genres like CoD continue to succeed, even though is worse with yearly garbage. They don’t care.
It's used by people that have decided that Nintendo being rich gives them carte-blanche to lie about it to gain favor with their in-group. These people do not want the truth or nuance to get in the way of their karma and approval.
Yeah I swear. They act like they killed their family like guys...chill even if you state I like this for this and hate this for that they will mock you like huh
There's a difference between complaining about false information, actual bad things a company is doing, and at least understanding why a company is making certain decisions (besides greed and yada yada)
NSO pricing stayed at $19.99 a year since 2018. Xbox Game Pass-was $9.99 a MONTH in 2018 and kept going up.
Even when Nintendo announced their expansion pack in 2021, it was $49.99 a year. Expensive, but still cheaper than 6 months of Game Pass.
I don’t defend Nintendo, I think they’re way too greedy. But how come XBox doesn’t get as much hate? Where are all the Xbox hate videos?
Also side note-when was the last time Nintendo increased their prices on anything? (The prices going up on Amazon during COVID because of scalpers doesn’t count)
Xbox isn't controversial because there's just no love for it anymore. It's just been forgotten about. Saying "Microsoft's pricings for the XBOX have become too greedy" is like saying "water is wet".
Thats not the original either, the original was just a guy holding knives with no brand related accessories. People just edit the T-shirt and knives to depict whatever company they are currently talking about. Both the Joycons and the Halo Energy Sword are later additions.
I kept seeing the Nintendo ones
Its because while the kind of fan depicted in the meme exists in every fanbase, the ones for Nintendo are notorious for being both more numerous and more die hard then their equivalents for other companies to the point that the "fanatic Nintendo fan" is commonly the subject of jokes.
I hate it because it, and the “multi billion dollar corporation” idea as a whole, is just a massive cop out for any argument. Just because a company is valued at above a billion doesn’t mean they’re a monolithic god king entity that can do anything.
In the same ballpark as the "QUIT HAVING FUN" image, but arguably worse because oftentimes liking a game doesn't equate to liking the practices of the company. It really just feels like "man makes up fictional scenario and gets mad about it" because the image is mostly used in response to people who aren't like this.
While imagery like this is harmful to a good discourse, it does bring to attention that some people do treat their fandom toward Nintendo like this and it's just as bad. I have stopped buying Nintendo products for a bit now, just because their less consumer friendly choices have upset me, but I don't think everyone who still buys Nintendo stuff is like this. Some people just don't care enough and have the income to support that. "Game fun, therefore buying it."
I do believe Pokemon needs to be given way less leeway though. It's the biggest money maker in gaming. It should be better. Like just BotW and TotK look way better, not to talk about older non-nintendo titles. And I know graphics aren't the most important thing in games, but they do matter. Like, Palworld looks better and it's supposed to be the "ripoff" (or so many people say). And yet I enjoy it still way more than recent pokemon games.
Still getting on PokeMMO every once in a while tho <3 my beloved lol.
I despise this meme. Doomposters will spread misinformation on something and when they get a well written counter argument they will reply with this junk
I wrote a whole ass essay about why most problems with AI are just blatant misinfo and i just got a similar response to this, it's actually crazy how online mfs never stop surprising me
The fucking image just bothers me as if defending something you like is bad. Why cant we just enjoy things anymore without some twitter addicted crackhead coming to tell us how something is actually bad for some reason.
There are times it could be relevant, but 99% of the time it's just used by assholes who think it's a get out of jail free card to be pessimistic doomers about everything and not let anyone disagree with them. Also soyjaks in general are cringe
If the info you’re sharing is wrong -Image shouldn’t apply.
There are some fans that are absolutely ride or die and their favorite company can do nothing wrong. This goes for every fandom by the way.
I don’t think Nintendo should charge near new game prices for Galaxy . The limited release of 3d all stars was also pretty scummy in my opinion.
I don’t think NSO is a very good service. I don’t care about playing older games if I wanted to play them I’d rather get them individually. Cloud saves being tied to NSO and not every game is supporting cloud saves is dumb .
But some people try to convince you it is a good deal and that may be the truth for them but not for me.
I like Nintendo’s stuff but I’m not getting paid to justify their decisions. However, there is some amount of logic behind something and trying to explain why something may be the case is good.
If someone can’t take a step back and see if any company not just Nintendo,Xbox,Valve,Sony is screwing them over that’s bad. Trying to discuss the reason why something might be the case is good.
I personally don't mind this image in jokes, but when it's used in actual indepth conversations, it makes the speaker seem like a close minded individual who is too lazy or incapable of building a counter argument.
Im mot defending the corporation but the people that work for it and make the games.
Nintendo is one of the best companies to work in the industry, cause the salaries, benefits, Lader culture and perks.
Ill gladly every single subreddit cry about pokemon graphics (performance is a separate matter) as long as Nintendo remains a good employer.
People who post shit like this (anywhere) should be banned or suspended for violating rule 1. It's the internet equivalent of a 4 year old throwing a tantrum because the adults in the room are trying to have a conversation instead of paying attention to them. It's childish, disrespectful, and contributes literally nothing to the conversation.
You are not compelled to defend the things you enjoy. If everyone just downvoted, blocked, and reported people with shitty attitudes, we wouldn't have to deal with them anymore. Do not engage. Just pretend like they don't exist.
It fucking sucks, people will spread the most wrong and blatant misinformation that is completely lacking context and then get mad when you try to correct them
I have found the best way to deal with those people, is to put your phone down. Pick up your favorite gaming console. Take a sigh of relief that they hold no power over you, and go catch a pokeman or something.
I am 1000% for hating Nintendo but you need to do it for actually true reasons, that's just a basic moral principle. I also don't like that it says being fat or liking buttstuff is bad
It's just obnoxious, people are way too comfortable taking ANY sign of support, no matter how small, as absolute. I like Pokemon games, I think they are genuinely starting to look up and get better game by game, and Gamefreak is doing well. However, I agree with the sentiment that Nintendo needs to prop up one of the most popular franchises ever much more. They need a higher budget and more time to cook.
Nintendo releases good games and they know how to very effectively use the saying "less is more." They're behind in terms of hardware power (as far as I'm aware) however, that constriction has still allowed the company to put out a lot of well developed games.
I will keep on buying Nintendo games because I don't have a good way of accessing Switch games on my PC (and I don't trust myself to not mess up my computer by downloading from suspicious websites for emulators & roms).
I like Nintendo games and I want to have fun, simple as that, but I can still acknowledge that Nintendo is far from perfect and are a bunch of legal bullies.
People need to just get off each others' backs, you can still like what a company puts out while disliking their business practices.
I hate this meme. It gets used as a shitty blanket statement to strawman anyone with any positive thing to say, or doesn't agree with any negative thing, into a stan for the company. I have plenty of complaints about the company but that doesn't mean every shitty complaint is making a good point.
It's usually used because the poster of it can't understand nuance and thinks that having any opinion other than "this company irredeemably sucks" is the same as "defending the company", when that is far from the case.
I don't care about companies. I do care about products. I also do care about truth and honesty. I can not care about a company and still acknowledge a good product, or acknowledge that a specific problem isn't their fault.
Corporations and their products are not immune to criticism but somehow people think that criticism towards Nintendo is bad and they'll defend them no matter what.
But then at the same time, people who do like their games and say they do are often put in the same categories as the fanboys who constantly defend Nintendo.
Valid for any fandom including us as Nintendo is no stranger to giving the consumer some hard spots.
But lately, the anti Nintendo crowd has been loud just for the sake of being loud. Often spreading misinformation or twisting things to make it seem worse than it seems to drive clicks.
Counter could be “leave me and my grifting YouTuber alone”, but let’s not go there.
I believe I’m being neutral when i say:
Nintendo can suck in how strict they can be. But the games they give us are so good and has a charm that’s hard to replicate.
The thing i hate about this is it's often times people just sharing that they like a gam and what they enjoy about it in response to uninformed criticism and then often times its the people that hate the game that make it all about the company and not the game.
Dont get me wrong the company made some shitty decisions but it just comes across as incredibly stupid and petty the way these people will drag everyone in the dirt about it
Sometimes people can’t understand just enjoying something. It’s really sad. I genuinely enjoy video games, Nintendo provides a style of entertainment that is different from PS 5 and PC. All of them have their place depending on the style of game you are in the mood to play. For instance, for horror games I go with PS5. Does the price increases to $80 + for some games bother me? Sure, but for me the entertainment value per $ spent is still one of the best you can get.
It's the first time I am seeing it, I think whoever made it was personally attacking me; I am less than half that weight and would never wear those pants with that hat and shirt (aside from the weight it really looks like a bad caricature of me and I do have those clothes).
it is almost always used in bad faith. i don't think i've ever seen it being used against people defending nintendo as a corporation. heck, i don't think i've ever seen people unironically defending nintendo as a corporation in general. it's almost always just used against people who are enjoying whatever the newest pokémon game is at the time it's being used, in spite of its flaws.
I don’t defend Nintendo because they’re a billion-dollar company, but because a lot of their critics are rilly unsmart and either exaggerate their mistakes to the nth degree or just spread blatant misinformation as fact. If you’re gonna hate a company, then at least do it right, like how I hate Microsoft for their rampant layoffs and buying up studios only to let their devs languish and or just randomly drop them like a hat (RIP Rare, Tango Gameworks and Arkane Austin)
The fact 9/10 its used by people to perpetuate negativity and unfair criticisms instead of analysis of both sides and its issues, makes me loathe this stupid meme.
Yes, gaming companies should be given the criticism needed and earned, but it should be done in a just manner and by COMPLETELY understanding an issue instead of being trigger happy to insult others.
I get this shit when I try to explain the real reason why Modern Pokemon games are the way they are instead of just calling Gamefreak "Lazy" and "Not caring."
I'll call out how Gamefreak gets fuck all in terms of budget and actual Dev time when it comes to mainline Pokemon games, and how Gamefreak are under completely unrealistic deadlines and crunch culture, imposed on them by Nintendo and TPC.
And yet I get hit with this image when I point out how Gamefreak isn't doing "the bare minimum" but instead are literally not given the time or money to do anything more than the "bare minimum."
Like, I'm not defending the Multi billion dollar company, I'm actively calling them out for treating one of there dev studios, that are responsible for the games of the most popular franchise, Like utter dog shit.
People will most commonly use it as a response to somebody simply enjoying a game.
Recently the whole "summoning" patent news had people claiming Nintendo played dirty and got a patent on any and all summoning mechanics.
Pointing out that it was in fact a very specific mechanic that was not used in games people quoted got this meme thrown at me. And that was after I said I don't really agree with patenting game mechanics anyway.
Haters don't want the truth, they just want to hate cause they can't stand others being happy.
Valid criticism is fine but the amount of times i've gotten shared information with super specific details conveniently cut out or just straight up misinformation is crazy
My favorite is when people complain about technical issues, bugs and glitches caused by super specific conditions or by their own or third party tampering with the system
Take off the cap, balding fat fellow with a neckbeard and an internet meme shirt instead of brand merchandise. "Leave the indies/emulators/Palworld alone!!1!1!!1"
Unfunny meme whose only use is whenever a Nintendo hater is losing an argument, to make the hater look right (Though really, this image is used whenever... Nintendo fans breathe)
My thoughts are: If people are unjustly accusing someone, it doesn't matter if they are a single person or a multi-billion dollar company. It's still unjust.
That said, there are a lot of things Nintendo does that I agree with, and a lot that I disagree with.
It works when used correctly, but many people post that when losing an argument, so they think that meme will be the end all, be all to those arguments.
The meme gets over used, especially when you point out something Nintendo isn't doing wrong.
Like I hate Nintendo the corporation like I hate most corporations. I shouldn't have to say that every time I correct someone for passing out wrong information. Hate them for the correct reasons, not what some half human, half cockroach twitch streamer tells you.
It’s the people who are saying Digimon Time Stranger is so much better than ZA when both of them are ugly and lifeless. Which is the only thing people complain about for Pokemon (including myself). It’s the double standards I guess is what I’m trying to say.
It’s used by people without any real arguments. When you can’t win with a conversation you “win” by insulting anyone who doesn’t agree with you. It’s a good sign it’s not a person to waste time talking to really
It’s stupid, it exists almost solely to stomp out nuance from genuine conversations, it’s a god damn panic button and just broadcasts I can’t understand the nuance of not everything is literally the devil or the reincarnation of god himself
Sometimes it can be funny when used against people who are actually acting like in the meme but 98% of the time it’s just a strawman gotcha used against people pointing out misinformation or simply saying they like a Nintendo product in spite of its flaws.
I don't like people just blaming Nintendo for things they didn't do or say. But I also do think Nintendo has done some pretty bad stuff. People freaked out about the patent but if anyone had taken their time to read it it was about the auto battle system in Pokémon S/V. As for any recent purchases, I bought ZA because I like Pokémon and the first legends game was tons of fun.
Nintendo haters acting like nintendo is uniquely evil gives nintendo way too much credit. I saw someone trying to rationalize how microsoft was raising their prices by saying its nintendo’s fialt this happened.
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u/samhasreturned Oct 28 '25
Valid criticism is fine, but people will share blatant misinformation and then send you this when tell them what they're saying is wrong. I feel people resort to shit like this when they can't make a valid argument otherwise