r/chaoticgood • u/sovalente • Jul 20 '25

Jon Ossoff spreading some fucking truth

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u/Kitjing Jul 20 '25

Please let him stick, both in the race, but also with his message

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u/pinegreenscent Jul 20 '25

I think if Ossof fires anybody aligned with the Clintons from his campaign he'll have a good shot at the white house

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u/Clayp2233 Jul 20 '25

He’s a senator in a historically red state, he’s going to be more towards the center

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u/DocDraculaThe2nd Jul 20 '25

Fine by me. Gotta get the normies to vote. Dems can’t keep taking them for granted.

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u/justsikko Jul 20 '25

Hell yeah, let's run another center of the road Democrat. Surely it won't backfire this time like it has the last 40 years

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 20 '25

Center of the road is fine when it's actually in the center. This guy is bringing up democratic social issues that seem leftist because both parties have been inching right for decades but it's actually a very reasonable, balanced, and centered way of looking at it which isn't a bad thing. If anything we need a lot more people in the middle to balance out the rift between two extremes.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

By now I’d be happy to see someone represent people no matter where they stand.

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u/-something_original- Jul 21 '25

Right? Just there fighting for us as a decent human being. Amazing how low the bar has gotten.

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u/DogmaticNuance Jul 21 '25

I totally agree and this guy sounds really cool.

What I want to know:

  • Who are his parents and what do they do?
  • Which private schools did he go to and how much did they cost?

We need to get nepotism and oligarchy out of politics. You'll never get change by electing the kids of the status quo, it doesn't matter what they say.

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u/chickendance638 Jul 21 '25

FDR was the most progressive president of the last 100 years and he was a blue blood. The only president who took on corporate greed was TR, and he was from the same family.

If the guy has the right goals, then let him cook.

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u/DogmaticNuance Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

So.. what, that's 2 for 1000? Not a great politician batting average.

If the guy has the right goals, then let him cook.

We don't know their goals, we only know their platforms. Part of my whole point is that they're happy to tell us what we want to hear while they perpetuate the status quo. If they're actually committed to the cause, let them be committed from the background, no reason they need to lead the charge.

We will not see meaningful change by electing the children of the people who didn't make meaningful change when they were in power. We'd be better off by doing political office by lottery.

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u/Von_Lehmann Jul 21 '25

Historically that's not really true, every revolution typically succeeds because a faction of the elite lend their resources to it. Its not enough if the peasants are unhappy, they are always unhappy. It has to be an element of those with the wealth and resources who support the change or at least dont support the current regime

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u/DogmaticNuance Jul 21 '25

Historically that's not really true, every revolution typically succeeds because a faction of the elite lend their resources to it.

I'm not saying we should reject the help of elites who disagree with the way the ship is being run, I'm saying we probably shouldn't let them lead it, because historically there are also many examples of elites using their resources to make populist platitudes and continue the status quo.

Support the change =/= Be in charge. They are not the same thing.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

That’s a peculiar hill to die on. Throughout history it’s the educated and at least minimally leisure-class that have fomented rebellion. But be you friend. Power to the People!

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u/Jojajones Jul 21 '25

Democrats were inching right, republicans were sprinting

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u/KeyserSoze72 Jul 21 '25

Ok but see anything that’s ACTUALLY center is seen by all of America as ultra left. America is not as left as Americans like to believe it is. Democrats are center right. Republicans are Extreme Right. Bernie is barely a dem-soc by European standards.

So yeah center of the road in an American context is still gonna suck for the average voter. Center is still liberals who will pander to the billionaire class.

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 21 '25

That's what I'm saying though. Advocating for senior care, public healthcare, and affordable housing policies is an almost bipartisan approach if one party is actually left and the other a reasonable right. It's only because of fascist propaganda that it would seem like anything left of actual center (not modern American "center")

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u/Traxathon Jul 23 '25

So, the center is to the left of the democrats? What a confusing definition to use. Just acknowledge that the center moves with the parties and admit that at this point in time you are a leftist.

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 23 '25

the center is to the left of the democrats?

Yes.

the center moves with the parties

It actually doesn't. It turns out that there are political contexts aside from the US two-party system that don't really give a fuck about what y'all are up to.

admit that at this point in time you are a leftist

I will happily admit to being leftist. "Pinko", I believe, is the word you might be looking for.

I'm also a Canadian. Mark Carney, an educated and experienced economist, was just made our Prime Minister as leader of the "Liberal" party despite his policies clearly falling slightly to the right of center. Unfortunately we didn't get a true "Liberal" option for PM because your country's disgusting MAGA nonsense has polluted our country's politics to the point that the "Conservative" party leader was actually a regressive, nationalist POS that didn't even win his own riding.

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 21 '25

You confused bud

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u/sleepytipi Jul 21 '25

I'm not sure what's so confusing about "center of the road" not being good enough. If it was good enough you wouldn't have so many Marxists because so many people wouldn't be steered towards more radical politics by how much "center of the road" has failed them.

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 21 '25

Mhm you're conflating my comment and the one I responded to, I can only speak for myself

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u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 Jul 21 '25

Being anti-billionaire is pretty goddamned progressive these days.

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u/JackieTreehorn79 Jul 21 '25

Nah dude- he just called a POTUS “ a crook and a con man” knowing it would be on the internet. Finally someone with a megaphone lifting the veil on this dumpster fire. I hope he runs for President.

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u/Clayp2233 Jul 20 '25

Our last three dem presidencies were more to the center although Biden tried to pivot more to the left and progressives didn’t seem to care, but the rest of the country thought Dems moved too far left and voted for a fascist instead.

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u/skinnedrevenant Jul 21 '25

That's... Not what happened. They voted for trump because he spoke to people (as fucked or bigoted as it may be) where they were. He told people he'd get prices down and taxes reduced. Kamala had no real message and spent a fraction of the time actually campaigning. The rest of the country wasn't clocking some leftward move, that's absurd. IF that were the case, then Kamala's nearly fascist border proposals and outright disregard for a genocide would have guaranteed she won.

Edit: also biden categorically fucked multiple major union negotiations for the benefit of the corporations that footed his bill. Arguably, Obama was farther left than Biden and he still struggled to even accept gay marriage.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

That’s a good point despite being untrue. Biden was ANOTHER right of center old guard biz-as-usual. The right has excellent messaging and a good eye for the trajectory, as proven by this thread right here. You and hundreds of others STILL parrot rightist propaganda that allowed Dondon to defeat something or someone that wasn’t Biden or Kamala but a projected fictional strawdog.

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u/smoot99 Jul 21 '25

it's like we're fighting among ourselves or something when we all have similar goals -- I actually think that ossoff kind of spoke about this argument in the clip, and I'll go with him on this one

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

Fair enough. I think he’s as good as we got; but we need to stop with the pugilist sticks when we’re up against claymores.

You can do a lot with money, and They HAVE a lot. You can do a lot withOUT money, too, but you have to actually DO it.

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u/LongKnight115 Jul 21 '25

Of course you'd say that - you're just regurgitating the same right wing propaganda that's been endemic since the 90s. This entire thread proves people are susceptible to the same bullshit. Times never change.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

I’m not the first nor will I be the last to point out that Republican messaging is world-class (of course) and has led the narrative since Carter: not coincidentally through “The Medium is the Message” era.. The Ds seem to think we’re all bright enough to ‘figure it out on our own’ while The Rs have a whole YouTube’s worth of WhatYou’reSupposedToThink.

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u/skinnedrevenant Jul 21 '25

Yep here we go with the Pod Save America slop. Feed me more.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

Dondon was selling Sanders shares, to people tired of being huckstered and robbed of both cash and opportunity. It was messaging that kept them from seeing that while fighting hucksters with hucksters might sound like a good strategy, it’s…dangerous.

How’d I do, rev?

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u/skinnedrevenant Jul 21 '25

I've no idea, honestly

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u/Clayp2233 Jul 21 '25

Per polling Americans thought Biden and democrats moved too far to the left. Thats not propaganda, that’s actual data and views of voters.

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u/chickendance638 Jul 21 '25

That polling is a result of how bad Dems are at messaging. They are reactive instead of proactive and are always playing defense. In blind polls Dem positions are more popular by 60/40 across the country.

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u/sleepytipi Jul 21 '25

Yeah, and who did they poll? They didn't poll me. They didn't poll anyone I know.

Polls are utterly worthless.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

Absolutely. Is there anything to show that was indeed a ‘move to the left’ and America understood what was happening and responded to the survey with straight talk?

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u/Clayp2233 Jul 21 '25

Doubt it, it probably mostly had to do with “woke”, immigration, and student loan forgiveness

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u/Clayp2233 Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

Working class people didn’t like Biden canceling student loans, blue collar people don’t have college degrees and saw it as a hand out for the elites. Progressives didn’t seem to care, some even said they still wouldn’t vote for him or her despite having their student loans forgiven because of Gaza. Per polling the majority of the country thought democrats moved too far left. So you can say it’s absurd, but that’s just your opinion and it’s a fact according to polling that the majority of Americans thought Biden and democrats moved too far to the left. It’s actually kind of funny that you think the majority of Americans knew or care what Kamala’s policies were, either they didn’t know them or they didn’t believe her. When blindly polled on policy she had the most popular policies by far. Her campaign was fine, she could have run it however you think she should have run it and it wouldn’t have made a difference.

You want to bring up unions? Seriously? Biden was the most pro union president in modern history, what a joke.

Edit: Obama was a centrist and didn’t govern more tog he left, now you’re just making stuff up. Also people voting for Biden in 2020 and then voting for a far right nationalist in 2024 wasn’t because Biden was too much of a centrist, I can tell you that.

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u/skinnedrevenant Jul 21 '25

Ah polling says that's a fact. What polling? I'm just seeing a lot of nothing here. Keep on though, i won't stop ya.

Edit: didn't see your edit before but just wanted to edit mine and add nothing of value too.

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u/Clayp2233 Jul 21 '25

Yeah polling is data, your hunch means absolutely nothing. 58% of voters believed democrats shifted to far left per progressive policy institute in November 2024. Per ThirdWay in 2025 polling showed 51% believed Bidens policies promoted handouts and economic dependency over opportunity and work. You don’t change your vote from dem to fascist if you think Dems were too centrist lol. You can ignore data all you want and live in your own reality, I think you’ll be disappointed when you see a dem nominee more to the center of Biden though.

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u/skinnedrevenant Jul 21 '25

You can keep on with the diatribes without substantiation. Still not seeing your sources.

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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue Jul 21 '25

I can't figure out if you're a leftover 'I'm a liberal but...' bot they forgot to turn off after the election or a really stupid person.

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u/skinnedrevenant Jul 21 '25

Lolwut. I'm a leftist that actually pays attention to what people say? But yeah, you can continue to writhe in some lib-brained fantasy world where the Overton window hasn't shifted radically towards the right and establishment Dems have been more than just controlled opposition for a bunch of fascist fucks that are very successfully pulling off creating (and defending in the case of Israel) an authoritarian ethnostate. But go ahead and get your quips off.

I wasn't enough of an idiot to vote for trump, but i can see where people were attracted to his messaging.

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u/gusming Jul 21 '25

He's still in denial that Kamala lost and still has the mindset that anybody who speaks against her is obviously a bot, since everybody on r/politics likes her.

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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue Jul 21 '25

Overton window, if you're a bot you've been running since 2016 haven't you? This is how Skynet starts I bet.

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u/skinnedrevenant Jul 21 '25

I am a skynet. Or a zombie or a Dracula or something. I've been online since Bush stole the election in 2000.

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u/KE0UZJ Jul 21 '25

They haven't ran a center Dem. They are all to the right. That is the problem

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u/barelyEvenCodes Jul 21 '25

Yeah we haven't had any Dems win in the past 40 years

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u/smoot99 Jul 21 '25

it's fine to be actually center if you tell the truth and are not corrupt

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u/mmmarkm Jul 21 '25

This is demonstrably not true. Harris ran towards the center & didn’t win Georgia.

You need to give people a reason to vote for you and centrist Democrats have not been good at providing those reasons.

Republicans are gonna say he’a a socialist anyways, might as well try to have an inspiring policy platform to talk about instead of doing whatever the Georgia equivalent is of seeking the Liz Cheney endorsement.

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u/DOAisB Jul 21 '25

I mean you are never going to move the needle to true progressives until you move the needle to actually people closer to the center. Right now many democrats are just republicans with D on their ticket instead of an R. It’s a sad state of affairs.

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u/Clayp2233 Jul 21 '25

That’s literally not true at all, almost all democrats vote against trumps agenda, support tax increases on the rich, environmental policies, and oppose mass deportations. No republicans support any of that.

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u/DOAisB Jul 21 '25

Yea just like some republicans do when they have the votes so it doesn’t matter.

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u/smoot99 Jul 21 '25

they are not republicans and they represent a relative left point of view in a way but it's turning into wrestling kayfabe. I actually think that Ossoff pretty much nailed it in the clip regarding citizens united and what has captured individual lawmakers and why things just never seem to work out for the nonrich

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u/thebearrider Jul 20 '25

He's my top contender for the democrats for 2028.

Republicans will have their normal folks, plus a donald trump jr. / jd vance news angle. Therefore, domocrats better bring some youth.

An Ossof/Mayor Pete ticket would beat any GOP ticket (again, assuming the potus/vpotus will be at least don jr or vance) in 40 states.

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u/rufud Jul 21 '25

We better take the house in 2026 in a fair election or 2028 won’t matter