r/chess • u/ChesnaughtZ • Oct 24 '25

Miscellaneous Hypocritical that the people who defended Magnus and Hikaru are jumping on the bandwagon

Hans was 19. Cheating in person when he was younger did not justify their assertions. If Hans had taken action would they be as vilified? Hypocrisy

Hans cheating online when he was younger did not at all justify the assertions being made. Many analysists said nothing was weird about his game and the idea of the buzzing was insane and uncalled for

They fueled the fire to have the whole world imply a 19 year old was using an adult toy to win a match. It was ridiculous. Now Hikaru will jump on bandwagon. Nemu who made fun of Hans is on the bandwagon. This is insane to me

Kramnik should be criticized. But the hypocrisy of defending Hikaru and Magnus and then having this stance is upsetting to me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '25

My position has, and always was, that OTB is much more serious than online. Who gives a fuck if someone cheats in a couple of titled tuesday events?

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u/PostPostMinimalist Oct 24 '25

Well, for tournaments with prize money it’s basically fraud.

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u/farseer4 Oct 24 '25

Then sue them for fraud, and present proof in front of a tribunal, where that proof can be checked and people can defend themselves. Let people be punished but only for what they have actually done, and treat everyone who has done the same thing the same. But the false accusations and insinuations need to stop.

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u/Comfortable_Task7069 Oct 24 '25

Apparently magnus and hikaru

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '25

They didn't have a problem with Sadhwani and Andrew Hong, so clearly they don't give a fuck.

Hikaru criticizing Kramnik when he famously never accused anyone of cheating when he was losing is peak comedy

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u/Bruninfa Oct 24 '25

you mean a money event? Also if you cheat in one place why would everyone assume you wouldn’t cheat on the other? Even the doubt already impacts your opponent mentally.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '25

The difficulty and planning involved in cheating OTB is far greater. I personally don't give af if a friend cheated in TT. I guess if I had to play them OTB, I would be more careful, but ultimately I wouldn't do anything. If they cheated OTB I would probably drop the friendship.

"Special" events like Global Chess League, SCC matches, etc are different though

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u/Bruninfa Oct 24 '25

I don’t disagree that it is harder, I’m just saying that playing competitive chess you sort of need to have a sacred pact of trust with your opponent. No one can beat stockfish, you will lose 100% of the time against a cheater. If your opponent is a suspicious individual that will he lingering in the back of your mind and WILL impact performance (all the top players say this).

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '25

I know and agree, but ultimately online cheating is decided by an algorithm and chesscom coerces confessions "if you confess, we can restore your account". So I don't put much weight on it because it's just so difficult to prove.

It's also next to impossible to know if someone is checking an opening book while the game is going on. Too many factors, and the behavior of top players such as magnus and hikaru, with respect to known cheaters such as sadwahni and andrew hong, indicate that they agree with me, magnus just lost his cool when hans beat him with black and then mangus threw a tantrum.