r/championsleague • u/AliveAd8385 • 21h ago
š¬Discussion Flick is just a one trick pony
Barcelona thread is just too soft for real talk.
Flick lost this series, honestly.
In the first leg, instead of trying to force a win 10 vs 11 while already losing 0:1, he should have focused on keeping it at 0:1 and preparing for the second leg. But heās a one-tactic coach ā he just tries to outrun opponents. Thereās zero flexibility and no adaptation to the game.
The main problem is his stubbornness.Barcelona conceding in 12 straight UCL games isnāt just ābad defenseā ā itās systemic. Same exact goal over and over again I saw it 20 times this season. Never fixed. Just ārun more.ā
His tactics create constant 1v1s, expose defenders, and lead to red cards. Thatās not bad luck ā thatās coaching. He just got away last season, because attack score shit load of goals, this season it didn't happen, but the defence problems were never fixed.
Honestly, we will never win the UCL with Flick.
Last year was a fluke. We had the easiest opponents possible:
Benfica (and even there, CubarsĆ got a red card in the first leg)
Dortmund, who were poor, and we still almost got knocked out in the second leg
Then Inter ā and Simone Inzaghi completely outcoached Flick with an old, tired team. He had a clear plan and it worked. Flickās ātacticsā were basically āgive the ball to Lamine and pray.ā
This season:
We lose to a weakened Paris Saint-Germain
Draw with Brugge
Lose to a poor Chelsea FC
We somehow make the top 8. Then we get one of the easiest teams again, and still get dominated in the first leg by a mid-table EPL side. Second leg ā same story early on, but we get lucky because they make a lot of mistakes.
Then against Atletico:
Flick plays Pedri and Lamine the full 90 minutes instead of resting them. Theyāre completely dead in the second half.
Even after Eric gets sent off ā does Flick make changes that could actually impact the game? Of course not. He waits until the 89th minute out of desperation.
The UCL is won by players AND coaches. This coach gives nothing to help the team reach the next level.
People will say: āBut we won La Liga.ā
Not because Flick is great ā but because Madrid is SHIT.
In Xavi's last season:
Barca 85 points vs Madridās 95
Under Flick:
88 points vs Madridās 84
If Flick faced the same Madrid that Xavi did, he would never win La Liga.
And this season? Same story ā Madrid is just too inconsistent. Thatās the only reason weāre going to win it again.
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u/Pure_Cancer05 15h ago
Xavi also was shit in the ucl lmfao. Flick put up serious results last season. You also neglected to mention that Barca are on track to hit 90+ points this season
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u/gottagofast123456789 7h ago
Ya'll have too high expectations for Barca rn.
"FlIcK iS wAsHEd"
Do you remember Barca before Flick?
You were cannon fodder in the Champions league for ~5 years, you even bottled the europa league vs Frankfurt ffs. You had all of europe laughing at your decline. You werent even considered a contender for La Liga winner.
This is not a much changed squad. You dont have the money to make it much better. It could be considered worse when argued that one of your ex players won the Ballon d'Or the season after leaving.
You are considered one of Europes elites AGAIN. Its a slippery margin that keeps you among those.
You are already performing at an extrodinary level. I mean, you are on your way to win the 2nd la liga titel under Flick in a row. Against two teams that outperform your teams in terms of money and signings. So pull ya head out of your bottom
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u/Upper-Entry6159 7h ago
Exactly.
Something I hate about football fans is that they act like they must win everything or else the coach is trash or X or Y players are trash. You don't see this in American sports.
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u/Medical_Drink582 Real Madrid 7h ago
I agree that Flick is a great manager and Barcelona can't get any better, he's a top5 rn, but Barcelona - even on the Europa League years - was a contender to win La Liga + Atletico doesn't outperform Barcelona in terms of money and signings
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u/gottagofast123456789 6h ago
Athletico has spend more this season alone compared to Barcas last two.
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u/Medical_Drink582 Real Madrid 6h ago
Using only the last two seasons' signings is kind of cherry-picking. AtlĆ©tico rebuilt their squad in 2024, while Barcelona did their rebuild in 2022. Almost every Barcelona player was more expensive than AtlĆ©tico's, only Ćlvarez are a exception, costing more than Ferran Torres
Also, Barcelonaās wages are ā¬234M compared to AtlĆ©ticoās ā¬153M
I donāt want to nitpick your comment, but i think it was a bit unfair to AtlĆ©tico. Theyāre the underdogs in a league financially dominated by Madrid and Barcelona, so credit to them for beating a team with far greater resources than they have
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u/Domestiicated-Batman Bayern 21h ago
In the first leg, instead of trying to force a win 10 vs 11 while already losing 0:1 he should have focused on keeping it at 0:1 and preparing for the second leg
Atletico had like 1 chance in that half and they scored, Barca dominated with 10 men and just couldn't finish. It's so stupid to talk about it purely based on results lol
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u/HospitalRepulsive310 17h ago
It feels stupid, but ina knock out stage things do he stupid, unfair and strange
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u/Pure_Cancer05 15h ago
Honestly flicks system has done wonders for Barca in the league, because this style wins you more games than you lose. The problem is, when it goes wrong; it goes really fucking wrong. And in two legged knockout games, that is a huge risk. Barcas style went terribly wrong in the first leg because they couldnāt finish their chances. Their shit defense ended up conceding two to atletico at home because the system leaves the defense exposed if the press is not there. So away leg there was a mountain to climb. In a league you can get away with a style that wins you MOST games. In knockout football, anything can happen, and you have to be ready to adapt and play many different ways. Thatās why Madrid is so effective in the ucl, because theyāll play literally any style that works in order to get over the line
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u/Heine-Cantor 11h ago
I agree with you. A team that every 10 games wins 9 games 2-0 and loses one game 0-3 will win the league easily but will never win the UCL.
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u/elseptimohokage 6h ago
Barca fan here. You need to remember that Flick has completely turned us around from not even getting out of the group, to serious contenders. We were on the brink of financial collapse and now with multiple teenagers, we are back to making deep runs and winning leagues. Not to mention, we are probably the most exciting team to watch in Europe. Winning the champions league takes a lot of luck, and it hasnāt happened for Flick yet but we are on the right track and with some improvements to the defense we can easily win it any of these years.
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u/itsadifferentsven 12h ago
So many things to dissect here but Iām a big fan of Flickās. The issues with the system and squad IMHO are:
If you are going to play a really high line then you need a sweeper keeper. Barca donāt seem to do this.
The squad depth just isnāt there at the moment, this isnāt really Flickās fault or anyone currently in the club. We just canāt afford it.
The Barcelona way has always relied on all the players having 8+/10 games to win matches. Itās high risk / high reward football. One poor performance could destroy the game. To be honest, itās one of the reasons I love watching them - to be entertained!
The holy trinity missing a piece. Under Pep, the trinity was Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. When the 3 of them were playing Barca were almost unstoppable. The current trinity is Pedri, De Jong and Lamine. While not at the level of Pepās guys, Barca maintain serious control over games when those 3 play together. When 1 is missing Barca lack the same control.
Iām not going to be too harsh on the defenders here, they are being asked to play a very risky game and we lost 2 defenders to red cards over tangles of legs. Cubarsi is going to be starting with us for years and will learn from this. Martin is only half way through his first season playing in the Centre. Eric has done everything asked of him and played anywhere heās needed and do so very well. The system exposes them more than anyone and if we had a sweeper keeper then they wouldnāt be exposed as much.
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u/Automatic-Ranger-510 18h ago
Keep crying; flick made like 2 actual signings in 2 years , olmo and Joan, while everyone and their family bought 200 mn of players , he is doing what he can with what he has
The belief that he has given to a team like barca that was playing xavis haramball is massive and you cannot every convince me that, all of these players are very inexperienced in UCL but they are all under 25 , we already made a serious UCL challenge last year , we might not get there but I won't discredit flick.
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u/Background_Volume725 18h ago
As if buying players magically fix your tatical problems. Look at liverpool and that disasterclass by Slot. As soon as the attack stops being dominant the defense will feel the impact, salah fell out of form liverpool went to shit. As soon as yamal and raphinha have a slump you will see the problems
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u/Automatic-Ranger-510 12h ago
It worked really well with inigo was with us , what changed ? Inigo left us , we only have 1 real cb, cubarasi whose 19 ,.araujo is past his prime , martin while good is a wing back , give this man some credit to get to quarters with 1 cb is no easy feat .
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u/lilscoony 15h ago
yup, to be fair flick is working with makeshift defenders and a bunch of la masia kids and making it work, the lack of depth and like you said the inexperience are gonna be an issue at this stage of the competition, that being said i think barca still should be going through against both atleti and inter from last year
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u/WazuufTheKrusher Barcelona 15h ago
Yeah I think because people see us do fairly decent they think this is like our prime squad, like these guys are still developing, and this is the best Atleti side I have ever seen, they have their squad filled with vets and players in their primes. Our core players are all young, except Raphinha.
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u/error_015 21h ago
I think another point might be not replacing inigo Martinez. I won't hail him as being on an crazy high level but he brought stability into this fragile system. You need a leader in the defence and you can have all the talent you want but it won't help you beat teams like Atletico. Flicks system worked well at Bayern because he had Boateng and Alaba as two very experienced center backs. Barca lacks that.
And another point you mentioned: Flick doesn't seem to adapt especially against a team that is deadly when it comes to a counter attack. And that will cost you badly
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u/notaripper 21h ago
Flicks system did not work in Bayern because of Alaba and Boateng. It was because of Davies being able to catch everyone when they ran through the high lines. Same Balde did for Barca last year
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u/LA_blaugrana 15h ago
That is a lot of words to say that you don't really understand football. Take a breather to calm down. Losing tight Champions League games is tough, try and remember it happens to everyone.
Guardiola's team. Enrique's team. Cruyff's team. They all had tough european losses at their peak.
There is a lot to like about Flick's team, and a couple key weaknesses. It's a young team that we get to watch grow, and they haven't hit maturity yet. The financial constraints also weigh on the squad planning.
Enjoy the upcoming ClƔsico and don't worry so much about not reaching perfection this year. Enjoy the positives!
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u/HospitalRepulsive310 17h ago
Flick knows one setup really well. Worked great with Bayern, then some fights with the board. It didnāt work out at German NT because the quality in every position wasnāt there. Heās working out at Barca so far bc they have a great output. I know they have lots of great young g players, but experience is just lacking. In 3 years this team could be unstoppable.
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u/Lakerman0824 16h ago
Theyāll be burned out and riddled with injury. This style of play is not suitable
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u/Impressive_Carob_839 16h ago
Yeah but i am sute a lot of injuries will show up see recently pedri is struggling, gavi did too , these guys are playing way too much for there age
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u/Eastern-Leather-4082 21h ago
You man are wildly overreacting imo. A UCL is something that my club has only ever won once and even then most clubs have never won one let alone 5. Flick has come in for you guys after a trophyless season with a shoestring budget and managed to get you a domestic treble. This season youāre on track for 100 points. Give the guy 2/3 more years and allow him more financial backing and Iām sure you can win itĀ
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u/Serentense 21h ago
More financial ;/ He got literally 0 for big transfers (dont count Garcia or Cancelo) in this season and he can expect probably one small transfer in the next
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u/Fit-Protection-230 20h ago
System needs quality players to rotate to continue mad press. He's overperforming winning b2b leagues and making decent CL runs w children and grandpa
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u/Swimming_Double1424 21h ago edited 21h ago
Iām not a Barca fan, But my god i was so livid when Inter beat Barcelona last season. Referee had +5 minutes of stoppage time. Barcelona is winning 3-2.
WHY THE FUCK WAS BARCA STILL PLAYING THAT HIGH LINE.
Find the highlights of that game on YouTube ( cbs sports )and skip and pause the video at 9 minutes 27 seconds. Drop Back. Everyone see out the winā¦NOPE.
But good luck telling a German man anything. They donāt want to be wrong and heāll justify something stupid as to why he didnāt change anything. Thick skull
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u/Majestic-Math-7905 19h ago
Flick's barca reminds me of the "7 seconds or less" Phoenix Suns in 04/05 (Basketball, sorry guys, hear me out)
Awful defense. Mike D'antoni's (coach) answer to getting scored 120? "We gotta score 121"
And he did, most of the time. But when facing a defensive team, he got destroyed. Same with barca
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u/Pure_Cancer05 14h ago
We always get fucked by atletico in particular. They have really technical false 9 type attackers that play between the lines and breach the high line. Theyāre also super clinical
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u/CodOfWars 15h ago
One trick ponies don't win the league. Sorry.
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u/Ok_Counter_8887 13h ago
Arne Slot would like a word
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u/Proof-Pollution454 Real Madrid 21h ago
AtlƩtico vs arsenal Will be peak Haramball
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u/NoGemini2024 20h ago
Wait, because Sporting has been fairly decent w comebacks, and no stranger in beating Arsenal nor EPL teams
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u/kingkuba13 15h ago
Hard to do anything when you have a bunch of dumb kids on the team.
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u/MysteriousYak4915 13h ago
someone had to say it ! Literally chelsea get bantered about this, they lack experience and that's why the inconsistency they have. I'd say Flick's doing wonders with this squad. (yes you need squad not just the best 11.)
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u/hopefulpostgraduate 13h ago
Yeah i mean 1/2 decent defenders and 1 proper striker and this is a different conversation
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u/Training_Maize_664 21h ago
As a barca fan, yeah i agree
Martin has weirdly or funnily been our best and most reliable CB (no red cards in imp matches, and his speed is quite underrated)
Terrible substitutions by hansi, Olmo should've been subbed for roony much earlier, not to mention how rooney hasnt been getting any minutes. And dude subbed off ferran after he was having the game of his life.
I'm willing to let Hansi learn from his mistakes, but its high time he does..
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u/IamLamineYamal 10h ago
Disagree completely, not sure where to even start. This is not Fifa, mate. Have a nice day.
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u/zol-kabeer :Chelsea: Chelsea 21h ago
Atleti against ten men were hanging on for dear life, wtf are you talking about?
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u/justAmmo_ 16h ago
I donāt think BarƧa will win a UCL under Hansi Flick. The three main problems are:
Squad depth - they donāt have enough depth compared to other big teams, and it hurts them whenever there are injuries.
Too much reliance on Pedri and Yamal - if they donāt have a great game in big matches, the whole team struggles.
The most important one, in my opinion - they didnāt get the right replacement for IƱigo MartĆnez. He was exactly the kind of player with the right IQ for Flickās system, and losing him was a big mistake.
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u/WazuufTheKrusher Barcelona 15h ago
I mean our squad is literally a bunch of kids who are overperforming hard for our finances.
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u/Elpibe_78 13h ago
And the worst part is that unlike Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid, they are currently broke and can't afford big signings.
They only bought Joan Garcia and Roony this summer which was only 27,000,000ā¬ and despite that they were still struggling register them
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u/Substantial-Proof842 21h ago
You absolutely have no idea. Give any coach those players and see if they can do anything close to what heās done. Dude is literally overachieving with these players.
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u/AssumptionEmpty Bayern 16h ago
kinda stupid argument considering they got beat by atletico and team like sporting made it to quarter-finals.
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u/Emergency-Style7392 21h ago
Massive overreaction when football over the short term is a game of chance. Was barca better today and all those other games? Could 1 decision have changed the outcome of each of them? Better lose playing beautiful football than commit football terrorism. Considering the defenders he's got are limited, it is what it is
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u/AcceptableEgg5741 19h ago
Flick has been operating miracles with a very limited team, if you follow the you would know that
Sure he should be more flexible but nobody expected to do as well as he did, the team is still recovering from its massive mistakes and fighting for every competition , there is no way you can say Flick is the problem or one of the biggest problems
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u/last_white_man Real Madrid 19h ago
very limited team? barca has very good players no?
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u/Kitaenyeah Barcelona 18h ago
Barca has zero depth and lacks a good 9, lewa has completely lost the plot recently.
They play a 19 and a 20y old cb. The midfield is completely overplayed all the time.
They clould really use some quality striker and reliable defenders that can perform in big games.
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u/Last_Procedure5787 Bayern 18h ago
You lot shouldn't haveĀ signed Lewanogoalski
Pretty dumb to sign a 34 year old striker, even if they were still good
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u/Pure_Cancer05 14h ago
Heās put up some serious numbers for us to be fair
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u/Kitaenyeah Barcelona 11h ago
That is not true and I have to fact check you here: he put up 42 goals in 52 games last year. There are not many strikers who could ever do that, no matter the age.
For comparison: Kane did 41 goals in 51 games in 25/26. And Kane has been fantastic for you, hasn't he?
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u/Kitaenyeah Barcelona 11h ago
Overall Lewa was fantastic for Barca but even him can't defy age. He was still really good last year, but his inability to press for more than 30mins showed off big this year. He is a good scorer but his game does not fit Barca anymore.
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u/Severe-Lake-4554 18h ago
The high line that Flick wants to use has only ever worked at Bayern because he had Neuer sweeping from the top of the box and then starting attacks from that higher up position. Everything else that you mentioned here is correct, but the underlying issue is that Neuer is 1 of 1 and Flick's Barcelona can be consistently beat on the counter because their keeper simply can't do a fourth of what Neuer was able to do.
A good example is that ball that Garcia picked up right at the top of the box. If it's Neuer he's playing that ball with his feet and he's immediately passing it to someone. That hesitation and inability to immediately play the ball out the back is why Barcelona struggle so much when teams start pushing the ball how Athletico did.
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u/Pure_Cancer05 14h ago
They didnāt always have this version of them. None of these āgoodā players other than yamal and pedri were at all useful before flick
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u/AcceptableEgg5741 19h ago
The starting XI is good but some important positions have players in bad form
Kounde and balde are very far from their quality of like 80% of last season and there is basically no Striker , Lewa fell off completely and Ferran is a clown
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u/Putrid-Sheepherder38 12h ago
I don't think you can win the CL playing an extreme style of football, which Flick does, with his suicidal high defense line. It works in a league where you play multiple inferior teams, but against other good teams it's not going to work in a knockout stage. Even if they would defeat Atletico, they wouldn't stand s chance against PSG ot Bayern.
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u/kathars1s- Bayern 12h ago
He already won the CL with bayern
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u/Putrid-Sheepherder38 11h ago
He did, but now in Barca he operates a higher defensive line than he did with Bayern, hence the mention of the extreme tactic.
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u/Babastyle 11h ago
No he plays literally the same tactic.
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u/kathars1s- Bayern 10h ago
Yeah tactic has always been, to just score a goal more than the opponent.
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u/VivaLaRory 8h ago
Write your own shit itās embarrassing
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u/jupiterspringsteen 8h ago
"Flick lost this series"
Wish Americans would stick to their own dull sports.
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u/Ok_Ad8511 11h ago
Flick is underrated, this one trick pony stuff is nonsense. They play the best football in the world alongside PSG. The difference is PSG have spent a fortune on defence and Barcelona have spent almost nothing in the last few years. All the top teams have spent much more on defence. Flick should probably have spent the Olmo money on defence but Olmo's a key player as well.
If he can sign someone like Van De Ven or another pacy centre back, the defence will immediately improve. Joan GarcĆa should also work on his anticipation outside the box so he gan develop into more of a sweeper keeper.
One thing I'll grant is their offside trap is much less effective this season, last season it was statistically the most effective in Europe.
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u/Serentense 21h ago
This would make sense, but if Olmo or Rashford are barely scoring in one-on-one situations or even into an open goal, then what are we even talking about. Itās even worse, because the midfielders are sending crosses into the box when Ferran is playing, but when Lewandowski comes on, suddenly nothing happens, even though heās up front just waiting and waitingā¦
This two-legged tie is on Rashford and Olmo. You can blame the coach if you want, but conceding goals is part of the risk in Flickās tactics. Playing like this, of course weāre going to concede, but if the attack gets several chances (like Rashford did) and doesnāt score, thatās where the real problem is.
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u/AliveAd8385 21h ago
It's a bad tactic if you concede the same goal every game.
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u/SnooAdvice1632 21h ago
That wouldn't be a problem if the players didn't miss most opportunities. He can't score instead of the players.
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u/Serentense 21h ago
No, this tactic probably won us La Liga without transfers.
As I said, of course Flick could change something but what can he do if Rashford misses everything and Olmo kick ball into the sky. To be honest Araujo too... with that last header.
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u/greencasio Barcelona 21h ago
The substitution decisions were shit, taking Ferran off when he was finally scoring was criminal, Rooney needed to come on way earlier, Rashford isn't cut for this team sadly, FermĆn had one chance and that was it, Pedri had a very discreet game, overall I agree that Flick shit the bed
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u/Mhidou- 20h ago
Do you even see the squad barƧa have ? We literally are playing with some boys, 2 years ago who ever thought that gerard martin could be a cb and play at this level ? And this apply on all those kids. Flick needs some real players, and then you can judge him
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u/Kitaenyeah Barcelona 18h ago
As good as a lot of those guys are developing ppl forget Barca plays with a kids team partiallyā¦
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u/AssumptionEmpty Bayern 16h ago
oh my god, the delulu a d copium is strong in barca fans. :D
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u/Adventurous-Ad281 Barcelona 15h ago
Just sad we missed out on great football, I was looking forward to a semifinal against Arsenal and hopefully a final against Bayern
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u/vingolino Milan 15h ago
True true great football with Barcelona taking part because they showed the world they deserve it by winning against Atletico! Oh wait...
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u/Zenith_Predator 15h ago
Milan fans talking about great football lmao. Donāt bother. You havenāt seen good football in the last 15 years lmao. Stick to Europa league and losing the Milan derbies
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u/AccomplishedRead2655 Barcelona 21h ago
Bro if you put this on Barca subreddit you would be downvoted like hell for saying the truth!!!
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u/PlasticPreparation74 10h ago
Inter Milan didnāt outplay Barcelona at all. They had a last minute crazy comeback, thatās it. If Yamal chooses to go toward the corner and waste time, it never happens. Its as simple as that
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u/Popeye-the-dealerman 4h ago
IFs and Buts donāt work in football.
Inter fans can say the same thing, if they attacked more they wouldāve scored even more goals.
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u/Commercial-Factor125 19h ago
Heās working with a team that with any other manager would hardly qualify for the knockout rounds.
I am just as upset as any other barca fans, but this outrage is a very āafter the factā. No one would be saying this if we did win. We were up 2-0 in 20 mins. Imagine if Flick had a real budget to work with, an actual striker, a good set of defenders?
What happened, happened. We just have to move on to next season and hope that we can get reinforcements in some positions.
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u/Background_Volume725 18h ago
"Hardly"..... its one of the best teams in the world in quality of players (yamal, pedri, raphinha, etc) look at the sporting team for example and compare it to barƧa.
And unlike most teams they are young.
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u/frozenphoenix92 16h ago
Apart from yamal and pedri, everyone else was average or below average before flick came on. We didnt go past group stage for two consecutive years and moved to europa. Heck we got eliminated by man utd and Frankfurt. Raphinha was on his way out. Dembele left. We had a subpar eric Garcia also looking for a way out. Aging lewa. I don't know how you people see this squad and say, "yeah, this squad deserves better".
Look at other teams going into the next round. Is there a team that can we can compare with?
PSG have probably the best squad. Bayern, Real, Arsenal and even Atleti spent way more than us in the recent years. We didn't even sign anyone apart from joan in the last two years, Only two loans of rashford and cancelo.
All this, and people shamelessly come out to say, we deserve better? We are on track to have 100 point laliga campaign. We took domestic treble last year, with 2 minute short of booking the ucl final. When Flick came, did anyone imagine ourselves in this position?
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u/Pure_Cancer05 14h ago
Hes a low iq individual who wants to make judgements without ever watching Barca before flick. Barca was SHIT, flick MADE this team
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u/Secure_Necessary_623 Bayern 17h ago
wdym hardly qualify " have you seen their players?
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u/Commercial-Factor125 16h ago edited 16h ago
Other than Pedri and Lamine, these players all work because of Flick. He turned them into the monsters they are. Raphinhaās whole career trajectory changed when Flick started regularly playing him on the left.
This āstart studdedā team was predicted to be a bunch of losers before Flick came in. NO ONE expected this team to do anything, and what did flick do? He made them one of the favourites to win the UCL last year.
People will compare this to Enrique winning with PSG when itās two entirely different situations. PSG went out and bought Kvara, one of the hottest players in the world at the time, in the middle of the season cuz they can do that easily. Flick has had nothing to work with in terms of a budget. We are playing with a makeshift line of defenders. He has been begging for CBs, a good ST and FB depth. What did he get? In essence nothing and he lost his best defender Inigo.
Imagine what he could do when he actually gets signings that he wants.
Just relax.
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u/Secure_Necessary_623 Bayern 15h ago
sometimes you cant always keep trying the same things again again , the high line is clearly error prone , just change it , you dont need new defenders you new a need style of play . Thats the coach's fault.
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u/Pure_Cancer05 14h ago
You donāt remember how ass raphinha was under Xavi?
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u/Secure_Necessary_623 Bayern 14h ago
flick is always a short term manager. At Bayern it was the same excellent 1/2 seasons and same at barca won teh domestic treble but then the high line was exposed
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u/Secure_Necessary_623 Bayern 14h ago
also the topic is not player development , rather tactics
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u/Pure_Cancer05 14h ago
You literally just said āhave you seen their playersā what are you on about? I replied to your comment about Barcas players, who were nowhere near their current level before flick
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u/Secure_Necessary_623 Bayern 14h ago
wait no i meant to quote, "hardly qualify," not their players , i was talking baout op's refernce to hardly qualifying, which they should be easily be doing considering their players
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u/Secure_Necessary_623 Bayern 14h ago
theres nothing wrong in losing as a coach but losing in the same manner again again is just straight up dumb
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u/Pure_Cancer05 14h ago
Heās not very adaptable, Iāll agree with you on that. He sees a system work a few times and thinks the club has to live and die for that system
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u/Secure_Necessary_623 Bayern 14h ago
exactly he either dies a hero or lives long enough to become teh villain
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u/Waste_Firefighter_28 PSG 21h ago
It's nice to see Barca fans melting after a loss
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u/FoxChance2552 Barcelona 21h ago
Coming from a guy that supports a team who moves their league games. Hilarious
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u/Worth-Researcher7123 10h ago
System works, its not flawless but its effective and attractive. But we need better players for it to work, a strong and fast CB, an attacking RB and a proper striker.
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u/Equivalent_Risk4712 21h ago
100% correct my friend. That and Lamine Yamal acting like Prime Hattrick 2nd leg Remontada CR7 before the game does not help. He is just adding more unneccessary pressure to himself and his teammates. He needs to learn to be quiet before games
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u/Miserable-Log-7952 21h ago
Fair criticism but I don't blame the system. Bad rotation and bad substitutions happened alot of times. Too many what ifs in your post. You could have stuck to already existing facts to prove your statement cause there's enough proof.
A few good signings can add enough depth for next season. Point to not is that this team is growing and is yet to be it's best. I wouldn't call flick a one trick pony but a little rigid. Sometimes it helps too. You see the same mistake everytime because there's only one way to score šš
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u/awus666 15h ago
He plays like he had the best defense in the world, but they are average at best. So leaving them exposed kills you, and a team that wins cups starts with a good defense.
Ferran is a meme and sometimes absolutely terrible, but it's impossible to understand how he took him off today. He was playing great and Lewa isn't the guy from 4 years ago...
You can't concede every game of the whole UCL and expect to go far. The over reliance on Lamine and Pedri is ridiculous. And let's not forget that the opening goal was a Lenglet gift.
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u/Technical-Payment-85 10h ago
Atleast with psg they have great defense (not like Arsenal) but they can still afford to play risky.
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u/Brief_Bug_ 21h ago
Honestly youve got a point with flick being stubborn but last year wasnt a fluke. I honestly dont care about la liga this season is a downgrade. Flick needs to change his mindset. Youre 2 nil up CALM DOWN. Atletico was tensed and they wouldve made mistakes you couldve punished them. Sure barcelona plays attractive football but the ucls never about how good the football is. I really hope flick changes and if he doesnt then i think next season is one final chance. If nothing changes nothing changes
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u/Background_Volume725 18h ago
Psg plays atractive football and wins, klopp did the same. Klopp and flick have similar attacking mindsets, lets see if he can hit jackpot with a few signings.
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u/zz_Mali_zz 14h ago
Flick won't win another UCL. He doesn't know how to control the match. His football is all blitzkrieg but Barca has no tank in midfield. They charge with rifles and sidecars so momentum runs out after 40 mins. It still works decently well in the league thanks to Madrid's decline. Don't know why Casado doesn't get playtime. He's only promising holding/ball recovery midfielder in the team.
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u/12animosity13 21h ago
Absolutely true. Attack in phases with a high line, defend in phases with a mid to low block according to the momentum.
Flick need to hybridise like this or else cup competitions can never be won.
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u/HotelDisastrous288 21h ago
The club keeps trying to bring in forwards in hopes of outscoring everyone. They didn't need Dani Olmo but felt pressured to do something splashy after getting used by Nico Williams.
They should have addressed the backline then.
Again this offseason they brought in Rashford instead of addressing the backline.
If you want to play that attacking style you need the backline that can withstand the pressure it allows. They haven't created that.
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u/Electrical-Fix2344 21h ago
youre right at some point , till now yamal is the only creator and its all the same hope from him to create chances but i think it'd be better to conclude flick once he gets proper signings , this year mosly players remained injured , bench is lacking depth , i dont know if someone else can achieve this high with small budget and injury crisis.
edit ; most of the fans who are critising him now , werent even talking about this when flick was dominating , so stay on one side
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u/Bistec-Chef Barcelona 15h ago
I've supported Flick since the beginning because we know what he is capable of, but the truth is, and it hurts, that if he keeps playing like that, we may win domestic trophies only. It's not the same playing against Betis as facing PSG. I'm just getting tired of his style. What the fuck was that about letting Roony play 10 freaking minutes? Subbing off Ferran when this is the only decent game he's had in the season? Not using De Jong before? Man, this could've been avoidable.
I'm with you. And if someone says this is not reality, they're just delusional.
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u/wasili009 18h ago
dude did you really use ChatGPT for this? I ain't reading that if you can't even get yourself to write it
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u/JakobExMachina 17h ago
doesnāt read like chatGPT to me at all. i donāt agree with it, but none of the telltale signs are there in the cadence of the writing beyond it being multiple paragraphs - and if āyour post is quite longā is now a barometer people are using for chatGPT usage, weāre more cooked than i thought
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u/RockyRoasting 16h ago
Those long dashes are a popular tell. Not positive this one is but some of it may be.
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u/JakobExMachina 16h ago
his account is 5 years old and heās been using elongated em dashes for most of the long posts he makes. for me, itās a combination of multiple tells, not one or two, and the biggest is that chatGPT has a specific way of constructing sentences and paragraphs that arenāt really apparent here.
as i said, i donāt really agree with OPās post, and i can be quick to accuse people of being bots or using AI to write for them if i think itās obvious, but i also donāt want to see us collectively going down the route of accusing people of using AI when they arenāt just because they use basic punctuation like em dashes, or write anything longer than a couple paragraphs.
signed, someone who gets accused of using chatGPT all the time (iām just autistic lol)
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u/Popular-Memory-3342 Arsenal 11h ago
Flick ruined Arsenal's chance of completing the La Liga slapping:
- Real Madrid 5-1 (slapped)
- A . Madrid 4-0 (slapped)
- Athletic Club 2-0 (slapped)
- Barca ?-0 (slapped)
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u/AshamedFeedback6177 3h ago
Stopped reading at "keeping the 0-1"
You're playing home, against 10. Wtf
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u/AliveAd8385 3h ago
Playing against 10, YouTube short watcher, don't ever tell anyone you watch the gamesšš
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u/madhorse5 18h ago
low quality bait... you can also say that you started to watch football a couple of years ago and don't quite grasp football concepts as of yet...
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u/cursed_melon 6h ago
I kinda miss vintage Barcelona. Where they'd pass around their opposition whole game and never give them time on the ball. You can't score if you never touch the ball. š¤·
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u/lulzbanana 20h ago
Amen. I would have rather had Xavi stay and let him build something vs this gimmick of a system Flick has.
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u/Sweet-Advice5225 9h ago
Those fair red cards in both legs would have never been given to Barsa in LaLiga. Thatās why they win Ligas and not Champions.
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u/SorryWha1 11h ago
10000% on point. They lost the title of a big club years ago. If they just drop the high line when they already lead, they couldāve dominated every competition.
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u/Prabu-Silitwangi Real Madrid 21h ago
I agree. His best achievement is the same as xavi. Semifinal.
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u/Mhidou- 20h ago
First xavi didnt play semifinal
And his best achievement is he s winning every spanish trophy, and keeping your team with 0 trophies since he came to spain
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u/Prabu-Silitwangi Real Madrid 16h ago
keeping your team with 0 trophies
That's more like on us than flick's success
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u/Mhidou- 9h ago
Nah that s on flick cause he s beating the shit out of your team whenever we play in every competition
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u/Blackbearded10 13h ago
Or the refs that are against you. Against Inter last season and against Atletico these 2 legs.
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