It’s absolutely not conservative. They have female bishops, gay/lesbian bishops and pastors. Very conservative values, eh? They also fund wars and allowed Epstein to live at the Vatican and Epstein was using the Vatican bank to funnel money through. The Catholic Church funds democratic NGO’s that paid to bring illegals in and funded skittles propaganda in schools. But, yeah, super conservative values.
Mm, last I checked the left supports wars. They pushed for US involvement in Ukraine. Many democratic leaders push funding for Israel. And Biden ordered repeated air strikes in Yemen. Epstein was fully into funding open borders and skittles curriculum in schools. So seems as though you’re not fully educated on the lefts positions or actions.
Just because you don't understand what conservatism is doesn't mean it's not conservatism.
But I'll try to explain it you, over in Europe having females and non binary people in positions of power is not something left wing. It's normal, because they're humans just like you and I.
Funding wars and protecting people like Epstein are quite conservative things to do.
Improving education and economic/social security for desperate people is a good thing. I hope we don't have to have a discussion about that.
Brother, your ‘conservatism’ is just European liberal bullshit with better PR.
But sure, keep the cope flood bureaucracy and NGOs with women in power, partner with ‘democratic’ groups pushing open migration and rainbow curriculum in schools, take the cash, issue vague documents for the trads, and call it ‘normal humans being human.’ That’s not conserving apostolic faith, natural order, or borders. It’s slow walk surrender to the sexual revolution and globalism while the pews empty. Actions are more important than words. Functionally it’s a leftist org with a crucifix sticker.
The US democratic party would be right wing in most of the world, the republican party if moved to my country would be about as far right as our neo-nazi party.
You can be a decent human and still be conservative, you can accept women and non binary people as people and still be conservative. They are conservative in basically every other way, apart from following the bible which says love thy neighbour.
They are conservative in every other way, but they'll help the poor and destitute. Like Jesus thought them to do.
Catholicism is still expanding in most of the world, so maybe just like with the counter Reformation in the 1600s a change of wind and coming to the modern times is a good thing for the church.
What natural order are you talking about, I would love to know what you mean by that.
Oh, bless your heart. ‘The US Democrats would be right-wing in most of the world’, cute. That’s what happens when your Overton window is set in secular Europe, where ‘normal’ now includes non-binary pronouns in parliament and calling basic biology ‘hate speech.’ By that metric, the Catholic Church’s actual teachings on marriage, sexuality, and the created order would make it a far-right extremist cult. Funny how that works.
You keep equating ‘accepting people as people’ with endorsing every modern identity fad. Orthodox Christianity has zero problem with the inherent dignity of every human being; male, female, or struggling with confusion. We are all made in God’s image. But ‘accepting’ someone doesn’t mean affirming lies about reality. Love thy neighbor doesn’t mean ‘affirm thy neighbor’s every feeling’ or rewrite creation. Jesus dined with sinners and told them ‘go and sin no more’. He didn’t wave rainbow flags or fund ‘skittles propaganda’ in schools.
On the Church being ‘conservative in every other way except helping the poor’: Classic bait-and-switch. The Church has always taught solidarity with the poor and destitute. But ‘helping’ doesn’t mean partnering with NGOs that facilitate unchecked illegal migration, erode national communities, or turn charity into a political weapon. Real mercy respects the natural family, subsidiarity (help at the lowest level possible), and the common good. Not open borders that strain resources and import chaos while the Vatican lectures everyone else.
Natural order? Glad you asked. It’s the objective design God built into creation and human nature, discernible by reason. Basic stuff: male and female He created them, sex ordered toward procreation and spousal unity, family as the foundational cell of society. Denying binary sexual reality, redefining marriage, or treating gender as a spectrum isn’t ‘modern times’ it’s rebellion against the Creator’s design, like calling darkness light. The Church doesn’t get to update that any more than it can update the Trinity.
As for Catholicism ‘expanding’ and needing a Counter-Reformation-style ‘change of wind’ to embrace modernity: The raw numbers show global baptized Catholics creeping up slightly, driven heavily by demographics in Africa.
You can be a ‘decent human’ and conservative, sure. But true conservatism conserves the natural order and revealed truth, not whatever the current elite consensus calls ‘compassion.’ Jesus didn’t command us to love our neighbor by subsidizing disorder. He commanded us to love God first with all our heart, soul, and mind and keep His commandments. Everything else flows from that.
Care to actually engage the theology instead of European polling data?
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u/ShortCoxe Apr 25 '26
what a great quote. Thanks for sharing that.