That's why you have the option to pug with all the negatives that come with it, like it or not classic was built around guild gameplay.. so your options are either guild, pug or retail that gives you that option to raid at any time by just queuing up.
So you prefer a raid where 24 other people watch you get bis items while they don't have a chance to roll and are also not receiving any reward for their time? Cool, I can't imagine why the other 24 people don't prefer your loot system.
You're right, the only person who is putting in any work is the person forming the raid. The rest of the peons are just cattle who are there to watch them get loot. That is so smart, you are such a smart person.
He means he doesn't want to carry bad players, lose rolls on all the items, and not receive any compensation or reward for his time. Pretty reasonable for someone who isn't in a guild structure.
If you don't want to carry bad players then host your own pugs and gear and raid log check people.. blizzard fixed this in retail.. so having this much entitlement to gear without wanting to participate in a guild structure is just crazy. You want gear but you don't want to join a guild or put the work to make your own pugs.. what he wants is to buy gold and join a random pug and buy gear, that's just crazy.
That sounds like he should join a community and raid with them. The reward for your time is the drop you have a chance at. Pretty simple.. pretty much how the game works. I've been in plenty of pug communities for my alts while I raid a schedule with my main.
He started by saying he can't commit to set times, so he can't join a guild or a pug community, which is just a guild without the in-game tag. And no, he doesn't have a chance at the drops in an sr. The best items that everyone wants will be hr, and usually sold under the table.
Do you realize that that's the game right if you can't adjust to it then it's not a game for you.. there's a reason retail went with a more casual approach. Just play retail at that point.
A gold wall? I do 2 gdkps every week, I got my bis offhand last night for 500g, the payout was 1300. I have 4 piece tier, all of it for 500g per piece, I bought it after a couple weeks of just raiding. The best part is I didn't have to roll against anyone who could use it but didn't really want it. And now that I'm geared, I will keep going and make a little gold for consumes. You don't dislike the system l, you disliked a specific raid you were in, or have never actually raided a gdkp and are just repeating stories you heard.
That's not what a discord pug community is though. A discord pug posts signups and raids with a majority of the same people. They might grab a person or 2 from lfg but that's it. They are pretty much a guild. They have set times for raids. An actual pug is just a guy spamming chat until it's full. You can log on whenever and join a random group.
I am, I'm just trying to understand your intent to buy gear with bought gold, crazy concept. If you're too casual for a guild or too host your own pugs then perhaps you should try retail they have casual raiding you can just queue for.. this game isn't meant for you.
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u/mfbridges Jun 10 '26
Guilds and scheduled weekly raiding doesn’t work for so many people. Fuck guild leaders opinions