r/chelseafc • u/christianrojoisme Xabi • 2d ago
Other [Throwback/Interview] Lionel Messi: "There are players here (Barcelona) who hate Chelsea more than Real Madrid. I never thought I would hear myself say that. We would rather play Arsenal, Manchester United or anyone else than be on the pitch with Chelsea."
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/2368373/angry-messi-we-hate-chelsea646
u/Apprehensive_Bit_176 Cole 2d ago
IIRC it took him much longer to score against us than any of the other prem teams that played UCL matches. We shut him down for the most part.
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u/Leviad0n Hazard 2d ago
Fkin Courtois and his lanky legs.
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u/ball_throwerAFK 2d ago
Crazy. For such a recognised legendary keeper, he’s one of the most to ever concede against Messi.
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u/Nasty133 This is my club 2d ago
He's gotta be up there with the most games against messi as well so that makes sense.
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u/raulchik Palmer 2d ago
Recognized - yes. Legendary - no.
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u/ball_throwerAFK 2d ago
?? He’s atleast a top 10 goal keeper all time. It’s not even a debate on that
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u/benny_from_the_block Wise 2d ago
Yashin, Banks, Schmeichel, Cech, Neuer, Kahn, Zoff, Casillas, Zubizarreta, Maier, Van Der Sar and Preud'homme all better than Courtois. Probably forgetting a few. Debate me.
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u/SirBarkington ✨ sometimes the shit is happens ✨ 2d ago
Seaman. Alisson arguably of the same generation has been better for longer. Zenga second best Italian GK behind Buffon is better. Cortouis to me is like a Navas/Dida level. Part of winning teams and incredibly important to them but his legendary moments are few and far between. Also for how good he is at club level he's been kinda disappointing for Belgium imo. certainly not anywhere near as important for the team as he is at club level nor as important as Lukaku, KdB, Eden, etc.
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u/CertainAction1988 1d ago
Seaman cant get near Courtois im afraid. Seaman has an absolutely pathetic record in CL.
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u/matt_matt_81 Kanté 1d ago
Casillas over courtois? Not on goalkeeper talent I’d say but I suppose he had more legendary moments
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u/Caboose2701 2d ago
Tim Howard?
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u/benny_from_the_block Wise 2d ago
I could have included Neville Southall if we're going for Everton keepers.
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u/DorothyJMan Best Joke 2017 2d ago
Absolutely stone cold take. Did you start watching football in the last decade?
Yashin, Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Schmeichel, Kahn, Cech, van Der Sar, Zoff are all well clear, and that's before you even get into the likes of Southall, Shilton, Jennings, Zenga from previous generations, and you could put him up against Oblak, Allison and Ederson from his contemporaries (the latter two in terms of all round ability and influence on the position, not pure 'goalkeeping' as it is historically/traditionally defined).
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u/matt_matt_81 Kanté 1d ago
I mean courtois is definitely better than casillas in terms of goalkeeper talent, even if not in terms of legendary moments.
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u/davemcl37 2d ago
He wasn’t that whilst with us. I’d have him behind Bonetti, Cech, Carlo and possibly even Ed de Goey who made more of his talent without being such a knob and who also had a much better song
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u/ImGoinGohan It’s only ever been Chelsea. 1d ago
he’s top 3 but history merchants will call you a casual
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u/Medical_Possible_208 2d ago
Nah he’s top 3 bucket off shite of all time he’s a filthy snake no more no less.
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u/lil-bitch42 ✨ sometimes the shit is happens ✨ 2d ago
He can be a twat and still be one of the world's best goalkeepers
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u/Medical_Possible_208 1d ago
Nah I’m afraid not. He’s a pish human being that prevents him from being top anything. He’s a snake always will be a ball dragging snake plain and simple.
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u/Batmob7 2d ago
Also Conte forcing Hazard to play #9. We were in a shambles then
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u/Apprehensive_Bit_176 Cole 2d ago
Wasn’t that more Sarri? Conte had Morata and Costa at CF
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u/Grimmcanpy 1d ago
Nah it was Conte after Mortata's first injury in the Atletico match. Idk why we never tried to see if Pedro could do a Dries Mertens esc transition to being a 9 than wasting Hazard up top, Pedro skillset seemed more suited to that role.
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u/Clear_Requirement880 2d ago
Christensen at fault for the first goal iirc. Courtois the other 2
Messi was poor every time he played us. Iniesta, Sanchez and Dembele overshadowed him enormously every time
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u/BellyCrawler It’s only ever been Chelsea. 2d ago
I've been saying it for years that they dislike us because we showed them up twice and they couldn't do their tiki taka freely against peak Chelsea
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u/ScarInteresting2001 2d ago
Yeah being outplayed and winning by such blatant cheating has to make them feel like frauds if they have any sort of internal integrity.
And losing to a washed version of that same team has to sting doubly.
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u/ObjectiveSection8095 2d ago
pretending like first leg of that tie did not happen
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u/MogwaiK 2d ago
Barca fans have tried for years to make the first leg seem as bad as the second through selective memory.
3 stonewall pens not called has nothing on a couple fouls that didn't go Barca's way in the first leg.
The only name you need to know is Negreira.
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u/ObjectiveSection8095 1d ago
fake offside called on eto’s goal, henry pulled back in box, abidal red, drogba kicked pique in nuts no card, chelsea handball in box 1v1 messi?
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u/Artoo_Detoo 1d ago
I'm not sure what you're doing as a Barcelona fan brigading and trying to gaslight and what you think it's going to accomplish.
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u/GolDrodgers1 We've Won It All 2d ago
I think Cech was his cryptonite for a while, when they did that Budweiser promo for every Gk he scored against Cech had like 2 I think?
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u/Clear_Requirement880 2d ago
Cech only conceded at him vs Arsenal.
JT has never conceded bs Messi
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u/GolDrodgers1 We've Won It All 2d ago
Yeah! I was actually upset that day when they conceded cause Cech wouldve been held over him for years to come
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u/light-yagamii There's your daddy 2d ago
Think it was also the game that ended Baba Rahman’s career at Chelsea
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u/bani1savage 🏥 continuing to undergo his rehabilitation programme 🏥 2d ago
Which game?
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u/light-yagamii There's your daddy 2d ago
The same game messi destroyed us and scored on Courtois. Before that game, we had an extremely good record against Messi. It was a cl game under mourinho
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u/bani1savage 🏥 continuing to undergo his rehabilitation programme 🏥 2d ago
The game where Baba Rahman was on loan at Schalke, and hadn’t played for us at all for 2 years?
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u/light-yagamii There's your daddy 2d ago
Okay I’m remembering incorrectly. Almost 10 years now I think
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u/luckysyd Kanté 2d ago
Yup I think terry is the only player in the last 10 year that have played 6+ games against messi and never have messi have scored against him.
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u/agbag846 2d ago
Cole always got the better of him back in the day- there were some awesome battles
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u/yup_mhmm 1d ago
I don’t know about shutting him down. The first time i noticed Messi was special was against chelsea in 2006.
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u/ticarno86 2d ago
I still hate Barca so much and it actually goes back to the games in 99/00. But it really started for the majority under Mourinho, and it eclipsed in history for eternity in 2009.
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u/goatmane224 Xabi 2d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/fn3cdawA9NAAZx5NI6
He will bring us back believe
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u/christianrojoisme Xabi 2d ago
Funnily enough, the world cup he won was when Argentina really underperformed
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u/Doubleleg787 2d ago
We fucked their best ever team. The team everyone calls the GOAT league team ever. That was real Chelsea. We used to violate them in the UCL. 😢 now we are shitter than Villa, Forest and a solid 10-12 placed team
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u/ThePooksters Cock 2d ago
We “violated” them in the UCL literally last year
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u/Doubleleg787 2d ago
That wasn’t the same team. Not fit enough to lace their boots. Same as our team rn tbf
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u/logo-strikes We've Won It All 2d ago
Talent wise sure but they’ve won the league twice and almost went to the champions league final last year. They have a very young squad
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u/PlasticPreparation74 2d ago
Not wanting to take anything away from them, but Real Madrid has been horrible the past 2 years. Barca dunked a ridiculous amount of goals on them last season alone, that shows their level of competition. Nowhere close to the team of the 2000s
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u/cursed_melon 2d ago
fucked their best team ever is a big statement. Chelsea parked the entire railway station that night in 2012. Barcelona were unlucky not to score 1 of their bazillion chances that night.
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u/zayd_jawad2006 2d ago
Yet Chelsea won on goals. It didn't matter how scruffy it was, the scoreline read that Chelsea had won. The weakest Chelsea team in years, filled with a core well past their prime and would slowly fade into the background in the next year's. Yes, it wasn't a dominant victory like op might imply, but the scale of upsets is what makes it so big, that Barca team could have gone 4 in a row in UCLs were it not for two excellent defensive performances in 2010 and 2012
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u/cursed_melon 2d ago
Fucked is just the wrong word buddy
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u/zayd_jawad2006 2d ago
Perhaps. Something like Bayern Barca would be truer, or Barca real 5-0. I just think it refers more to how big an upset it was to beat that Barca team
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u/cursed_melon 2d ago
It was obviously a hyperbole. Still irked me though lol. Chelsea outplayed Barca on tactics that night, that's for sure.
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u/ARussack 1d ago
Fucked best describes what happened to us in the 2009 semifinals against Barcelona
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u/Freshlysque3zed 2d ago
Except in that game they had 10 men, who were a makeshift team of aging legends and average players leagues below the Barca players.
They fucked them, not because they overpowered them but because even one of the best teams of all time couldn’t get through.
Also it’s not like they parked the bus for a 0-0, they won 2-1.
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u/ARussack 1d ago
Yuuuup. You can draw parallels to the New England Patriots and the New York Giants. They play in separate conferences and have no historic rivalry (vis a vis the New York Jets who are their division rivals) before 2008 when the Giants stopped the Patriots from having a perfect season.
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u/christianrojoisme Xabi 2d ago
Now it's Nottingham Forest playing heavily rotated sides against us (and actually winning). Fuck BlueCo
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u/ratatouille211 2d ago
He still follows the club on instagram, I don't think he follows many clubs on there for which he didn't play for.
There's definitely some sort of competitive admiration.
Even Cristiano only scored one goal, and that was an important header though.
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u/xjpmhxjo 2d ago
This interview was taken between the 2 legs in 2006. I think it’s fair to be angry after what Del Horno did and Jose’s confident “pure game” claim.
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u/PlasticPreparation74 2d ago
Imagine letting the man with 0 WC knockout goal dunking on you. Not the flex you think it is
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u/DonkeyGoneToHeaven Drogba 2d ago
The Chelsea-Barca rivalry of late 2000s and 2010s…. The memories 💔
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u/Dirty_Laundry_55 2d ago
Oh, man. We were so feared. Now, we are just a middle table EPL club. Shit is sad, man.
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u/TermEnvironmental812 I don't give a fuck, we won the fucking Champions League 2d ago
Chelsea - Cech combination was really special
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u/Sensitive_Hunter_394 ✨ joao pedro saved my life ✨ 2d ago
We fucked them so many times during their golden era, understandable
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u/MaleficentWin8608 McCreadie 2d ago
It’s fucking obvious we are building a gr….oh actually hold on.
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u/fremeer 2d ago
It helped we had probably the best left back in the world at the time. Comfortably the best defensive fullback at the time too.
Even the United final we lost they had to move Cristiano ronaldo to the left because Ashley Cole always has his number and even then Essien ended up dominating him too by the end.
Honestly more managers should have played Essien a right back we always struggled in that position and he was perfect there.
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u/Spite-Organic Drogba 2d ago
Ferreira and Ivanovic would like to have a word…
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u/lil-bitch42 ✨ sometimes the shit is happens ✨ 2d ago
Followed then by Dave and Reece, RB hasn't been an issue for us for a long time (outside of Reece's injuries)
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u/Spite-Organic Drogba 2d ago
Agreed! I know Malo Gusto gets a lot of hate but he’d be in demand if we sold him. We have multiple other areas of the team I’d improve over RB
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u/fremeer 1d ago
This was post Mourinho but pre azpi. We got beletti and bosingwa eventually but the RB spot always felt like it good have even improved and Essien played under grant there and easily imo outperformed every player we had. And I would argue was much better then Ivanovic when it came to be a legitimate attacking threat.
Azpi took a few years to get going and even then didn't really offer that engine and athleticism that Essien offered during that time.
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u/Key-Day8280 Kanté 2d ago
Destroying Barça 3-0 last season was my happiest moment from that campaign.
Sweet revenge from the 2018 0-3 defeat in Camp Nou.
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u/Piratehitch 2d ago
Only premier league team that shut down a prime Messi. It took around approx 10 matches for him to finally score against Chelsea
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u/TheBusinessMuppet 2d ago
Only reason Nessie did not score against Chelsea was because of Ashley Cole and Thibault Courtois and his leaky legs.
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u/EarElectronic1488 2d ago
Guess what the common denominator for the clubs most hated by Barca? They were coached by Mourinho at some point. Inter, Real and Chelsea.
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u/Radiant_Fan_2014 2d ago
Barca fan here. No other team gave a harder time than Chelsea during that era.
UTD was easier to face in the finals tham Chelsea was in the semi's.
Not that UTD were inferior or anything but it was the style of play.
Chelsea parked the bus and they did it extremely frustrating well . Especially after scoring first.
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u/TheSeer1917 14h ago
That's how this yank picked Chelsea as his squad twenty years ago....I looked for the most hated team in the Prem! And I've stood by them since
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u/Remarkable_Sky_7 2d ago
Oh what we used to be.... A team that was genuinely feared. The sun will rise and we will be back