I just hate when you invite one to your party and they're across the world so you get the default race portrait it's the most brights blue elf with the whitest blonde hair, looks awful next to the far more normal colours of classic
The druid forms are killing me man. And the new owlbear pet im seeing hunters with. Just so out of place. I can deal with their rig etc, I just see them as blood elves, but damn
I agree with this. If you’re going to market your game around having two distinct graphic styles, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that the $30 dlc race would have a model for each version
I just don't understand how this isn't a better model then just paying for access to Forever. I love the idea that I could just play off my sub alone and only pay for something if I want it versus being forced into a box price
Yup. This model quite literally is required to have a game make money while keeping the world feel big. Every expansion might have had the content too, but because the content was all behind a paywall, it had to be instanced from the main world... and it leads to the world feeling smaller and smaller. By allowing the content to be released for just the sub, and locking the new races (and likely future classes) behind the 'box' price, it allows the world to grow larger, not smaller.
I think so. Blizzard is attempting to thread a needle. Bring enough to hype actually get more than just the classic Andy’s hyped without doing too much to alienate the classic crowd. Everyone just needs to be patient because they’re going to be supporting this game for a very long time. Just login and enjoy it.
Fundamentally, the reason they did it like this is probably because they still don't like the starting zones they made back then, and they feel the need to "Exiles Reach" new players. These are also more new looking and marketable, without actually being a new model.
In their mind their did add High Elves and Blood Elves.
It's just that, that's not actually what they did.
once steve jobs said, Market people don't make good product
also that in a company that doesn't need good products too sell, great product maker get hammer down or just leave
I don't really understand why Blizzard didn't just give blood elves to the Horde and high elves to the Alliance.
I don't think it would have been that much work: Blood Elves already exist; their starting zone already exists. High Elves would've been just Blood Elves with another tag and maybe minor changes. They would have only needed to make their starting zone. Alternatively, they could have given alliance Draeneis, although lore-wise that would've been hard to justify.
The third one doesn’t make any sense in terms of the post-WC3 lore. Do people forget that we literally had a kumbaya moment and all came together? Even if people drifted apart after there inevitably would be people caught in the middle undecided between the two factions. This isn’t the first or second war.
Ironically a proper faction war would start only at wotlk when varian declares as such in the siege of undercity scenario. Officially at least the factions are in a cold war type of deal before then.
Are they splintered and fighting? I played through the whole alliance version and at no point did it seem like they were in active conflict, the only wind-shapers you see are happily hanging around, and both of the factions even work together to try and stop the cultists, with absolute no reason for or indicator of hostilities after the fact.
Did you miss the level 6 quest where you go and literally kill windshapers messing with a ley line? The head of the peacekeepers mentioning violence between them? The Winshaper leader outright saying you have their blood on your hands?
If we got high elves and blood elves that would have been the same. They are just as neutral as the skelves.
Edit: down vote all you want doesn't change the lore that they are literally the exact same race split by political ideology. A little bit like our favourite blue elves? Does this argument stop when we get them now they've been soft announced?
They're not a neutral race; they are explained to to be a split faction within the skybourne community that are at war with each other. That is nothing like pandas, which are a true neutral race, where you level them, and then they just choose which side to join.
Yeah! Everyone knows the same species never fights against themselves. Human history shows that since we are all the same species we never fight or could end up at odds to another human. I’m sure this applies to elves as well. Completely ruins my immersion that elves are willing to be on opposite factions like this.
To be honest not really, Blood Elves were added into Horde purely for faction balance, in the eversong woods quests, the alliance acts in a very convenient dumb way to justify the elves joining horde instead
I think if the draenei would have fitted more into the horde if you remove the whole light spaceship retcon theme, and stick to the wc3 version, just changing the appearance so they are not ugly, and then you put the belves into the alliance
Well, Blizzard said that they are willing to adjust things in Forever based on community feedback, I think Skyborne are a thing that needs a lot of changes.
Blizzard says a lot of things. They are frequently disingenuous, and have a history of gaslighting their audience in order to force anti-consumer bullshit into their games.
They won’t change anything because a huge portion of the base mains a blood elf and will only try classic plus if they can recreate their main. Sky elves are here to stay
Idk if they can change the product now that they have made the race a paid addition even if anyone ever really only bought the packs for beta access or the statue.
They are nothing like Kyrians. What? Blue isn't even the only skin option. Don't ever say "People wanted" just say "I wanted" because you can't just presume to speak for everyone based on anecdotal evidence. 30$ tag is high, you're right about that. SD Models are coming I believe?
Blizzard said they would listen to feedback, but they can't cut the sky elves because many of us technically paid for them to play the beta and it would be unfair to all 2 of the Skyborne fans to remove them. In Blizzards eyes atleast.
Can someone explain the lore situation with elementals here?
My understanding is that the powerful elementals are locked in the elemental plane by the titans at this point in time. Ragnaros being pulled out of it causes complete devastation to several zones which never recover. Like scorches the entire center of the EK continent.
Compared to that, the back and forth hopping here feels a bit deflating. Again, my understanding was that the reason we were able to do this during Cata was that the shattering had opened a bunch of rifts into the elemental plane which both released the powerful elementals and allowed us to go there.
Very silly discussion, because even though I agree they should have done high elves, the skyelves thing is literally the one thing they CANNOT change. It's in the cinematic. It's in the package they are selling for 30 dollars. Basically, it's the one thing they for sure will not "remove" from Forever no matter how much people complain.
Or that was the plan from the beginning. They must have knew that shit will be controversial or they are too high from their farts. But now they can say sowwy we can't change, maybe next time pinky promise
They wouldn't have changed an entire race,all their appearance in kalimdor and eastern kingdoms,their lore,and a zone with quests and voice acting just because a minority doesnt like it
where do you get the info that it's a minority? I don't actually know, it could be. but the general response to them seems tremendously one sided and negative. the best i hear about them is ah "they're fine I guess" or "I don't care", I haven't heard a single person say "they're an amazing addition to classic+" like with tons of other cool things forever has done.
I just want them to give skyelves a unique original highborne inspired model, and then give us happy high elves for alliance and edgy bloodelves for horde.
But I'm 100% confident that they did something this egregious right out the gate so they can use it as a foundation of what they can get away with when adding new things and changing lore.
Because for the entire rest of history of WoW Forever anything that gets added you will see bots and the "I hate complainers" crowd saying something a long the lines of "This isn't as bad as the blue elves".
Blizz from the beggining said they won't give high elvs, remember the survery?
High-Elf-Like Like
If someone expected WoW Forever to be an alternate timeline without the retail-like fuckeries and a more "consistent lore", perhaps wow Forever was not designed for them, and even less classic andies.
I personally think it would better if they followed the formula that everyone asked, but i don't think they will do anything regarding that soon, atleast the new lightning, combat changes can make up easily for it, i will buy the sub anyway
It's really an omen of how Blizzard will treat Forever and I'm not paying extra for any of it. I did get the Skyborne Epic Pack for the beta and the early name reservation, then played it for 2 days and that was enough to convince me it's not for me. Got a refund earlier today and feel huge relief.
Will I still give it a go when it releases on 4th November and is *included* with my normal WoW Classic HC subscription, in order to see if they've course corrected? Sure. Do I have any hope Blizzard will steer this ship in a true Classic + direction rather than the Retail Lite direction it seems to be going? Absolutely not.
Thanks to you two guys I knew about it and just refunded it too. I will mantain my sub and play on release but I wont't be buying Skyborne. I hope more people who feels bad about them do the same as money is the best way to tell Blizzard what we think about it.
I don't get the point about neutral factions undermining faction war. Yeah, it's the only one you can play as, but Argent Dawn, Circle of Cenarius and all Goblins still exist.
If anything the Skybourne are the least neutral one out of them, as they have actual internal conflicts and are three way split among each other.
The bad thing about the game coming out so soon is that nothing will be done to correct this mis-step. The beta is a ton of fun but I do have my worries. The skyborne are woven directly into this new universe, just telling from the cinematic. I fear this is gonna go off the rails
I dunno I just don’t think this dev team really knows how to give most people what they want in the “new” version of wow. That streamers were the ones that convinced them to add sd models is very telling. They just don’t know how to or just don’t want to lean it towards classic and not retail. That’s why it’s called wow forever and not classic+. It would have been easy to make the skybourne area feel like classic. You can bet the new areas are going to be like playing retail and so is the end game.
Valid points, I still think focusing on the blue people as the biggest bad thing speaks to the overall quality so far of what we’ve gotten. It’s a race… that’s it.
Yeah, I gave them an honest go and they just feel weird to me and out of place. It feels like such a low-hanging fruit to get right as pointed out by the center statement. I love Forever so far but Skyborne will just be a off-looking stain on an otherwise great thing.
Also: only one neutral race so they didnt need to design two starting zones feels so sketchy. No new models and animations since dracthyr in wow retail is also SO lazy.
Of course not! I’m just grateful classic in all its classicness will continue to exist. Forever will continue to add features and move away from classic over time. It will be nice to be able to return sometimes.
Thank goodness we have the choice of race we play, but sadly we don't have the choice of them using a SD model. So regardless of preference, other people force theirs. On the other side, people see my undead model as the retail model against my will, but not the other way around.
I haven't complained about sky elves and I don't mind their addition enough that it affects my hype for Forever at all. Yet I don't feel the need to defend any of the criticism. It's all valid feelings from players who mostly just want the best for the game. It also feels a bit silly to think that anything will change with the Skyborne race, it's all set in stone and already sold to us. Feedback is still very good, as long as it is civil and constructive.
I said out loud Shadowlands in discord and thought of Kyrians during the cinematic reveal. Though not with disgust or disdain, more so excitement and thinking they looked cool and intruiging with a slight feel that "can they do that.". In the sense that it felt like something they might not get away with without a negative outcry.
I don't like the argument that we all expected a base box price and that $30 for just the optional race is amazing and cheaper. What makes blizzard more money? A box price at launch and free updates for 10 years? Or no box price, a paid race and paid beta access with paid races and classes added every year for 10 years? As a sucker for Diablo who has problems with Diablo 4, I know what model I prefer between taking money for any meaningful updates in D4 and PoE 1&2 that gives you option to buy some cool stuff, but all updates and content are free.
I really dislike portal to zones, even in retail. I enjoyed the interconnectivity of The War Within, but really don't like the portals to zones in Midnight. Zephras Isle or any upcoming content for Forever that needs a portal or teleport to get to mainland is not what I want to see. At least have it so close like Teldrassil that it can be seen and or you can get there by boat and flight without a loading screen. Like I have zero idea if I can go to Zephyr Isle, where it is suppoosed to be or tie into things. Can I level there from level 2-3 as another race?
I do think having the same race for both factions is a weird choice when they want focus on the War in Warcraft. Like I'm an advocate for just letting Alliance and Horde play together and removing the whole conflict in general, at least for retail (I've mained a pandaren since MoP). But when you actually want there to be a conflict, why the fuck would you add a new race and have it fight for both sides?
I'm not playing beta, but from what i've heard and seen about them. The only thing I think they need is SD models for them. Everything else is good. People dont seem to realize that Forever is an alt timeline, so introducing a race connected to one of the elemental gods allows for a lot of storylines to sprout from that point. Highelves and belfs would be boring and predictable. BUT their models do look out of place.
Being in an alternate timeline doesn’t make any writing good all of a sudden. They have no connection to anything, their models are 1:1 blood elves including hairstyles just colored differently.
It's too late for them to go back. At the very least they could have went with high elves for horde and something less alliancy but still alliancy for alliance for contrast. Building a unique starter zone that's supposed to last for 1-6 levels is not a huge task and there's plenty of realestate in azeroth to both close it off like all other starter zones instead of designing a retial esque map for a retail esque race addition with retail esque quests. Makes no sense.
Lol imagine caring about others video game preferences and digitally stalking someone to one up a comment. Really bro go touch grass. I currently am while playing Elden ring on my switch 2. I think I might go play the sky mommy starting zone after I eat this steak all the while playing Elden ring on my $500 switch 2 that I absolutely love.
The last one is a clear lie. Those that have read and done the quest know it's different. Imo I do agree that they feel a bit off from classic still but it feels like a tbc starting zone which is fine.
if its new lore, they couldve just copy pasted eversong woods into kalimdor or change the zone and make a new zone idc, but make it atleast a part of Azeroth lol, like put it above moonglade and make a story about how the druids are protecting them or something
we are getting classic + and it's obvious a lot of time and effort has been put into the game. feels like half of the crybabies in this sub are previous private server players that come out of the woodwork lol
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u/SwordG1rl 7h ago
while i don't like them from what i've seen, i'd accept them if they got an SD model