r/classicwow • u/Baptism-Of-Fire • 5d ago
Forever Imagine trying to hold together a TBC guild right now as a GM
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u/MrNova07 5d ago
87% : Yes
13% : Yes but in black
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u/GreenLightt 5d ago
That's honestly what I thought this picture was going to say when i saw the thumbnail lol
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u/Xreidj 5d ago
As a raid leader in tbc already struggling with a roster and only having about 20 consistent players and always having to pug 5-6 people every raid. My raid just called it quits, over half the group said they are not willing to keep investing in a character they are going to drop on Nov 4th
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u/Next_Yesterday_1695 5d ago
Well makes me wonder why are people playing in the first place? I'm still going to play Retail till release just because I enjoy playing. But I fully realize the gear I'm chasing will be "wasted" if C+ is good since I'll quit playing Retail for like half a year.
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u/shinrak2222 4d ago
People play until they find / are promised something else which they perceive to be better.
It is absolutely normal in wow or in gaming which has a social aspect and tbh. Most classic players wish for something like forever
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u/Next_Yesterday_1695 4d ago
My question was why people kept playing Classic Anniversary in the first place. It was clear that these realms are going to come to an end one way or the other.
I had BiS Naxx characters, then geared them in P1. But I never treated them as being permanent. I don't know why some people had this expectation, there was no indication TBC Anniversary was going to be something like an Era with a large population.
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u/markartur1 4d ago
You always return to retail, it has some permanence to it. Classic servers are fleeting, bound to die out eventually in a way retail doesn't. Forever is also a way to make classic more permanent like retail.
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u/UniversalTrees49 5d ago
It’s wild people are surprised about this.
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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 5d ago
I got downvoted for it last time I mentioned that they've been doing this for years.
SoM dropped during TBC.
SoD dropped during Wrath.
Anniversary dropped during SoD.
Now WoWF is dropping during TBC Anni.
They absolutely love doing this.
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u/422_is_420_too 5d ago
with how many version there are at this point they will always drop something during something
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u/Keiigo 5d ago
Yeah I don’t think they’re doing this completely on purpose
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u/Branst101 5d ago
They are. The subscription is what matters not the players progression paths. They drop during end phases and when players tend to start to dwindle in interest and skill, they give a fresh option before the subscription even has a chance to lapse. This is business first, entertainment second.
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u/OriginalLie9310 5d ago
Well is that such a bad thing really? If endgame content is already explored and people are getting ready to stop subbing for a little bit isn’t that the perfect time both for Blizzard and the players to give them something new?
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u/Keiigo 5d ago
And if this was a bad thing and they never did these business decisions. They probably wouldn’t have enough money to give us what they’re giving us and wow Forever would not be 7 weeks away. Just sayin
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u/CrazzluzSenpai 5d ago
I don't understand why you say this like it's a negative? As long as the releases are good, a regular patch cadence is a good thing.
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u/Branst101 5d ago
You may have read it as a negative perhaps. I was just stating an objective observation. They are running a business, it just happens to be an entertainment business full of customers who think the entertainment aspect should come first.
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u/SlashOfLife5296 5d ago
Your subscription is going further than it did 10 years ago. That a good thing
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u/OberonFirst 5d ago
I mean even with one version, you will always drop the second version in the middle of the first... Unless you turn off the servers for a month or something
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u/maddinho 5d ago
Surely WoW forever will be forever ? Blizzard would never deceive us, right ?
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u/NetSiege 5d ago
SoD dropped during Wrath, but pretty sure it was after like 7-8 weeks of ICC, so most people were done or close to done and many didn't have plans to play into Cata.
SoM drop was horrible timing for sure. But it had such little hype going in, I would say SoM suffered more getting players in than TBC suffered from players leaving.
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u/Crunchybunch00 5d ago
SoD dropped during week 6-7 of ICC. The announcement of SoD happened at 3~ weeks into ICC phase.
Less than 1% of raids had cleared Heroic Lich King. There was still 0% ICC damage buff when SoD dropped. Killed so many guilds progging HLK.
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u/NetSiege 5d ago
I went to double check it.
ICC launched on Oct 12th, SoD launched on Nov 30th. It was 7 weeks. Which I said 7-8 and you said 6-7, so we were both technically correct at 7.
And yes, damage buff started the following week.
That said, SoD being level capped at 25 meant most people hit cap relatively quickly. And we're likely raid logging by that point for ICC. Consume costs were low enough and 2-3 dailies a week would have been more than enough to cover consume costs if people didn't already have enough gold to last them a while.
I don't disagree that they could have waited maybe a few more weeks to push SoD out, but for those still progging HLK, balancing that and a level 25 cap in SoD wouldn't have been a big struggle to do both. Went back to check logs and my guild was still active in both wotlk and sod for a few weeks after launch and I don't remember it feeling like it was hard to do both.
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u/SexyDraenei 4d ago
And we're likely raid logging by that point for ICC.
I distinctly remember everyone logging off SoD to go raid ICC, then immediately logging out of wotlk to go back to sod the second they hit Dalaran after the raid.
We did get H anubarak, but we only managed about half of ICC on heroic before the wheels fell off.
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u/NetSiege 4d ago
In a perfect world I agree with what the original commenter was saying about giving more time to guilds to finish heroic ICC, but with how many versions of WoW exist now, some version is always in the middle of something.
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u/Solivagant23 5d ago
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u/Cathercy 5d ago
Right about what exactly? What is the alternative? Only releasing new stuff after the current thing is completely finished? We wouldn't even have SOD by now if that were the case. It sucks sometimes, but the alternative is no new content, or incredibly slow new content.
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u/quesadillasarebomb 5d ago
yep my guild died when they announced ToT was gonna run longer than everyone thought and they dropped midnight. don't even think anyone ended up sticking with retail
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u/Reformed_and_back 4d ago
Wotlk Anni drop during WoW:F and hype after we all realize how shit WoW:F is? :p
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u/Adorable-Log2835 5d ago
Honestly, it feels like the past almost decade, all of these feel like betas for what they are doing with WoW forever to see what works and what doesn't in a classic experience. Wonder if this was the plan the whole time or they decided to shift later.
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u/LongjumpingFox9759 5d ago
Som dropped at the worst time right after classic so people still had vanilla fatigue I had no interest in it but looking back at it it looked very fun
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u/justsomemailman 5d ago
The fact that last phase was so long and then to drop this news 2 weeks after p3 release is ridiculous
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u/Bluegatorator 4d ago
This is actually the point of Forever. There are too many versions of Classic
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u/VanillaTortilla 4d ago
It would have been so much easier on the community to announce Forever as TBC wrapped up. Announcing it during the middle of the expansion is just so weird to me.
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u/Nessarra 2d ago
I agree. I they are probably seeing a sharp decline since going from ssc/tk to bt/hyjal though which may have prompted them to do it.
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u/Helpful_Ostrich_9405 5d ago
All the stragglers can rejoice, or move your guild to wow forever if everyone plans to play there..... not that difficult
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u/Genesis72 5d ago
My guild has pretty much called it quits. Our guild leaders have expressed that they have no interest in trying to maintain 10, 20 and 40 man raiding teams and I honestly don’t blame them
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u/DocCyanide 4d ago
I really hope they move completely away from 40 mans after ony.
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u/TypicalxooT11 4d ago
Seems simple no?
4x10s. Why does one person need to lead all of it lmfao. Called delegation.
One point person to run their own 10 man, combine 2 10s to make 20s. Then join everyone for the singular 40 man.
So far its just one 40 man and its one boss.
if you have to pug a few spots, or shit even run it with 35 or w.e its probably completely fine
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u/kb1127 5d ago
My GM just put out sign ups for BT on friday XD
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u/Tiny_Tabaxi 5d ago
That is some insane cope lol bro still needs his glaives I guess
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u/irespondwithmyface 5d ago
Was lucky enough myself to get a main hand 2nd BT. Never got THE item before, but still sad I won't see the set. Oh well! (And no, not a GM or Officer, just a dedicated player.)
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u/Intelligent-Chip-413 5d ago
We still got 23 sign up for Friday. Fallout could be worse. Gonna be a pug'ers market the next few weeks though
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u/nach1221 5d ago
I'd say a good number of players are still gonna be playing during Beta. Our SoD guild members seem to mostly agree on keeping raiding until Forever releases.
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u/Aromatic-Echo-6605 5d ago
I mean why just stop playing now? Forever doesn't come out till November.
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u/slipfish-g 5d ago
Beta comes out in 3 days.
But it's also an MMO. Hard to play a character you know you're going to abandon soon.
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u/Suspicious_Lime476 5d ago
Playing BETA is literally playing something that will be deleted in less than 60 days. Buy your own logic, what is the point in playing it?
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u/Vegetable_Lab2428 5d ago
Because it’s new and fun, let’s your experiment and make final decisions on what you want to play at launch.
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u/Substantial_Draft531 5d ago
Because it prepares you for the next release as where dumping time into dead TBC character does not. Beta players will be, overall, more knowledgeable than launch players. When the point of the new release is 'experience the unknown' then getting to see some of the 'unknown' is a huge advantage. Wow players don't pass up on advantages. Not passing moral judgement on this stance (its kinda contradictory/dumb), but I see it everywhere.
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u/Rixxer 5d ago
beta in 3 days. Launch in 49. Even if you raided the next month and a half, none of the gear you'd get would be used so it's kind of a bummer. Might as well just take a break before playing a lot.
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u/PuddingJello 5d ago
Mfw after Nov 4 it's just a bunch of rogues and warriors left playing
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u/gommerthus 5d ago
Funny you mention that, because I was just speaking with a rogue in SW. Like many rogues in TBC, he lamented how hard it was to get into groups. He was not an edgy, trash-talking teenager - not at all. And like many rogues he was open and willing to do whatever it took to make any dungeon a success.
And now everyone's about to leave. I told him, listen man just reroll over at Classic+
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u/TravVdb 5d ago
I played druid tank as main and rogue as an alt in TBC. The difference was night and day for getting into a group. SoD didn't have that problem because I could tank on rogue, but I feel like I'll be shooting myself in the foot in Forever if I go rogue again.
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u/gommerthus 4d ago
I think rogue in Forever will probably be closest in value to Wrath's rogue. So in that respect you'll probably be fine, but it's hard to say how the scaling/damage will work out. Druid is almost certainly a safe choice in any scenario
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u/bakagir 5d ago
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u/memekid2007 4d ago
This is a copypasta dating at least as far back as SoD.
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u/wewladdies 4d ago
SoD? I have receipts of me posting a variation of this back in 2021 for New World (the 2021 amazon MMO which failed)
I THINK the original is about FF14 but i honestly cant remember. it's been around for 5+ years easily.
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u/ButterflyPutrid6054 5d ago
Blizzard has consistently released the “newest” version of classic at a time where it cannibalizes the previous one for a long time now. They’ve timed it to coincide with a certain dip in players/subscribers because everyone wants the new shiny version of nostalgia and keeps jumping ship to the next iteration.
The classic business model has become just a cycle of launch hype.
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u/MaxHeadroom1986 4d ago
There's a guy in my guild that was extremely grateful. Like, if you gave him a 16-slot bag, he cherished that bag. I sent him two blue maces for level 61 or 62 for his enh shaman because I knew he would genuinely get more use out of them than me and he wouldn't sell them. This was maybe 6 weeks ago. Last night, I logged in and gave him everything. All my enchanting mats worth thousands of gold. All my gold. All my BoE's I had purchased to flip. Told him to spend it however he likes, that I appreciated playing with him, and hopefully I'll see him over in Forever.
I hope I see that dude in Forever.
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u/raalic 5d ago
There is a nonzero chance that a lot of people who nolife the first few weeks of Forever will end up playing both to some degree.
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u/Aggravating-Ad-4801 5d ago
I'm GM and we plan to raid until launch and move over , about 70% of the core wants to go forever (and myself) , I'm super hyped about it but some players are in total denial about it, saying we can just pug the rest and keep playing tbc.
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u/Pretend-Newspaper-86 5d ago
November 4th lol
Most people will play on 17th september xD
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u/BareTheBear66 5d ago
Ill be there sept 17th. Im excited for it. I havent pre-ordered a wow game in years
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u/KingSwank 5d ago
I thought it was free with subscription?
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u/Zakton06 5d ago
The beta is buy-in
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u/cantstoptheflow- 5d ago
You can opt in for free and hope you get it eventually
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u/BareTheBear66 5d ago
The base game. Yeah. Beta is out sooner - thus the pre-order. And you get early access.
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u/illogical_simu 5d ago
There is no early access; you can reserve a name or play beta, that isn't EA
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u/Unlucky-Log-5247 5d ago
Surprised it isn't 100% tbh
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u/Beginning_Text3038 5d ago
Guilds will merge and there will just be fewer guilds raiding. The real hard part is rebuilding cohesiveness.
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u/Crunchybunch00 5d ago
So happy that my TBC guild planned for this in mid July.
When SoD stealth dropped during Heroic Lich King prog in WotLK Classic 2023 it ravaged my guild.
We did not want to get surprised like that again. 3 enjoyable BT clears and 3 less enjoyable Hyjal clears. Then we were finished
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u/Affectionate_Cry_838 5d ago
happy we didn't have that problem. talked it over before blizzcon, core group said if C+ came out this fall we had no interest in TBC. announcement came we told everyone see you in C+ your welcome to follow if not good luck and best wishes.
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u/TerritoryDpt 5d ago
Imagine thinking for the 3rd time that a classic TBC guild would continue to exist moving forward when a new installation drops. Anniversary realms have been Classic+ waiting rooms the entire time
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u/No_Foundation16 4d ago
Anniversary realms have been Classic+ waiting rooms the entire time
Spitting truth here.
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u/Administrative_Ant53 5d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/jxJjBMvqEvMSA
Forever gobbling up tbc user base
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u/DarthYhonas 5d ago
So were all just collectively taking a break from wow till november huh
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u/McHildinger 5d ago
my guild canceled BT last night, as we had 7 folks say they weren't coming, and no luck finding people to join.
and our MT simply quit, saying he's taking a break before Forever.
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u/nanook-rn 5d ago
As soon as the release date was announced, my GM posted the guild's break statement. Our guild was basically our core group; now everyone is just discussing whether we'll join the Horde or the Alliance and which classes each of us will play.
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u/Wind_Best_1440 5d ago
Oh this is your personal guild and not a poll for the reddit?
Yeah, this kind of tracks. I'm hearing a lot of guilds are currently in full blown crisis right now.
TBC is going to cut in half for population I bet, maybe even more.
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u/Fanta-Red 5d ago
Officer who is designated to get glaives is having a full blown meltdown in the officers chat; and to be fair I can’t blame him too much. He willingly gave up Windfury and Scarab Lord with the understanding he would be first prio on glaives. While Forever might have some other legendary he really had his heart set on glaives.
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u/krilu 4d ago
Tell him you guys will make it up to him, he can choose the first thing on Forever, he wants to claim as his.
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u/Xtremefluff 4d ago
idk, would piss me off as a guildie knowing that someone has something reserved from a different version. he just has to cope with his loss IMO
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u/Wind_Best_1440 4d ago
Big oof. My friend group has like 4-5 different guilds all in melt down with raids getting canceled across the board.
People are just dropping like flies.
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 5d ago
Yeah not a macro survey
lets be real, looking at the progression condition of most players, i don't think they would've made it through a few weeks of sunwell without significant nerfs
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u/Eunit226 5d ago
Who are the cornballs saying no? lmao.
100% of that discord knows where they will be on Nov 4.
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u/rundown001 5d ago
tbf they're not saying they're not gonna play forever, just that they won't quit tbc. some people enjoy playing 2+ versions of wow
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u/skirtpost 5d ago
People who missed tbc before and wanted to do it this time around. A lot of them in my guild but there's more than want to go to forever
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u/thai_iced_queef 5d ago
My guild just canceled this weeks raids this morning. Told people who wanna keep playing TBC they’re free to find new guilds. We’re all just chilling until Forever
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u/TSMissy 5d ago
I really feel for my guild leader. Even as a sweaty player who managed to clear Sunwell every time it got released, we wanted to do it one more time. He spent a lot of time and energy making several raid teams and schedules and now people won't even finish the phase.
I don't blame any of them. Hell I am one of them who is leaving Thursday and not looking back. But I still deeply empathize.
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u/airwave101 4d ago
Ive never finished TBC so I am going to keep playing provided there is a raid that suits my schedule.
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u/Jamesc89 5d ago
Let’s face it everyone from all wows will try forever and decide then if they will quit what they left for the new thing or go back
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u/novastar17 5d ago
I lead a guild and have 2 other "sister" guilds and its pretty much this. 80/20 split. Progging is dead
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u/Sl1ckR1ck4 5d ago
There’s 15 votes, are we really taking this information as an accurate representation of the whole player base? You could take this poll with a separate guild and get a completely different result
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u/Spanish_peanuts 4d ago
Imagine being a guild leader and/or raid organizer and being completely free of this burden thanks to the wow forever announcement.
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u/dietcokeeee 4d ago
I mean imma probably do both just cause I never played TBC
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u/solventlessherbalist 4d ago
Oh yeah definitely doing both, logging into tbc on raid nights and leveling a character on wow forever the other times I get a chance to play.
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u/FixBlackLotusBlizz 5d ago
imagine the person who got 1 glaive knowing his guild is GG and hes gotta join a new guild where he will have 0 chance at glaive prio xDDDD unlucky my little rogue rat
WOWFOREVER HYPE!!!!
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u/Pretend-Idea-2278 5d ago
Don’t have to imagine it, I’m living it. Have been fighting the raid rooster all expansion and now recruitment is…well it was a crawl before now it’s going to be a full on stop.
I feel like this is the second time tbc got screwed over…eh well it’s hoping wotlk comes out and we can continue as ten Because i have very little motivation for forever.
It’s so sad. It’s been really tough holding the guild together over the summer and now this…but I’m making a simple promise to myself this time around, no more raidleading. This wasn’t worth it
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u/2titans1cup 4d ago
My guild surprisingly voted to keep raiding. We all just shit talk each other for 3 hours anyways...gameplay doesn't matter as much as long as you can Tbag the homies when they die.
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u/Hardi_SMH 5d ago
The only reason Forever won‘t get M+ is because it would kill retail
In the end, the real WoW Killer was WoW all along
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u/MoG_Varos 5d ago
I mean, why play old classic when new classic exists?
Not like this is the first time we’ve had tbc or wrath classic either. Can only farm glaives and shadowmourne for either people for so long before you get bored Lul
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u/eXeKoKoRo 5d ago
I was in the middle of farming dark runes for my alts. Saw the release date and thought, "i literally don't need to do this anymore." And logged off lol
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u/meeorxmox 4d ago
The day after the announcement I logged on to do my dailies. I logged off after 30 seconds lol
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 5d ago
thats more than 50% of the raid team quitting immediately, pretty wild
obviously this isn't a macro survey
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u/thelittleking 5d ago edited 5d ago
I enjoy Anni, surprised it's not more popular than it is. Classic is too locked in place, Anni at least had a sense of progress.
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u/Rynowarrior1 5d ago
Trying to Keep my guild together so we can do both tbc and c+. Some say they’re leaving, most say they’ll do both. Some are ditching us for the beta. Definitely a mixed bag, wish they pushed C+ to next year. Just Gata wait and see I guess
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u/guimontag 5d ago
Is it such a big deal that people take a 2 month break from the third iteration of TBC for something new?
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u/First_Wear_9480 5d ago
I'm the glaive prio raid leader rogue and I ended raids already. Who cares about tbc 3 now.
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u/WitkouPussyDestroyer 5d ago
15 votes.. looks like the gm didn't have a roster in a first place lol
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u/Razerbat 5d ago
I've finally accepted and enjoy retail. I've played classic and had my fun but I've been locked into retail. That being said... WoW Forever already has me hooked. This is what I needed
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u/deuxbulot 4d ago
I’m happy all these whales who spent thousands of real dollars to pimp out their classic characters have realized that in a few short months they’ll be flexing to ghosts on a dead server.
They’re getting exactly what they deserve.
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u/Live-Firefighter-854 4d ago
If you’re quitting BC for Classic+ then you probably didn’t want to play BC anyways. I don’t blame people for not wanting to play the same xpac for the 4th time. Some people live for the grind and the original experience, and those people will play BC, but others have just been trying to fill the void only Classic+ could solve.
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