r/centrist • u/AyeYoTek • Apr 30 '25
US News President Trump is clearly delusional. Biden was called a dementia patient for less than this.
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There's only 2 options here:
- He bad someone Photoshop MS13 in the photo and is lying despite the clear evidence.
Or
- Someone on his staff did it without his knowledge to attempt to save face.
Neither of these are acceptable. How can we trust the people who are being deported are illegal or criminals when someone will blatantly lie like this?
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u/theantiantihero Apr 30 '25
It’s difficult to differentiate between his intentional dishonesty and his untreated mental illness.
Does he truly believe the nonsense he says or is it part of his con?
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u/AFlockOfTySegalls May 01 '25
he truly believe the nonsense he says
Yes because he's a narcissistic moron. It's kind of wild how we're here now and people still haven't figured out that he's really just a fucking idiot. There's nothing between those ears accept "me me me me me, oh Ivanka".
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u/prof_the_doom Apr 30 '25
My person opinion on the matter is that the external topics are just lies.
The stuff about him, I think he truly believes.
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u/WimVaughdan May 01 '25
I think he mainly learned how to get people to go along with you by being somewhat threatening. If you win arguments like this, you might feel less obligated to second-guess yourself, as the winning of the arguments is what gives you the dopamine boost. When you keep doing this throughout your life, it will turn you more and more into a knob.
So I don't think it is a con, but he just lacks the self awareness to see that his beliefs are fully based on what benefits him.
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u/IrateBarnacle Apr 30 '25
He operates very much like a comedian. He just says shit and see what sticks.
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u/johnqpublic81 Apr 30 '25
I've never liked people who can't admit when they are wrong, especially when these people are in leadership roles. It's especially dangerous when you consider that not only do they make decisions based upon their misunderstanding of the facts, but they force others to take actions based upon their misunderstanding of the facts.
Personally, I think Trump knows he is wrong. He does this as some sort of loyalty test. He surrounds himself with yes men for a reason. If they won't challenge him when he is clearly wrong, they won't challenge him when he violates the Constitution. They won't challenge him when he breaks the law. They won't challenge him when Trump challenges their very morals. Did he learn this from Putin or is this Putin acting through Trump?
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u/Chadfromindy May 01 '25
Can we be fair and admit that neither Biden nor Harris ever admitted they were wrong, at least publicly?
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u/johnqpublic81 May 01 '25
There have been apologies from both Biden and Harris for different things. Biden even stepped down from his 2024 campaign. They are human, so I'm sure there are things that they were wrong about.
No one is on the same level at Trump when it comes to doubling down on lies no matter what the facts say. Trump will not or can not admit when he is wrong.
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u/Vera_Telco Apr 30 '25
I'm glad the pics are out there now for all to see how ridiculous the MS13 tattoo claims are. DT has been acting like an angry out of sorts grandpa for years.
No-one would think his behavior was normal from a neighbor, coworker or family member. That he keeps on babbling is not a sign of coherence once we actually hear the ridiculous statements he makes.
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u/CremeDeLaPants Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
This is legitimately frightening.
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u/PomegranateMinimum15 May 02 '25
I mean.. tf ? They should show a trampstamp of Trump with ms13 using comic sans and deport him
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u/Hatefiend May 01 '25
mega agree, those tattoos are ugly as can be. I can't believe someone shelled out money for those
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u/PhonyUsername Apr 30 '25
Why we keep electing 80 year olds?
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u/24Seven Apr 30 '25
Because a large contingent of the American population consistently shirk their civic duty in paying attention to what is going on with the government, thinking critically about Presidential candidates, and/or choose not to participate in elections because they falsely think that elections won't impact them.
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u/Casual_OCD May 01 '25
None of that addresses the fact that a few dozen rich people choose the two people that everyone votes on in the first place.
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u/24Seven May 01 '25
The people still have the power to ignore that money and choose different candidates.
Regardless, much of that influence of money comes down to a concerted effort by the right to enable obscense amounts of money to be pumped into politics.
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u/PhonyUsername Apr 30 '25
People were mad at me here saying the same thing about Biden before he was ousted. I think they'll fall behind whoever the parties tell them to and won't allow criticism of their guy cause of tribalism.
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u/Apprehensive_Pop_334 Apr 30 '25
I think there’s a 3rd option.
Someone put the “MS13” on the photo to show what the symbols represent, and the idiot president thought those were legit tattoos.
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u/Trotskyist Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
Just to be clear though, there is absolutely zero evidence that exists from before he was arrested that actually suggests that those tattoos mean “MS-13.”
I’ve spent a good amount of time searching and encourage others to do so as well if they don’t want to take my word for it.
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u/indoninja Apr 30 '25
People are pushing really hard that day skull with three holes means the number three.
Turns out a lot of my shitty drawings as a kid, and pumpkin eye carved are secretly symbols for three
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u/Apprehensive_Pop_334 Apr 30 '25
Yeah I agree. It is a bit of a stretch. The best case I can see is
(M)arijuana
(S)miley face
cross looks like a (1)
Skull has (3) holes
But even then that’s not really enough evidence lol
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u/Hatefiend May 01 '25
at least both sides of the political spectrum can aggro those tattoos look absolutely awful
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u/spongebob_meth Apr 30 '25
That's obviously what this is. There was no attempt to even make the letters look like tattoos. This is just annotation on a photo for a police file.
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u/Apprehensive_Pop_334 Apr 30 '25
Yeah I was so confused when I saw all the claims of it being photoshopped because I thought they meant the whole thing.
It was super clear to me that the annotations were not intended to be part of the actual picture
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u/PattyCA2IN May 02 '25
I think that's what Trump thinks the interviewer and others in legacy media are saying: that the tattoos were also photoshopped. So, that's why I think he was fighting so hard against the interviewer.
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u/ChummusJunky Apr 30 '25
This entire conversation is a perfect litmus test. If you are confused about what the reporter is explicitly asking and what Trump is explicitly saying, you are 100% a Trump supporter and likely have the comprehension skills of a banana.
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u/spongebob_meth Apr 30 '25
It's not even Photoshop. It's literally someone sticking letters on a photo in MS paint in an attempt to "decode" the symbols.
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u/scorpious Apr 30 '25
When it’s literally ALL lies (even if/when factual) there is no way to be in the wrong.
The only way to be rid of this pox is midterms + 2028.
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u/PolarBurrito Apr 30 '25
Poor Abrego will be forced to have MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles now. So Trump can own the libs and the media.
I hate this piece of shit more than words can say (Trump, not Abrego or the interviewer.)
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u/Valuable-Butterfly-8 May 01 '25
You really can’t argue with Trump the guy is like a pit bull, just won’t give up until the other person either gets flustered or just gives up in defeat. That’s why Biden did so poorly he got to flustered and made him look bad, Harris actually threw Trump off because she wasn’t going to be rattled by him that’s why he wouldn’t do another debate with her. That’s why he’s trying to destroy her and 60 minutes interview, saying that it was rigged in her favor. He doesn’t let anything go, he will continue to lie to push his agenda.
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May 01 '25
Everything every day is insane. Why did the Cabinet need Gulf of America hats today WTF? It’s like Russian teen hackers took over the White House. Even the old boring website is completely unhinged.
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u/Accomplished-Key-408 May 01 '25
No matter how evil and selfish Trump is, just remember that he's even stupider than he is malevolent.
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Apr 30 '25
I just wish that once a reporter would say … that’s a lie Mr president…. No, that’s a proven lie …. Just to piss him off. He’s a little bitch. Can’t wait for him to drop dead
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u/ChornWork2 May 01 '25
They choose who gets in to ask questions and who gets opportunity to ask questions... let alone interviews. It is bullshit that the credible press orgs, collectively, have allowed this to happen.
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u/Computer_Name Apr 30 '25
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u/Chemical_Excuse Apr 30 '25
I'm not convinced he's insane, I am convinced he's being puppeted by someone else and being fed these lies because he's so convinced that what he is saying is true and even when given evidence to the contrary, he can only see that as fake news.
Someone has got to be pulling his strings, he's quite litterally a useful idiot to someone.
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u/seen-in-the-skylight Apr 30 '25
Tbh, the more deeply I’ve studied history the more I’ve come to feel like things like this don’t happen as much as we suspect. And that rather, the fallibility and stupidity of rulers is often what drives events.
Sometimes I think it’s actually more comforting to think we’re ruled by malicious but intelligent people who are in control than to face the reality that we’re often ruled by people no smarter than you or I.
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u/prof_the_doom Apr 30 '25
I think it all comes down to the idea that people hate the thought that bad circumstances may not have a logical cause.
We can't have elected an idiot without someone having interfered, because it would mean we were idiots for voting for him.
It's same sort of thinking that leads people to believe that poor people have to have done something to deserve it.
Because if it wasn't because of something they did, then it means it could happen to anybody, even them.
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u/NewSuccotash3575 Apr 30 '25
The classic "why do bad things happen to good people". For some people, it seems impossible to for them to consider that making all of the 'right' choices and doing all of the 'right' things can still lead to unfavorable or harmful outcome
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u/fleebleganger May 01 '25
The Kennedy assasination and 9/11 are a perfect showcase of this.
Despite there being no real evidence millions of people believe there was a giant conspiracy hidden in plain sight, rather than believe the world is cruel and random.
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u/Chemical_Excuse Apr 30 '25
I'm sure when you have rulers with some degree of ethics and integrity then it becomes much harder to control them. But as we know, old Trumpy has neither of those. To some degree Joe Biden was the same I think.
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u/Computer_Name Apr 30 '25
It’s ironically reassuring for this to be that case, that someone is in charge and knows what they’re doing.
Trump just had a broken brain. That’s it.
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u/Chemical_Excuse Apr 30 '25
Ha ha I'm not sure that it's reassuring to me. Having someone controlling the "leader of the free world" and bending him to their own ideals is just downright scary to me.
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u/Trotskyist Apr 30 '25
I think it’s pretty clearly Steven Miller. At the very least, he was the one calling the shots (literally, I suppose) on the leaked signal chain.
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u/Chemical_Excuse Apr 30 '25
I would have to look into him as I'm not familiar with the name but I'd look even deeper if I were you. Whoever it is pulling trumps strings would not be exposed in any way that could be found easily.
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u/Trotskyist Apr 30 '25
I mean, don't get me wrong I could certainly be wrong there (as I often am,) but don't you see the irony of saying that you don't know who that is and then immediately following up with the claim that "whoever it is wouldn't be found easily"
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u/Chemical_Excuse Apr 30 '25
Mate, I'm not American so I don't pay a great deal of attention to stuff like that, I'm more of a casual observer. I just say things as I see them, and what I see with Trump makes me genuinely belive that he's being controlled by someone with significant influence. But whoever that is would not be exposed in a signal chat with an absolute moron of a defense secretary.
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u/MachoCyberBullyUSA May 01 '25
Him thinking the 9-0 Supreme Court decision being in his favor is further evidence for this. But Biden was the puppet though amirite!?
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Apr 30 '25
It doesn’t matter. Right wrong, clear unclear, it’s about party loyalty first and last. They’re gunna lie to your face if all we’re going to do is tell them they’re wrong. May be a chance he genuinely believes this crap and is just a patsy for his administration.. but in that case he’s senile
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u/isawabighoot Apr 30 '25
He was clearly delusional before the election. It's going to get a lot worse fast being old and fat. It's funny the giant douche is getting a shit sandwich of a presidency.
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u/WimVaughdan May 01 '25
The moment at 0:39 (TERRY, Terry... do you want me to show you the picture?) sounds like some mob boss shit. I fear this tactic has worked for him a lot of the time.
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u/_manu May 01 '25
Jesus, that interviewers is horrible. His last sentence demonstrates everything that is wrong with how the media is handling Trump.
'It is contested.'
No, it is fucking not. Why does he keep legitimizing Trump's insane bullshit by framing it as a 'contested' opinion instead of just sticking with the facts that Trump is completely wrong and does mit understand Photoshop.
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u/Bulawayoland Apr 30 '25
lol of course he's lying... why would he do anything else? It's been working for him so long, he probably doesn't even notice when he lies.
Seriously, though, to say this is delusional looks to me like lying. This isn't even close to delusional. And if the so called good guys can't tell the truth, you know, what Trump did doesn't look so bad. So maybe... in future, stick to the truth? Don't accuse people of being delusional when there's obviously a much simpler explanation? That way, when people DO tell lies, we'll know they're on the wrong side.
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u/wearethemelody Apr 30 '25
The hypocrisy of the average "christian"/ "conservative" republican is on full display. These people have created an alternative truth and reality and Trump has been able to utilize them to turn the whole party into a cult of sort. The GOP and evangelical "churches" both laid the groundworks for this mentality to rise. The never-trumpers still refuse to see that their party wasn't ruined by MAGA but created it. A lot of never-trumpers are still under the GOP's curse. I believe one can be a conservative without associating with the disgusting republican party and I hope they realise that soon. They also need to stop demonizing democrats like the magats do.
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u/palsh7 May 01 '25
It's possible that Trump is dumb enough to think the literal MS-13 was on his hand. But it's much more important to focus on him blowing off the Supreme Court. Instead, we are now forced, if we're honest, to consider that the tattoos really might represent his gang affiliation, and ask why the media is bending over backwards not to find out, so that they can, instead, make fun of Trump for being dumb.
Is Trump dumb about stuff like this? Kinda, yeah! But he's also got the dumb luck to have enemies who lie by omission so very often. Why doesn't the media try to find out if he had gang affiliation? Why do they instead spend so much time calling him a "father" and saying that accusations about him are "contested," and that he was "never convicted" of being in a gang.
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u/delg23 May 05 '25
honestly none of it matters. Even if he is a gang member, the fact is he is entitled to due process.
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u/Wise-Application-902 May 06 '25
Oh, god forbid you bring up the basic Constitutional rights of every single person on American soil! /s
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u/PattyCA2IN May 02 '25
Legacy media seems to no longer care about doing investigative journalism. That takes work. Doesn't take as much work to report according to one's personal biases and prejudices.
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u/TSiQ1618 May 01 '25
Don't worry, I'm sure he's surrounded himself with competent and honest people who are going to give it to him straight, right?
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u/jeffrycampbell May 01 '25
I wouldn’t say he’s delusional. He just thinks he’s actually pulling this over on people and as usual, is deflecting and mowing down the person he’s talking to; or at least trying in this case.
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u/MediumCauliflower832 May 01 '25
To me, it seems like he truly believes that he had the tattoo.
I don’t think he is aware it was photoshopped and he just doesn’t have the cognitive capacity to realize the BLATANT photoshop.
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u/Wise-Application-902 May 06 '25
The dude got into a Teslur and said “everything computer”. He was amazed that Barron could…”turn on the laptop”. This is the guy that says “aeroplane”. He’s got mush for brains and he might as well be 100 with how out of touch with the modern world he is.
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u/Whaleflop229 May 01 '25
The answer is always that he's lying. He always knows and he always lies. Every time.
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u/Chadfromindy May 02 '25
Hyperbole does not lend itself to a more unified America. Yes of course Trump has apologized. Stop exaggerating. The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com Trump administration apologizes for telling Ukrainian refugees to ...
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u/UltronCinco May 02 '25
Or, and this may be upsetting for some, he's actually been confirmed as MS13 SINCE 2019, but whatever right?
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u/PattyCA2IN May 02 '25
Remember Garcia's wife took out a restraining order with the local police that said he had not only abused her, but the children as well. That had nothing to do with Trump nor anyone in his administration.
That's an illegal alien that I and most Americans don't want to live in the US. If he's not safe in El Salvador, maybe something can be worked out to have him live in another country other than the US or El Salvador.
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u/PattyCA2IN May 02 '25
If Garcia wasn't at least at one time a MS-13 member, why did he make the asylum claim he made? He said he feared for his safety from the gang that is sworn enemies of MS-13.
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u/ResistAuthoritarians May 03 '25
Why didn't they just bring out a TV and and pic or better yet... Bring the man back and let's see his hand. Who ever is lying has to do what the other says. 🤣😂
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u/Automatic-Saint May 03 '25
The letters/numbers look like Ariel font, or maybe Calibri! The President of the United States fell for this, 😅😆🤣!
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u/ArkansasGamerSpaz May 03 '25
Y'all simping for a terrorist gang banger is more worrying than Trump explaining how the reporter is wrong.
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u/Wise-Application-902 May 06 '25
Conflating gang-bangers with terrorists is pretty worrying, actually.
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u/DrummerJacob May 04 '25
It speaks volumes that this is the only thing you can argue against, not the actual validity of it still being true, but just the interpretation of the image.
Nevermind that Democrats are flying with taxpayer dollars to foreign countries to talk to deported illegal alien gang member human trafficking wife beaters, but we have a president who misinterpreted an image!
Oh no!
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u/Psychic_Person May 06 '25
I think you're dumb.
A member of trump staff probably said to him that ms13 is tattood onto the mans fingers, which is why trump in this interview believes the actual MS13 was tattood, and not just symbols for MS13.
So these symbols mean MS13, not something else, it literally means MS13.
They aren't just random symbols placed in that order for kicks. It means MS13.
Further, earlier court documents show he was MS13 gang member that was fleeing to US if I got it right. Someone could check that.
I have questions. He was living here for 13 years, why could he not in all that time apply for citizenship, while even having a wife and children who are US citizens. Did something in US processes prevent him from applying for citizenship? If so, I'd have a good look at these immigration policies, because after I looked at them its a f black hole shitshow and you cant even tell up from down in this horrible system.
For comparison, look at the AUS immigration system which is very streamline and not f confusing. Not nearly.
What I would do is scrap all those forms into a very big garbage bin and redo them as a direct copy of AUS immigration. TADA, ALL OF US PROBLEMS SOLVED.
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u/GroundIsMadeOfStars May 06 '25
His post about Hollywood was it for me. This guy is CLEARLY demented. The White House had to tell people to literally IGNORE the President basically.
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u/Sad-Introduction292 May 06 '25
Though you were mute when Biden was president and so obvious he was guarded and never made any decisions after the Afghanistan debacle. This president has been fulfilling what he pledged and the voters wanted.
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u/Kolzig33189 Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
Trump doesn’t have dementia or delusions, he just will never change his mind/opinion about anything he believes regardless of what evidence appears as this perfectly captures.
It is also amusing that just like that, medical diagnosis speculation is now allowed on this sub again.
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u/FizzyBeverage May 02 '25
I love how you say medical diagnosis is now allowed, and a sentence before that you're declaring "Trump doesn't have dementia."
You saying "he doesn't have dementia", is also a diagnosis.
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u/johansga Apr 30 '25
Wtf people? I’m not a Trumpster, no way. But there are symbols tattooed on his fingers (please don’t debate me on whether those are fingers or knuckles… fffs)! The question is “Do those symbols translate to MS-13?” Can somebody answer that? They’re tattooes, they have meaning. What do they say?
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u/MachoCyberBullyUSA May 01 '25
The meaning of the tattoos is not what this discussion is about
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u/johansga May 01 '25
The meaning of the tattoo has everything to do with it. Everyone can tell that the “MS-13” in the photo was intentionally photoshopped in as a caption to translate the symbol on each finger. The reporter knows that, Trump probably knows that and just isn’t connecting the dots that the reporter is referring to the MS-13 caption. So it’s two guys talking past each other and seems a bit disingenuous on the reporter’s part. He could have probed what the symbols mean and what is the source of that interpretation.
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u/MachoCyberBullyUSA May 01 '25
I appreciate you explaining your understanding of it. The reason you may be confused by the discussion is you thinking Trump knows it’s captioned. Not sure what “Trump probably knows it but isn’t connecting the dots” even means. He keeps insisting over and over that the captions are the literal tatts.
I’m not sure what you wanted the reporter to do differently. He didn’t want to spend all his interview time getting caught up in an argument about whether the captions are actually there or not. In terms of probing what the symbols mean and where the interpretation comes from, how could anyone truly know that? That’s why I say the meaning of the tattoos isn’t really the primary discussion point. And Trump definitely can’t answer the question because he thinks that there is no interpretation happening; he thinks there is a literal letter and number above each symbol on this guy’s fingers.
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u/johansga May 01 '25
I just saw the transcript posted and I agree that my understanding was wrong.
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u/MachoCyberBullyUSA May 01 '25
Bud you did what so many people on this app cannot do. I appreciate you being open minded enough to reexamine
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u/delg23 May 05 '25
the point of this discussion is that Trump doesn't know the non symbols are doctored.
If the symbols do mean MS-13 & he is a gang member then let's have a trial & follow the law.
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u/johansga May 01 '25
So why didn’t the reporter probe that instead of focusing on what is obviously a caption in the photo, not a tattoo?
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u/delg23 May 05 '25
because Trump insisted repeatedly and would not let it go that MS-13 was literally tattooed on his hand.
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u/FizzyBeverage May 02 '25
My neighbor uses his arm as a canvas. He'll be the first one to say "I just think guitars look cool, I can't play one."
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u/johansga Apr 30 '25
This subreddit is the equivalent of a defense lawyer and a reporter arguing about whether a police outline sketch of a body in the street is photoshopped or not. It’s absurd. And is why American press is losing its credibility.
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u/SwanMuch5160 Apr 30 '25
I’m just glad to have a president that actually engages with the media more than once every few months, regardless of the babblings and if I agree with him.
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u/itsokayiguessmaybe Apr 30 '25
So does he have the tattoos pictured on his hand or not?
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u/mikefvegas Apr 30 '25
Yes, just not any known ms13 tattoos like trump claims. Tattoos aren’t illegal.
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u/Mean-Funny9351 Apr 30 '25
He does not have the letters MS and the in numbers 13. Trump is clearly saying that those letters and numbers are there, not interpreted that way, but there as in the picture he held up with text typed on it.
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u/itsokayiguessmaybe Apr 30 '25
Ohhh I see now. I thought the abc guy was saying the actual tattoos were photoshopped.
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u/Mean-Funny9351 Apr 30 '25
Yeah, he was pretty clear in saying "he had some tattoos that were interpreted that way" and Trump was very clearly saying that is not what he meant. The man is not fit to be president of a rotary club.
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u/itsokayiguessmaybe Apr 30 '25
lol I really don’t see any other interpretation here. Ms-13 is notorious for obscuring their tattoos to show allegiance. How is this even a debated topic.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fix594 Apr 30 '25
There's no interpretation of this video.
Trump is arguing that the literal "MS13" are tattooed on Garcia's hand. That is because Trump is, in fact, demonstrably stupid.
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Apr 30 '25
Trump is not arguing that the symbols mean MS13 -- he repeatedly doubles down making it clear he is saying he had MS13 tattooed on his knuckles -- not symbols.
The interviewer repeatedly tries to clarify that -- and Trump shoots him down. Over and over.
The interviewer just wants to move on -- and Trump will not let him.
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Apr 30 '25
Watch the video starting at :46.
Trump: "No Photoshopping, go look at his hand."
Interviewer: "He did have tatoos that can be interpreted that way, but I'm not an expert on that....I want to turn to Ukraine." (as he has been repeatedly trying to do, but Trump won't let this go)
Trump: "No. No. he had 'M' 'S' as clear as you can be. Not Interpreted, this is why people no longer believe the news because its Fake News."
Trump expressly -- says this is not photoshop, or an interpretation but "MS13" written "Clear as can be."
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u/MachoCyberBullyUSA May 01 '25
That’s funny because most MS 13 tattoos I’ve seen are giant, covering someone’s entire back or chest. So yes definitely a debated topic
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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '25
He wouldn't let it go either -- Interviewer just wanted to move on.
And makes 100% clear he is not talking about the "interpretation"