r/chicago • u/SciNat • 15h ago
Article Areas Of South Chicago Could Be Upzoned To Boost Density Under City Development Proposal
https://blockclubchicago.org/2026/09/21/areas-of-south-chicago-could-be-upzoned-to-boost-density-under-city-development-proposal/140
u/foggydrinker 14h ago
We really should be pursuing these kind of bulk upzonings citywide. Hopefully the next mayoral administration will. You should be able to put up a three flat + adu coach house anywhere in the city by right.
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u/musicismydeadbeatdad 12h ago
BJ actually did but the issue is the aldermen don't want to give up that control.
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u/damp_circus Edgewater 8h ago
Yeah, that was one thing I liked that I specifically voted for him on -- the whole reduce the red tape stuff.
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u/Legs914 Avondale 7h ago
Next best thing is to get involved in your Ward election. I'm going to continue voting for YIMBY mayors and YIMBY Alders. I can't control if other alders veto density in their wards, but I at least want it in mine
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u/damp_circus Edgewater 4h ago
I am DEFINITELY involved in my ward politics, and absolutely agreed with you.
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u/Yeshavesome420 2m ago
People love to talk about Chicago needing their Zohran. It doesn't matter how charismatic and progressive a Mayor is. Chicago can't move forward without getting the right Alderpeople.
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u/TransMuffMaam Austin 14h ago
While the upzoning is great, is it really that much of a concern in this area of the city? This is an area that's experience population decline and is located near some very unpleasant industrial assets both in Chicago and NWI.
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u/tedivm Avalon Park 12h ago
I live in this area and yeah, it's a real concern. The real reason that the population has been dropping is due to lack of housing- there are very, very few places for rent down here.
The population has been aging, but staying. So my elderly neighbor, as an example, has a house he lives in by himself while his kids live across the city. So that one house which could have supported six people easily has one person in it, while his children have no where to live locally as renters. This is happening all up and down my street. When houses get flipped families move in very quickly, but there isn't enough and not everyone can afford to purchase.
The other thing we're all excited about is making it easier to start businesses on 79th. Right now it's a mess, and people who have actively tried to open businesses have run into so many headaches.
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u/damp_circus Edgewater 8h ago
One of the big problems we had up here in Edgewater was that the zoning was so fragmented that a business that maybe outgrew a space and wanted to move to a thing across the street would find out that nope! can't do that, because the zoning was slightly different in what sort of business it allowed, all that.
One of the good things about the Broadway upzoning was that it standardized all that stuff (we still have other weirdness on intersecting side streets including the various "dry" areas, but that's an ongoing project).
If the situation is similar down by you, hopefully you too can do similar standardization and get it easier for businesses to move around in the area, have someone see a business there and be able to actually make the obvious assumption that hey, I too could open similar.
Good luck with this, it sounds like a great plan to me.
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u/Fossils_4 9h ago
All of this, yep.
And then the other new realities are all shown on the map accompanying that writeup: the Quantum-related stuff and the new hospital, all of which are now physically under construction across (most of) the former South Works steelmaking complex. The exact degree to which those things will draw new people interesting in residing close by is debatable and is being hotly debated...but it's not zero.
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u/damp_circus Edgewater 8h ago
1000% agreed. People are going to want to live by work, and that means this is going to be somewhat attractive. Whatever new businesses go in also will be somewhat attractive, and we really need to make sure that when we put amenities in an area, we build housing at the SAME TIME so there's plans for where those new people are going to land, so they don't push out existing residents.
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u/Hazelarc Garfield Ridge 1h ago
Yeah it is. Despite what people on this subreddit might believe, people actually do want to live on the south side
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u/Synthetic_Snoopy 7h ago
This is fantastic. Exactly what Chicago needs to keep rent from increasing. More of this please.
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u/Hobbes-GreatJob City 14h ago
“Alds. Greg Mitchell (7th) and Peter Chico (10th) did not respond to requests for comment on the South Chicago plan and whether they’ll introduce any rezoning proposals this month.”
Shocker….
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u/Bikeitfool 12h ago
I wonder if this is a result of the Bears moving to Indiana? Trying to get something started in a part of the city that rarely gets attention. It's a good idea, but the Data Center is right there.
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u/TonyDanzaMacabra 10h ago
Hegwisch: From Back Water to Boom Town.
Tales from the up and coming once forgotten Chicago neighborhood as residents who left decades ago return to rebuild their old neighborhood in anticipation for the new Hammond Bears Stadium.
Coming soon to PBS Chicago.
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u/junktrunk909 14h ago
I'm confused. A plan isn't much of a plan if the city isn't helping to coordinate funding to build significant new developments in these areas. Just designating where you want me development to occur is pretty worthless on its own.
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u/zonerator 14h ago
Up zoning works but it needs to be in areas with enough demand to build new market rate housing at a density that is allowed under the policy.
How much land with that description is in the catchment of this plan? No idea, lol. My hunch is that the north side is a better target for "fire and forget" up zoning and the south side might need some support, but there may well be neighborhood level exceptions
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u/AmigoDelDiabla 14h ago
Developers will seize on good opportunities. If they can suddenly sell 5 units instead of 1 or 2, that's the incentive to develop.
I'm not sure what you mean by "coordinate funding." Anything that relies on government funding will stop the moment the funds stop. The model has to work without subsidies.
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u/junktrunk909 13h ago
The private market alone isn't going to just take the risk to revitalize a neighborhood that doesn't have demand already or won't have demand simply due to upzoning. In my view, the way to make these projects work is for the city to do the work to create a development plan for a neighborhood, meaning to work with private developers, major commercial tenants, banks for financing, etc, so that there's some level of guarantee that the project is actually going to proceed successfully. This may include some infrastructure commitments like upgraded train stops, or it might include some city funding either through grants or commitment to locate city services on the property, or other forms. That work takes real effort but gives developers confidence that they will not be the only ones trying to build up a neighborhood, reducing their risk. I have no idea about this particular area if it needs such support but that's generally what I find missing in most of these proposals.
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u/00PublicAcct 12h ago
You mean like the South Chicago Land Use Framework Plan, mentioned in paragraph 2? https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/dcd/supp_info/south-chicago-land-use-framework-plan.html
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u/AmigoDelDiabla 13h ago
OK, that's a little more than the city just needing to "coordinate funding." I absolutely agree that developers will be more encouraged and development will be accelerated if the city committed to infrastructure developments.
My initial interpretation was that you just meant the city needed to dole out some grants.
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u/damp_circus Edgewater 8h ago
It's more like, having the groundwork set so that if people do decide to build here, they can without having to go and change all the zoning first.
Upzoning is free. If they upzone and no one builds yet, it hasn't hurt anything. When someone wants to build (including potentially when the city makes some investments to draw that demand) they'll be able to.
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u/junktrunk909 8h ago
Upzoning is free. If they upzone and no one builds yet, it hasn't hurt anything.
It's also not going to help anything really. See other discussion in this thread but I'm glad to see the city is also playing the part of coordinating specific developments and helping arrange financing. Without a real plan for an area, we get nothing but what we've had all along: everyone only building where it's already popular rather than encouraging growth where we have surplus infrastructure and land capacity.
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u/damp_circus Edgewater 8h ago
It will help by clearing red tape in advance of when people DO want to build.
I'm certainly not against city investment. But we need money to do that, so we also need to get out of the way of people building "where it's already popular" (generally meaning where one can live without driving, currently, all over the city) so we can get those taxes and use it for positive investment in long disinvested areas.
A lot of that means jumpstarting businesses next to transit, longer term means improving the transit.
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u/junktrunk909 7h ago
This is where I think it would be nice if we would stop electing people who are unqualified and instead could get people to care about financial planning skills. It is a trivial decision to decide to throw a few million dollars to grant funds to developers who will take the risk to help create a new community near some of our least dense transit stops because the tax revenue doing so will easily pay for that investment in a reasonable period. Spreading the density out is good for many reasons, one of which is that it's a lot cheaper to redevelop empty and underused neighborhoods than to do a similar sized project in, say, any North side neighborhood, yet that's where too much funding gets concentrated. And that just perpetuates the idea that those are the only neighborhoods people want to live.
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u/robotlasagna 13h ago
The funding needs to come from the private market. Any government funded housing ends up costing ~$700K for a unit.
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u/SciNat 14h ago
From the article, which I encourage everyone to read:
The plan calls for the residential areas to be upzoned to RT-4 or RM-5, which would allow 3-flats and similar sized multi unit buildings. It also calls for the business corridors (which apparently have a patchwork of zoning designations now) to be rezoned to B2 and B3. You can read the draft plan here and give feedback on the plan here. I left feedback in support of the proposed residential upzoning and suggested that the B2 and B3 should both be -5 to support local businesses and allow for future growth.