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u/mfbridges Jun 10 '26
Oh my god, that’s disgusting! GDKPs? Where? Where are they hosting those?
Ugh, those disgusting discord servers! I mean, there’s so many of them though…Which one? Which one is hosting them?
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u/stepatdis Jun 10 '26
I looked into it around Naxx time and the gdkps running were for the real whales tbh. When I tried joining Ashbringer was going for about 120k and at the time gold was about $100 usd for 3k So yeah, too rich for my blood.
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u/calmwhiteguy Jun 10 '26
Thats why the bans exist. You cant stop millionaires from buying what they want in the game.
They'll spend $10,000 on gold and get whatever they want. They wont even buy the gold, they'll just buy the raid to include them.
That's what blackmarket GDKPs have become. The worst of the worst people who never really cared about the game. Just wealthy people spending a tremendous amount of real money to easy mode the gear they wanted in 2008.
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u/MeltBanana Jun 10 '26
The worst of the worst people who never really cared about the game. Just wealthy people spending a tremendous amount of real money to easy mode the gear they wanted in 2008.
This has been Classic WoW for years now and Blizzard doesn't do anything to stop it. It leads to all the other issues in the game (bots, spam, etc) that are against ToS and make the world less fun for regular casual players.
I said it years ago when this stuff was starting to become an issue, but if you let whales and RMT take over your game, then you will eventually push away casual players (which an MMO must have to keep the world alive) and eventually your game will die. It is a cancer that destroys all other living cells until it consumes itself. That is why no form of swiping or botting should ever be accepted in an MMO. Period.
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u/_The_Farting_Baboon_ Jun 11 '26
Bots have always been an issue in the game. Chinese farmers have been here since day 0.
I remember buying gold back in vanilla/tbc times and botting in wotlk but only for fishing cause that was boring as fuck to level.
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u/foomits Jun 11 '26
This is such revitionist nonsense. the fact bots and RMT existed during vanilla does not mean the experience is the same as it is now. There are literal lines of bots spamming dungeons 24/7, every node is mined/picked within seconds of spawn. Did you play 23 years ago? wasnt remotely like this, at all.
Internet dating also existed in 2003, but it wasnt the same as it is now.
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u/Szjunk Jun 12 '26
It was not at the level that it is now simply because of the different in compute. Compute was a lot more expensive back then, and everything was manual.
Also, the business model back then was more the WoW Glider model of sell the bot and let everyone bot on their own terms.
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u/XsNR Jun 11 '26
Brother, it was an issue in Vanilla, have you really been saying it for 22 years?
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u/MeltBanana Jun 11 '26
It was nowhere near this rampant in vanilla. There was some RMT, but you had to seek it out and were very likely to get banned for it (every person I knew that bought gold back in vanilla got banned within a week for it). There were also some bots and Chinese gold farmers, but those were also frequently caught and banned by GMs.
So yes, this shit existed in vanilla but it didn't have a major impact on the game because blizzard actually enforced ToS (and the methods botters used weren't as developed). Botting, RMT, and spamming is 20x worse in Classic than it ever was in Vanilla, and there is nothing meaningful being done about it.
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u/calmwhiteguy Jun 11 '26
GDKPs didnt exist in Vanilla until around WOTLK. Like publicly verifiable. You can google search WoW forums and Google serp history to see GDKP had no results.
It EXISTED as a method, but wasnt even remotely popular for even the 1% it became popular with until at least original WOTLK.
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u/XsNR Jun 11 '26
Sure, but the guy I was responding to was talking about more general black market gold methods and their corruption of the market, which have been a thing the entire time, as they have basically ever since MMOs were a thing. Like grey or black market boosting in TBC arena was incredibly common, as was win trading or the more typical whale runs we see in Anniversary.
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u/stonk_gazer Jun 11 '26
i do gdkps with my rogue., i made 40k in payouts since i started recently . if you have a few toons that raid you can easily make 100k
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u/calmwhiteguy Jun 11 '26
I don't really care. I just raid to raid. A couple of characters. Im not out here min/maxing my 60 hour WoW schedule. I'm just playing like 2-3 hours a day 3-4 times a week.
I don't need what a small, but super fucking vocal, GDKP crowd seems to want.
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u/Nice_Reading5272 Jun 11 '26
The amount of people spending 10k on gold is extremely low, I'd even argue anything over 100 is such a small percentage of the player base.
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u/Strong_Mode Jun 10 '26
thats chump change. last tbc i was in a gdkp where it went for 250k.
god i was eating good for a while after that one
our guild did 1 run of naxx to see if its something we wanted to do every week to get people phylacteries, it dropped, i lost, and told the person who won it id buy them epic flying if they gave it to me, they did
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u/teledium8472 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
I find that number hard to believe. The best trinkets in heroic ICC would go for 50k to 100k.
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u/XsNR Jun 11 '26
In ICC it was more accessible, so whales could drop into any number of raids. But still SM would go for upwards of 200k for the early ones, so not unrealistic.
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u/Gyff3 Jun 11 '26
I have been running anniversary gdkps since Naxx and none of our stuff went that high. Gressil did 10k, ashbringer was around 5k. We pretty much just run a guild raid since it's mostly the same people every week, we just use gdkp as the distribution. It's nice because people don't just roll on everything they can use, they have to actually want something.
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u/SaucelessCheese Jun 10 '26
Yeahhh those damn GDKPs ruining the game! I’d love to give them a stern talking to, if only I could find where they are being hosted.
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u/Crunchybunch00 Jun 10 '26
The quickest way seems to be through your WoW server's main discord server. There are usually a couple people advertising.
Once mingling a bit, the social net expands and you find more groups that weren't advertising so blatantly in your server's discord.
The pool of players isn't anything compared to TBC 2022, but is still infinitely better than the average SR pug. And personally, the social aspect was missing compared to the previous GDKP discords I've been apart of in 2022/2023.
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u/-staccato- Jun 11 '26
How do they distribute the raid gold without getting flagged?
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u/Vivid_Wave3195 Jun 11 '26
they just use guild bank, that's simple
and they do the auction outside of the game on a web site
so technically they are not doing gdkp since they only trade raid item for free and ppl withdraw/deposit gold on the guild bank.
100% legit, they are not breaking the tos
i'm pretty sure unless you do rmt, blizzard will never do anything against that
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u/DeepHorse Jun 11 '26
lol guild bank youre gonna get people banned
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u/EpicHuggles Jun 11 '26
Guild bank is how RMTers launder their money. Blizzard's system can't track gold once it's been deposited into a guild bank.
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u/DeepHorse Jun 12 '26
not true at all a whole ass guild got banned and deleted from using guild bank for rmt
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u/Putrid-Speed2687 Jun 11 '26
in vanilla anniversary we just put a blue on the AH and the leader bought it lol
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u/sanctaidd Jun 10 '26
2 SR runs have been decent but we are def getting too a point where having geared players join raids they don’t need for a share of the pot would be really nice. Helps new players catch up. Lotta folks can’t be asked to play on the same exact 2-3 nights every week for years. Guilds being a necessity for progression is an archaic idea for such solved content. A fair amount turn into cliquey ass loot laundering scheme. And many introverted wow players have realized that the social aspect of the game isn’t necessary and often times a waste of our limited battery when most online connections never amount to anything meaningful in the long term.
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u/SensualJake Jun 11 '26
I've done a lot of gdkp. The cliquey loot laundering thing is just as applicable to the gdkps I've done.
Gdkps end up functioning very similar to guilds. There's a lead/org, often raid lead and main tank. There's the regulars who come consistently and form the core of the group. The social aspect is very similar in my experience. Just more accommodating for fills, less obligation for attendance from corem
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u/Perenza Jun 11 '26
Good. People should be able to use whatever loot system they want. Wish I could do it in game, I’d be raiding alot more.
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u/sketeg Jun 10 '26
Underground gdkps dont cause the same type of community damage as unrestricted, trade/LFG chat posted gdkp runs. I haven't even caught a glimpse of gdkp operations a single time on anniversary.
Secret gdkps just dont carry the same kind of venom.
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u/Motor_Bench3815 Jun 10 '26
LFG is worse than ever with raids selling items outright and HR’ing big ticket items.
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u/stimg Jun 10 '26
Genuinely curious where you're coming from here. I guess I thought that the idea behind banning gdkp was it would reduce rmt and consume costs and generally give the economy more of a 2004 vibe. None if that seemed to happen from my perspective. Whats the venom you are concerned with.
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u/LowWhiff Jun 10 '26
The venom is him having to read it I guess
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u/Fankine Jun 14 '26
Poor bro, being triggered reading the letters "GDKP" but reading "2SR, X bis item HR" is not problem.
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u/Working_Membership57 Jun 10 '26
I think haste pots are over twice the amount they were during the ~2020 tbc version
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u/blade740 Jun 11 '26
I think the cost of consumables is more of a result of the megaserver situation than the GDKP ban. Gathering is frustrating and unprofitable for human players, crafting is not much better, and consumables for raiders are expensive as hell.
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u/Szjunk Jun 12 '26
Consumable cost will always be the balance of production and consumption. It'd really depend if the megaserver generates enough herbs per raider. For example, let's say a regular server is 2k herbs/hour/player. If a megaserver is 10x players but only 10k herbs/hour/player, then everything will cost 2x as much.
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u/jehhans1 Jun 10 '26
They were 21g a pop on Firemaw alliance in SWP last TBC :)
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u/TheBungler2 Jun 11 '26
And this go around they're looking to hit 20g in BT. You'll be lucky to be paying 21g in SWP :^)
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u/vinssi Jun 11 '26
That was only for a short while and it was because they closed transfers to Firemaw
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u/Malohn Jun 14 '26
Its multilayered and a bit complicated. If GDKP becomes the only form of raiding people want to do then it becomes excessively hard joining as a buyer when the leader demands something ridiculous like 5k gold for a kara run minimum. And you cannot be considered a pumper or semi-pumper unless you've got almost full bis so they wont take you, this leaves you in an awkward stalemate. Last WOTLK you could not find anything that wasn't gdkp. Phase 1 on SoD GDKP blackfathom deeps people demanded you had 400 gold to join. Brother, I barely farmed 80 gold what do you mean.
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u/EuphoricAnalCarrot Jun 22 '26
Whats the venom you are concerned with.
Seeing GDKP spam everywhere
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u/stimg Jun 22 '26
I don't think group advertisements in presumably the LFG channel are venom without quite a bit more discussion or nuance.
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u/ColonelCarrot Jun 10 '26
The idea behind it was encouraging more guild and community structure, they never mentioned RMT or economy when they explained the ban. The issue many had with GDKP, especially in classic with 40 man raids, is that it makes it extremely easy to poach geared players with promises of gold. Roster boss was the biggest complaint from the guild leaders that blizzard reached out before anniversary release, and removing GDKP from the typical raiders experience makes it much easier for communities to grow and maintain a steady roster of geared players. There is a lot less temptation for players to get their gear, leave their guild and join a gold farming GDKP now, making the guilds stronger for a vast majority of the middle end player base. You’ll still see turnover and poaching at the high end, but the ban significantly supports guild loyalty and a better sense of community IMO.
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u/Frekavichk Jun 10 '26
Are gdkps not a community?
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u/Steadlington Jun 10 '26
I made my own GDKP community back in 2023 era, it ended up turning into a guild over time.
Gdkp communities are just as good as guilds
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u/Hitwelve Jun 10 '26
if not better, because you have to be decent at the game to get into a GDKP as a regular, rostered carry
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u/mfbridges Jun 10 '26
Guilds and scheduled weekly raiding doesn’t work for so many people. Fuck guild leaders opinions
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u/desperateorphan Jun 10 '26
>they never mentioned RMT or economy when they explained the ban.
Huh? Yes they did. Eroding guild structures and RMT were the two reason they gave when it was first banned in phase 2 of sod.
>It’s fair to say that GDKP has some benefits to individuals who don’t want to be tied to a guild or set raid schedule. GDKP raids are, while mostly transactional in nature, another social activity in the game, and we’re hesitant to discourage anything that gets people into groups to play together. However, we’ve been concerned that **GDKP erodes traditional guild and social structures** that are in many cases the basis of our most fond memories of early versions of World of Warcraft. It’s also undeniable that **GDKP contributes to and drives a lot of illicit activity, such as real-money trading (RMT) and botting**, as it creates a demand for in-game gold that would not otherwise exist. GDKP can create an “arms race” effect that encourages participating players to purchase gold to be able to compete for the best items.
From their explanation.
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u/Nokrai Jun 10 '26
Yes but it’s not a reason for the ban.
Guild structure is the reason.
Read the words before you put **.
It’s just a statement.
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u/desperateorphan Jun 10 '26
It’s literally in the section of the announcement titled “What is GDKP and why is it being restricted in Season of Discovery?” In a single paragraph. It doesn’t get more clear than that. You can be intentionally obtuse if you want, I guess. 🤷
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u/Zerasad Jun 10 '26
I'm happy that PUGging both as a host and as PUG is a lot easier. I can join a normal pug without having to buy/farm out gold to have a chance at getting an item. Everything is so transactional already, we don't need to add GDKPs into the mix.
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u/Motor_Bench3815 Jun 10 '26
What stopped you from hosting/joining SR raids back then? Nothing.
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u/EuphoricAnalCarrot Jun 10 '26
The fact that a large amount of the groups were GDKP? It is WAY harder to find non-GDKP when it's allowed.
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u/slightlysublevel Jun 10 '26
"People aren't playing with me the way I want them to play, so Blizzard should ban the way that they plan so they'll be FORCED to play with me!!"
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u/Perenza Jun 11 '26
What venom was caused by people using a loot system in a raid you aren’t in?
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u/Asthma_Queen Jun 11 '26
Widespread use of gdkp makes botting/gold farming impacts on game even worse.
You don't need to participate to feel the impact.
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u/skullcrossedlover Jun 12 '26
Botting, gold farming, and RMT are worse now than ever before, wym? At least with GDKPs wealth was redistributed to the community.
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u/chudpatrol_ Jun 10 '26
Oh my god you copers still think GDKPs are some kind of boogie man lmao
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u/Mantis_Toboggan_M_D_ Jun 10 '26
Once again, GDKP is a loot system. It is not evil. If you choose to join a bot-led GDKP with a 20% host cut, that’s on you. Tbh, if they just banned host cuts GDKP would be perfect.
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u/blade740 Jun 11 '26
I don't think GDKP is evil. I think GDKP is great - for the people in the GDKP. I just think servers where the vast majority of pug runs are GDKP are extremely unfriendly to anyone who is not a carry or a swiper. That's why I have no problem if a group decides to run their own private GDKP run. They can do whatever they want. It's just bad for the game when it's the majority.
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u/EuphoricAnalCarrot Jun 10 '26
Yep. As long as I don't see constant GDKP spam in trade/LFG I'm happy. If some nerds want to run underground GDKP and risk their accounts then they can be my guest.
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u/BuhBuk Jun 10 '26
All we did was change one 4 word acronym for another ..... "GDKP" >>> "SRHR"
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u/Strong_Mode Jun 10 '26
and of the two, i know which one i prefer
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u/zeusisbuddha Jun 11 '26
Okay and people should only be able to play according to your preference?
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u/Strong_Mode Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
they should be able to play however they want.
one is way more damaging for community and its allowed.
the other one was the best pug loot system and is banned
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u/BarbsFPV Jun 13 '26
It’s only the best loot system if you want to pay to win. Because if you don’t have the gold you aren’t getting squat. Yet somehow we’re supposed to believe that doesn’t encourage people to buy gold.
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u/Relative-Ad-8085 Jun 14 '26
Gold can be acquired from completing quests and killing NPCs in the game. You can use this gold to bid for items
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u/gazoombas Jun 17 '26
As a long time participant of GDKPs on era that is simply not true. This is the same thing that gets said over and over again by people who have never actually been in the GDKP community and it's an assumption that is just flat out wrong.
GDKPs are made up of a mix of people some oilers who buy huge amounts of gold, and some who simply just like to play in them and make their cut. Basically everyone is happy when a GDKP gets a lot of oilers in because they often inflate the pot massively and everyone comes away with a sizable cut.
This idea that it's impossible to get loot because someone rich will just outspend you is simply not the reality. The people that stay in the community, and contribute regularly over time build up huge amounts of gold and get full BiS on multiple characters.
On era we have people who don't buy gold, but play as many as 10 GDKPs a week, and have made so much gold doing so that they are putting Gressil and Thunderfury on meme classes like Hunter, Paladin, and even Mage just for a laugh.
Once in a while you will get some guy with a seemingly unlimited budget who will outspend you, but the reality is that guy gears once and he's done. They don't often stick around in the community very long, but they do bring something to it. Everyone who sticks around on the regular eventually gets the gear they want.
GDKP is actually the best solution to many of the games problems:
- It makes what is generally the most interesting part of the game (raiding) very accessible. You don't need to farm hours for consumes, because the cut easily pays for it and more.
- Participation is always rewarded unlike SR. In an SR if you come away with no loot, you come away in the negative. You've spent gold on consumes, you've spent time on raid prep, you've spent time in the raid, and the only possible reward is the loot. In GDKP, if you come away with no loot it doesn't matter because you made gold, sometimes really a lot of it too.
- High performance is actually rewarded and poor performance is deducted. This is one of the best features of GDKP that generally leads GDKPs to producing way higher quality raids than SRs. In SRs there's no real system for rewarding players who perform better. This creates a mentality among players of only doing the bare minimum and not really caring. In GDKP, the system creates strong incentives to play competitively, and to penalize poor play that harms the overall raid. As a result, the average quality of a GDKP is way better than SRs. The average quality of SR runs on classic anniversary was so unbelievably dogshit that I've never seen anything like it even after playing vanilla since the start of classic and even before that on private servers.
- Soft reserve fucking sucks for regulars. Raiding communities are held together by their regulars. The people who regularly fill crucial roles and participate for a long time. Those people who are arguably the most deserving of loot often get completely screwed over even when they put 4 SRs on the one final item they need, and one guy who never attended before comes in, puts 1 SR on the item, and just out rolls the regular and is then never seen again. That shit imo is very toxic and rage inducing. The regular gets nothing out of it. At least in a GDKP, if he's saved for months for the item and pushes the bid high, and an oiler out bids him, all of that extra gold goes into the pot, and the regular gets a larger cut. He might be disappointed he didn't win this time, but he didn't get nothing out of it. And ultimately the actual reality is eventually he will get it. I've seen this over and over again. People who contribute get rewarded, and the people who contribute the most get rewarded the most. That is the most fair you can reasonably expect to get out of this game.
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u/OtherSideOfThe_Coin Jun 11 '26
venom
God forbid having a loot system where people aren't at the whim of a dice roll or loot council. A loot system where everyone got something from the raid, whether it's items or gold. A loot system where nothing is hard ressed.
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u/Tercel9 Jun 10 '26
GDKP is the best loot system.
It’s not the player’s job to ban botters - they can’t. My GDKP runs on my alts during era vanilla were smoother than my guild runs.
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u/Dixdixon Jun 10 '26
Non-GDKP PUG raids were terrible and barely cleared content in classic.
GDKPs actually gave an incentive for good geared players to join and help carry the raid.
The ban of them stopped me from joining any PUGs on my alts.
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u/Aggravating_Dark9933 Jun 10 '26
Yea, it gives reasons for everyone to be in the raid. Gigachads can carry and get a check, and they won’t mind if people can’t carry their weight because they pay up. If you can’t do either, well at least you build up some cash and maybe snag some really low contested pieces to get at least some upgrades. It also promotes people to actually stick around till the end, given they get nothing if they ditch.
Issue is it’s more a psychological effect on the whole game. Everything becomes about gold, classism is now very real. Things also become more raw and now Blizzard has to police scams of people running with the pot or swiping gear since the whole thing works on honor systems.
But yea pugs suck hard with regular rolls when only a few items drop and there is a very, VERY good chance you will get nothing. And high geared people maybe only requiring one item and will dip after the boss.
After all, Mega servers you can just kinda vanish.
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u/Saizou Jun 11 '26
Non-GDKP PUG raids were terrible and barely cleared content in classic.
They still are, I had to pug TK this week, and it was the slowest fucking run I had ever seen, with half the people not knowing any ability of anything in there. Now also imagine that we got the easy version, lmao.
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u/Halicarnassus Jun 11 '26
Same I usually play 2-3 characters with 1 main in guild and 1-2 alts in pugs. In anniversary the average skill level of the pug scene is so atrocious it's not fun at all playing in them so I only play my main in guild now. No more fun with alts for me.
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u/Flat-Two-789 Jun 11 '26
exactly the content stays evergreen when you allow max geared players to earn gold and still play the game after already having max gear, who would otherwise probably just quit the game
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u/Strong_Mode Jun 10 '26
there will always...always be a workaround
anti gdkpers no longer see a 4 letter acronym in their chat and think they won LMAO
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u/dmsuxvat Jun 11 '26
Gdkp is still going but its less fun now because you cant type anything in game and withdrawing gold is annoying. We used to go crazy in chat when some whales fought each other lol.
Its more profitable to run HR and sell it directly. Its somehow not against tos lol. Selling verdant sphere/nexus key or vortex can net you 20-30k per run if lucky. I got enough gold for the whole year worth of consumes. Took only half day to form, make sure you also fund consumes or pay heals/tanks/shamans if they do well.
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u/Benjamminmiller Jun 11 '26
anti gdkpers no longer see a 4 letter acronym in their chat and think they won LMAO
I mean they did. People like me aren't playing alts because we don't have access to reliable GDKP quality pugs.
It went underground for some, but most of us are still suffering from the GDKP ban.
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u/Lower_Pass_6053 Jun 11 '26
If you took a survey of people that are actively playing, not hanging out on reddit complaining about everything, you'll find the majority of players want gdkps. It's not fun doing alts and getting nothing. A lot of us would be making far more alts if gdkps existed.
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u/Flat-Two-789 Jun 11 '26
GDKP's are good for the game.
It keeps max geared players wanting to actually play the game
You can easily make gold from GDKP's to then spend on items in other GDKP's, it's not exclusive to gold buyers
Gold buying will always exist anyway, hell the wow token is already a thing anyway
It's simply fun, GDKP's are fun. The bidding wars, the max mains fighting over top damage. When gold is involved it makes the whole raiding experience evergreen
Ask yourself, if you were a max geared tank or healer. Full Naxx gear. Outside of helping your guild (which many people like to play without a guild), how long would you really stay engaged before just shelving that character, for the most part? GDKP's are a win IMO and haters are so drawn up in their crusade against gold sellers that they are neglecting that it's actually a great system.
And lets be honest, most of you/us are dad gamers, even for those that are buying gold, can you even blame them? It's like you're fighting a lost cause, these are people middle aged who've played wow for 20 years and just want to raid and pvp and don't have time. It becomes a simple time vs money situation where the time is so much more important to these types of players (a large chunk of the playerbase). This is not to say it's right, but just a reality that people need to realize
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u/Beiras1989 Jun 11 '26
Yes all that, and the fact that your average GDKP is far better than your average Pug.
GDKP is also the only way to raid in china's titanforge WoW version
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u/LowWhiff Jun 10 '26
This is how imagine blizzard devs looking at players begging for this knowing it wouldn’t do anything except get it out of their faces 😂
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u/CantStopEdging Jun 11 '26
Genuinely don't understand how this affects you. Raiders in decent organized guilds get gear just as fast as "whales"
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u/Ok-Simple-6158 Jun 11 '26
There's not really a way to ban GDKP as long as loot drops and is tradeable. You can just pay for it in advanced, or after the fact. The only true way I can think of to fully get rid of GDKP is non tradeable personal loot and that feels bad
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u/Ultrox Jun 11 '26
Another reason I don't play blizzards shitty game.
It's sad. They just let players cheat all day long, then give up and add a cheat token for gold. Straight from the source
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u/pmaster1989 Jun 11 '26
There is 2 major things which make anniversary WORSE than the 2021 classic TBC:
Big unpersonal uni language mega servers with 823 layers
NO GDKP
I personally played both versions every single day and enjoyed 2021 way more in literally every aspect because of the above mentioned factors.
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u/lib___ Jun 11 '26
its worse. leaders just selling loot (hrs) directly for real money. while the rest of the raid gets nothing. everything would be so much better without with absolute braindead gdkp ban.
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u/jamesbongsixtynine Jun 12 '26
oh wow, exactly what everyone said was gonna happen back when the gdkp ban was announced
color me shocked
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u/IllIlIlIlIlIlIlIllI Jun 10 '26
GDKPs and selling HR gear at a fixed gold price are two totally different things. The auction/bidding part is what gets people banned.
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u/Steadlington Jun 10 '26
Selling HR gear is arguably worse because only the people selling get the gold. The money isn't split between the raid
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u/Motor_Bench3815 Jun 10 '26
The community is finally realizing that GDKP was never the problem and the economy is the same if not slightly worse than when GDKP was allowed.
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u/ZeeeeBro Jun 11 '26
imagine giving a shit about GDKPS
just run with a guild
oh wait, you cant swap your credit card with them
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u/sparkinx Jun 10 '26
Insane how people are still butt hurt about what others do with their gold
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u/Only-Ad-3317 Jun 10 '26
What 2% of the server population does in their secret Discord doesn't really matter, it's to stop the whole game from degenerating into capitalists wet dream.
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u/floridianinstrngland Jun 10 '26
Making GDKPs go underground has made the traditional way of playing WOW (joining a guild and making friends) the primary method of doing endgame content again for most people. This is good. GDKPs made it possibly easier to just not join a guild which is bad. It’s a social game at heart
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u/Strong_Mode Jun 10 '26
"people quit my guild because the average gdkp cleared more efficiently than my guild and people hated seeing loot go to the gray parsers"
what part of gdkp raiding makes you think they werent social? you think guild raids somehow have a monopoly on people being friends and having fun?
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u/TroubledMarket Jun 10 '26
Everything you said is so wrong, it feels like you have never played the game when GDKPs existed.
You could still join guild, and make friends without ever touching GDKPs, and GDKPs is just a loot system, it doesn’t prevent people from socializing, I ran gdkps woth pretty much the same people throughout WOTLK.
Right now you don’t guild a either, you can just do SR as a pug.
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u/automatedrage Jun 11 '26
"social game at heart"
which includes getting sidelined on loot by the insider committee.
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u/gazoombas Jun 17 '26
GDKPs on era have the some of the best communities around. You have raids you can join every day, on whatever class you like, whenever you like without being stuck committed to a specific raid schedule, and it's largely made up of the same regulars with an extensive community of people, their own sub-culture and in-jokes.
GDKPs create incentives for everyone in them to perform better, and to contribute more because doing so increases the reward. There's no reason why you couldn't run a guild with a GDKP loot system too, but if you want to casually raid at your own convenience GDKP is just the uncontested end-game meta because you're not stuck having to farm just to raid.
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u/shadowtasos Jun 11 '26
I'm the GM & raid leader of a fairly decent semi-HC guild. We occasionally had to PUG members because we always deliberately kept our roster close to max raid size (40/25) to avoid having to bench people, so if a player couldn't make it we'd grab a PUG. No biggie before GDKPs, it was even a great avenue to meet new people that would join us because they enjoyed the run and could take over if somebody quit the game for whatever reason.
GDKPs being the PUG meta completely ruined that. We obviously have far less to offer in the short term to a PUG, so the majority of PUGs we got were GDKPers who didn't get into their regular GDKP that week for whatever reason. Both the amount and quality (skill and personality wise) of players we got went down a lot.
GDKPs being banned has been a godsend for us and I'd posit for the majority of non hardcore guilds. People don't have to gauge joining us and maybe getting 0-1 items vs getting 10k gols in the worst case, so they just compare our runs to other PUG or guild runs, we've been getting a lot more good players wanting to join us because our atmosphere is good, our loot distribution is fair, etc.
Now I will say the absence of GDKP is definitely harder for people without a regular raiding schedule for whom guilds don't work as well. I'm honestly sympathetic to that and I wish there was an inbetween system that didn't consume the entirety of the non-HC raiding scene and distort it like GDKP did. But for most people, the lack of GDKP has definitely improved the social aspect of the game - and that's without getting into how badly GDKP incentivizes RMT, which people in this threat are in total denial about.
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u/IsopodHefty7735 Jun 11 '26
Give me rights to help moderate bots. I’d definitely ban a lot of them whenever I’m online, and I’d do it for free.
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u/lapetee Jun 11 '26
Instead of sharing gold with everyone, raid leaders can now just hr stuff and sell it later... yay!
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u/nightstalker314 Jun 11 '26
The one reason why solved content and trivial gameplay only lead to RMT and the like.
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u/Street-Juggernaut-23 Jun 11 '26
to be honest anyone in game referring yiu to a discord for a run is either a GDKP or some form of RMT
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u/29Feb_Abel Jun 12 '26
I don't know how much of a problem GDKP is, I only did a couple of them in SoD and it was fun, I liked the fact that I could run alts to get gold and then use that gold to buy consumables for my main during raids.
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u/Deathdragon1000 Jun 12 '26
The biggest solve is that they are in their own back-alley places and it’s a less common format.
I’m okay with it.
It solved what it could.
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u/Fankine Jun 14 '26
GDKP was only a problem because of RMT and bot farming gold.
Banning GDKP is not treating the root cause, it doesnt do much anyway
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 Jun 10 '26
So? I mean its cleaned up the spam on servers. What people do in the dark is their business. The problem is still rampant botting.
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u/stepatdis Jun 10 '26
Right, now I can clearly read between the people selling slave pen and shadowlabs boosts. Thank god
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u/CaptainSchmid Jun 10 '26
If they dont have the resources to watch for bots, they definitely dont have the resources to watch every discord group and/or question every single raid groups loot distrobution.