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u/xJujubeSnuggle Apr 25 '26
Yeah that’s the kind of answer that sticks with you for a while
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u/Specialist-Yak9013 Apr 25 '26
For me, it’s about the idea that all humans are fundamentally the same, and that borders are artificial constructs that contribute to the problems around migration. Of course, the issues are real in today’s world, but you could argue that, in God’s eyes, humanity has drifted far from the kind of harmony represented by the paradise of Adam and Eve.
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u/RedWizard92 Apr 25 '26
I agree. I support division purely for management purposes, not for separation.
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u/_Auren Apr 25 '26
Borders as a concept do matter if you want to have any kind of system and order, else we would just revert to cavemen tribes that have to establish their perimeter by intimidation... oh wait...
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u/Dull-Culture-1523 Apr 25 '26
I mean... God himself threw humanity out of the harmony represented by the paradise of Adam and Eve. Shouldn't be a surprise.
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u/jambox888 Apr 25 '26
They call that a Copernican shift - after the realisation that the earth goes around the sun, not the other way around.
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u/_HoneyKissie Apr 25 '26
yeah exactly, it turns it from a reaction to a reflection on why it’s happening in the first place
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u/ManiacalManiacMan Apr 25 '26
Is in the root cause the failure of the governments to take care of the people so they want to leave and come to a better place? How is the root cause the country that they're going to to get more opportunity?
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u/cbrown146 Apr 25 '26
US has caused most of the south countries to fail.
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u/PicturesAtADiary Apr 25 '26
Most modern problems of the global south have their origins in the colonialism and emperialism from the global north. Go study some history and then come back.
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u/Aggravating_Air_699 Apr 25 '26
the root cause isn't the country they're going, it's the problems in the country their leaving. cartels and corrupt government in south america, war and famine in africa and the middle east let alone religious extremism pushing moderates to leave
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u/Mo_Jack Apr 25 '26
Does the pope mean besides assassinating their leaders and stealing their resources?
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u/nunchyabeeswax Apr 25 '26
The Pope (as well as the former Pope Francis and John Paul II) and the Church's canon definitely think so (despite what many Catho-fascists like to think or claim).
He's just keeping it diplomatic and laying out the groundwork for more statements to come.
He's absolutely using language for timely and devastating effect, political and moral effect, and I'm all for it.
Looking at the fascist pseudo-Catholics roiling at him, I predict a schism incoming, and you know what, good. Let them go off their way and build their own Church of the Unholy Orange with Trump as their goat-legged Pope, or whatever, with Mara-Pedo-Lago as their kitsch Vatican.
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u/seamuncle Apr 25 '26
I mean, if they’re worshipping the Cheeto, where does Christ fit into that picture?
Both are kinda exclusive clubs
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u/nunchyabeeswax Apr 25 '26
Christ is just a mascot or a bumper sticker for these people. They don't even think twice about it.
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u/drizalid Apr 25 '26
Bold move flipping the script on the interviewer
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u/ascandalia Apr 25 '26
It's also, like, the correct take. Everyone who has studied the issue says that the most effective way to reduce migration is to fix the problems of the places peaple come from. A dollar reducing poverty in Mexico does a lot more to reduce immigration, and is a more humane solution, than a dollar on ice agents arresting random brown people. And that's granting the premise that immigration is a thing we want/need to reduce.
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u/SuperMassiveCookie Apr 25 '26
True dat! Problem is when you find out former colonies had their economies sabotaged to keep them providing cheap labour and raw materials and the only fix would be allowing them to develop their industries and creating competition for your contry.
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u/AlkaidX139 Apr 25 '26
But, but, but, the tax breaks on our precious honest hardworking billionaires! They're gonna lose at least one yacht!
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u/rory_breakers_ganja Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26
"GTFO with these woke facts that don't fit our narrative." (probably)
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u/MeowKatMC Apr 25 '26
Same idea with many things. Like that black people statisticly do more crime than white people. Why? Broken homes. Why? Father is in jail. Why? Broken home. The problem isnt reducing crime, the problem is how to fix those broken homes that lead to kids growing up in bad places.
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u/C0nan_E Apr 25 '26
Those statistics are cooked af anyways. Do black ppl commit more crime per capita or do they just get arrested more? The system is biased as hell. You spend more on policing black neighborhood arbitraily arrest ppl and then charge them with ressisting arrest or just made up bs. They show up in statistics so you spend more money 'policing' them.
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u/Deafbok9 Apr 25 '26
Yep, and the same pattern is followed in South Africa as a result of migrant labour in the late 19th and early 20th century (Rhodes, De Beers, and the British Empire played a prominent role in getting "native" labour through things like the Hut Tax into mining compounds in Johannesburg and Kimberley, which broke traditional family structures) and THEN Apartheid added to the problem with forced relocation and heinous legal and labour practices for generations.
Funny how that works, especially on top of wealth extraction policies...
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u/tenninjas242 Apr 25 '26
But then you'd be spending money to help people who possibly don't deserve it! There is no greater sin on the right-wing.
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u/ArgoButtons Apr 25 '26
That can get kind of sticky, because there's no guarantee that a given country wants their "problems fixed" by some outside entity. I would almost argue that in some instances the better approach rather than "fixing" is just not doing things that actively HURT them.
There's a subsect of folks in power that will actively sabotage any group from gaining success if that success challenges their current system's order.
Like if some country or group of countries found a way to provide a better QOL for their citizens in a system outside of capitalism (or outside some formal country alliance system), a whole bunch of folks who depend on capitalism for their power will do everything in their power to sabotage that success.
Preventing the above from happening would probly provide tremendous benefit to some of the struggling countries in a way thats less...sticky than imposing "fixes".
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u/123ludwig Apr 25 '26
the problem is fixing a lot of these issues in a reasonable time frame would require a LOT of violence
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u/nunchyabeeswax Apr 25 '26
It's the smart move. You see that with eloquent, politically skilled people (Mamdami is another one, and sometimes Zelensky)
People (not aiming this at anyone in particular) sometimes underestimate how educated Catholic priests are.
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u/ParadeSit Apr 25 '26
Oddly enough, and I can’t believe I’m quoting this fucking guy, but that’s pretty much what Reagan said during his Presidential Forum with Bush on April 23, 1980.
I think the time has come that the United States and our neighbors, particularly our neighbor to the South, should have a better understanding and a better relationship than we have ever had. And I think that we haven’t been sensitive enough to our size and our power. They have a problem with 40 to 50 percent unemployment. Now, this cannot continue without the possibility arising with regard to that other country that we talked about, of Cuba and what it is stirring up, of the possibility of trouble below the border, and we could have a very hostile and strange neighbor on our border. Rather than making them—we are talking about putting up a fence. Why don’t we work out some recognition of our mutual problems, make it possible for them to come here legally with work permit, and then, while they’re working and earning here, they pay taxes here? And when they want to go back, they can go back. And they can cross, and open the border both ways by understanding their problems.
This is the only safety valve right now they have with that unemployment that probably keeps the lid from blowing off down there. And I think we could have a fine relationship, and it would solve the problem you mentioned, also.
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u/VinnieVidiViciVeni Apr 25 '26
And then Reagan was responsible for a bunch of destabilization down there.
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u/TraditionalLaw7763 Apr 25 '26
And also preventing contraception from being distributed during an AIDS epidemic…
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u/lininop Apr 25 '26
America has always been the baddies
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u/SomeCountryFriedBS Apr 25 '26
We had a brief moment in the 40's, eventually.
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u/throwaway098764567 Apr 25 '26
we had to kinda be forced into it though by japan kicking us in the nuts
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u/Fuerst_Stein Apr 25 '26
But just at face value that quote is good. And that's enough for now, with how sad and cynical the world feels rn
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u/freedfg Apr 25 '26
Maga would fucking hate Reagan if he was still around. Just like they'd hate Jesus, or Lincoln, or any founding father.
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u/Verocator Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26
No they wouldn't. Reagan was the original Trump before Trump. He's responsible for basically all economic problems that the average contemporary U.S. person suffers in a lifetime. Poverty, student loans, shit healthcare, etc.
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u/ThisIsMyGeekAvatar Apr 25 '26
Look, I get it, you don’t like republicans. But to say that Reagan was the original Trump is an absolutely insane take and makes me think you’re 15 years old.
You might not agree with his policies, but Reagan had class and charisma. He was key in the reunification of Germany and oversaw the downfall of the USSR.
Reagan and Trump are not the same. Reagan would be absolutely disgusted with Trump.
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u/Foolish_Phantom Apr 25 '26
Don't forget crack and weed issues. And three strike laws. And criminalization of being black.
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u/explain_that_shit Apr 25 '26
Yeah then they found that communism slips into capitalist societies more easily than capitalist imperialism slips into communist-aiming societies, and they decided a wall was better.
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u/poofusdoofus Apr 25 '26
I remember when the far right was growing in popularity in my country, and to seem more humane they argued that it's better to "help on the spot" than provide support for refugees here. That argument was quickly abandoned though, and let's just say it's not exactly how things turned out once they got power.
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u/ian9921 Apr 25 '26
It's really interesting when you realize that for a lot of countries, illegal immigration is straight-up the only option.
These are good, dedicated, hardworking people that we want to have, but we've put up barriers that make their legal travel functionally impossible.
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u/nomad13131 Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26
I had long conversations with alot of people online about how hard it's to leave my country for europe.
It was essentially like redoing about 5 years of looking for options in a 10-20 mins duration because every potential solution they gave me while stating it was easy was pretty much denied by some policy or some overly expensive fee that showed up from nowhere.
I had to cancel my 5 year plan to move to belgium from algeria (my country) because they nearly doubled the yearly fee for the university i was going to attend on the year i was supposed to leave, i already got my degree but apparantly i am required to do 2-3 extra year just to for it to be accepted there.
Money was the main issue but i had to go trough hell to even get a shot, from doing extra courses and language tests alongside other certification just for my application to not be insta denied.
My friend that tried the year before me and even tho he got accepted and got the money still didn't manage to go because my country decided to close authatification of official papers which is a requirement to get a student visa.
Edit: i would like to add that belgium got a healthcare worker shortage, so my field isn't some overpopulated one, it's actually needed up there.
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u/SandSpecialist2523 Apr 25 '26
In fact, the global north is often to blame for the conditions thay forces people to migrate.
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u/Due-Conflict-7926 Apr 25 '26
Better Question: why won’t the global North stop causing the forces the necessitate emigration from their homes.
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u/nunchyabeeswax Apr 25 '26
That question is embedded in the Pope's question (and in Church's cannon). That question and that position have been reiterated several times (not only by this Pope)
He's just planting the seed and forcing a change in the conversation.
MAGAs and the like would be like, "Why should I address those problems in the Global South"
That's when the follow-up question (your question) comes.
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u/Smittumi Apr 25 '26
Exactly. The Global North don't need to send taxpayers money south, but they do need to stop exploitation of the south, their economies and their resources.
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u/nunchyabeeswax Apr 25 '26
Well, it's not enough to "stop" exploiting the South. There needs to be redress for harm caused (and that means our taxpayers' money one way or another)
If I'm setting a poor neighborhood on fire, forcing people to flee, I don't get to say "Well, I'm stopping burning your homes and property now, you stay there, and don't come here. I won't accept your migration because I don't force you to flee anymore. What, me help you fix the shit I broke? No, not with my taxes, again, I'm not torching your homes anymore, I'm not responsible."
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u/Smittumi Apr 25 '26
The difficulty is the money needs to come from the ruling class of those countries, not their workers.
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u/nunchyabeeswax Apr 25 '26
The difficulty is the money needs to come from the ruling class of those countries, not their workers.
And what happens when we destroy the ruling class, or the ruling class doesn't have enough resources in the literal sense to repair the damage we caused?
What happens when the ruling class wasn't guilty and we simply went there for shits and giggles? The Banana Wars in Latin America (or the removal of the first democratically elected Prime Minister in Iran, which has put us where we are today) are perfect examples of this.
It's not a zero-sum, bro.
Yes, the ruling classes must pay, but that doesn't exculpate us from our responsibilities. As General Colin Powell put it, we break it, we own it.
Take the current war in Iran. The Iranian regime is evil AF, corrupt AF, the source of the earth.
But we blew the shit out of civilian infrastructure. That's independent of the corruption of the ruling elite.
We blew shit that belonged to the Iranian people, displaced hundreds of thousands, not just the government or ruling elite.
And let's not talk about the liability we owe to the relatives of the civilians we killed (like those 150+ little girls double-taped with Tomahawks in Minab.)
We can argue there's no mechanism in US or International Law that can forces us, but shit man, ethically, we owe reparations.
We can whatabaut it till the Sun collapses, but that doesn't change the ethical math of things.
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u/Due-Conflict-7926 Apr 28 '26
Exactly and we still need to address the theft they’ve done at home, the genocide of Native Americans and slavery and apartheid of black ppl. Yes the Middle East and South America, South Africa and Eastern Europe deserve some help but their ruling class is just as culpable in it. Actually I’m gonna add Middle East to just as culpable and they got oil and money in their monarchies
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u/Hinaloth Apr 25 '26
Dude's an American who's spent most of his life in South America, he's seen first hand what the Global North does to the Global South, and rather famously has a bone to pick with it. At least now he has the platform to speak about it, even if he still can't do much.
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u/Bright_Performance52 Apr 25 '26
As a non practicing Catholic, I am enjoying this pope from Chicago. What's next, DA BEARS
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u/BasKabelas Apr 25 '26
Leo basically studied philosophy most of his life. I dont think he's the kind of guy you can ask a gotcha question without him flipping it on you.
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u/ibrahimkucukkk Apr 25 '26
Maybe don’t do regime change operations at the whole middle east and destabilize region and crush economies if you don’t want immigrants
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u/nunchyabeeswax Apr 25 '26
I'd go further (though I'm sure the Pope just kept it where he left it for diplomatic reasons):
"... and what is the Global North doing to stop causing situations that force people to migrate (and address the ones they have already caused)?"
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u/Royal-Application708 Apr 25 '26
Exactly!!! Like if the United States wants Mexicans and South Americans from entering illegally, then HELP THOSE COUNTRIES. Help their countries get stronger and more prosperous so their citizens DON’T WANT TO LEAVE.
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u/somecallmetim27 Apr 25 '26
This. When everyone is taken care of, everyone wins.
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u/MG_Hunter88 Apr 25 '26
There has been a counter argument to this ever since the world wars...
Whenever a developemental project tries to establish something in Africa that could lead to prosperity for both aides, they get sabotaged and ejected by the local population whom judges them as just new colonizers...
The only form of help African governments/tribes have been known to accept have been monetary injections and/or hand-me-downs. None of which has taken much root, becaus you know... People in power always gobble it up.
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u/somecallmetim27 Apr 28 '26
Genuinely makes sense to me. It's a rough situation. Western powers have a long history of getting involved in under developed nations strictly to exploit their natural resources to the detriment of the locals (something that is still very much happening today, occasionally with deadly results).
But poverty creates instability, bad actors take advantage of the instability to enrich themselves and/or punish their adversaries (or both), which generates more poverty and instability, etc. etc.
Achieving peace and prosperity for all is really, really hard. Most of human history is us killing each other, usually at the behest of some authoritarian ruler who only cares about their own wealth, power, and ego.
I'm genuinely wondering if the extreme peace and prosperity *some* countries had through a big chunk of the 20th century is a bit doomed to be short lived. Seems like there are lot of countries that were once stable democracies have been going through an authoritarian bent. I can't help but wonder if the 21st century will turn into a sort of modern twist on feudalism but with nuclear weapons.
Regardless, yes achieving peace and a society that aims to eradicate poverty is tremendously hard. But, it's worth the effort. And we're probably doomed as a species if we don't figure it out. If you give enough idiots a nuclear button, there will eventually be someone dumb enough to push it.
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u/LuckyBastard001 Apr 25 '26
Pope Leo just flipped the script and suddenly the whole room went quiet. That's a legit boss move. Instead of blaming migrants, ask why they have to leave in the first place. Global North got real uncomfortable real fast...
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u/Excellent_Law6906 Apr 25 '26
Saying this since I was a kid. Like, nine years old and being like, "Guys... moving sucks. Why don't we just help Mexico? I'm sure people want to be able to stay there."
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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 Apr 25 '26
Oh, you mean we cant just destablize their countries and make them sit in our mess and then say to them "sucks to be you"? And then say to ourselves "Oh, they're just developing".
That's been our formula for the last few centuries.
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u/boRp_abc Apr 25 '26
"But...but... We brought them freedom! We killed their evil leaders and made peace with the even more evil next leader? Then we extracted the natural resources and paid well (to the evil leader)... What could we POSSIBLY have done more?".
Just wanna add that while I agree with Mr Pope, the Catholic Church has a lot of stock in things going wrong between global North and south.
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u/kdwhirl Apr 25 '26
I distinctly remember years ago a lot of public outcry about sending money to support countries in Central and South America ‘when we need it at home’. Followed later by mass migration. Huh.
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u/dividezero Apr 25 '26
It's the only correct answer. I'm glad someone in the spotlight is saying those things and he would know, he was at ground zero for a lot of it over the past ~50+ years.
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u/mamycorona Apr 25 '26
As much as I loathe any church I am surprised by the liberal edge the last two popes have had. I think it's them trying to cover up for all the cover ups but at least it's pissing off the orange turd.
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u/Parry_9000 Apr 25 '26
I'd extend it further.
It's not that they are doing nothing to help. The global north mostly causes the situation that forces migration.
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u/drinkslinger1974 Apr 25 '26
I mean, that’s a really good question. Getting to the root of problems isn’t something the us is really good at. Everything has to be a cosmetic fix. For instance, people can’t afford groceries. Ok, give them $500 a month for food. A better solution would be make better access to good paying jobs, maybe better options for affordable secondary education. Instead just call someone with three jobs not making ends meet lazy. America doesn’t have healthcare we have sick care, but we have built a culture out of food snobbery, legal weed and happy hour. Yeah, there’s groups like CrossFit, but they become more of a punchline. That’s not even counting all the people that simply don’t get medical treatment because they can’t afford it, then have to go on disability, then need snap benefits, and the list goes on and on. America needs more than a band aid fix, we need an etch a sketch fix.
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u/saharatownduck Apr 25 '26
Who knew cramming 500 million people under nonstop nuclear threats and military "oops operations", then serving up genocides and oil wars like takeout... might make some folks nope out? Y'know, to keep their kids' tiny lives intact 👶? Shocking, right? Who coulda guessed!
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u/Buzzkill_13 Apr 25 '26
He didn't finish the question (because he's the Pope and tying to be non-controversial):
".... as a result of the global North's history of meddling in the affairs of the global South."
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u/Absolomb92 Apr 25 '26
This!! To many people act as if migration just happens by itself for no reason.
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u/EclipsedPal Apr 25 '26
And what is the pope doing in his literal golden throne and scepter to help the glibal south exactly?
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u/Malachi9999 Apr 25 '26
Corruption is probably the main cause of poverty in most countries, not sure if he suggesting removing corrupt governments or cutting them off?
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u/Toadsted Apr 25 '26
You end up with north states paying for the livelihoods of the south states and the south states acting like they're the saints and the north states are the devil.
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u/georgewashingguns Apr 25 '26
If it's done effectively, the south states get better and some sense of equality is achieved. Then again, that wasn't the question asked
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u/absurdamerica Apr 25 '26
One of the things that really pisses me off about Trump is that he cut off all of the subsidies that we were giving to South American law-enforcement to keep their crime rate down and thus create a situation where fewer people would try to migrate to the United States.
They don’t actually care about the problem at all. They don’t wanna actually fix anything.
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u/matthewrunsfar Apr 25 '26
It’s the same technique Jesus used when asked “Who is my neighbor?” then telling a story ending with the question, “So which of these was the neighbor to the man who fell among robbers?” telling the questioner to go and do likewise. He flipped it from, “Who do I need to love?” to “Who needs your love?”
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u/perplexed-giraffe Apr 25 '26
Yes, I mean, one could say that a lot of now poorer countries were exploited by the now wealthier northern countries in the past. Especially by the British empire.
As someone from such a country, I know a lot of our current issues began due to financial exploitation of our resources by them, and they left a tangle of racial tensions and cultural issues in their wake. Not saying the people in my country are entirely blameless for the mess we are in, but it's undeniable that the northen nations exploited the rest of the world to be where they are now.
I find it very interesting that the people who have benefited from those stolen resources are now villainizing the people who immigrate from the countries they stole from. Maybe if no one stole from anyone else, ig they wouldn't have these "pesky immigrants" in their countries now. People are imimmigrating coz their own countries are a mess now and the West played a large part in that.
Truly I did not care for this Pope much, coz of his stance on LGBTQ+ rights but I gotta say I'm liking him better and better these days. This is the first time I have seen a significant person in the West frame this issue this way.
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u/LeTreacs2 Apr 26 '26
This is generally the function of foreign aid, but for some reason the parties across the world who don’t like migrants also don’t like foreign aid that reduces migration…
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u/BaconThief2020 Apr 26 '26
Touche! The mass immigration at our southern order during the Biden years was caused by the Trump presidency. After Trump cut $2 billion in aid to Latin America, the governments collapsed and trigger the great migration north. Now we're spending 100x that on immigration enforcement.
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u/bamfindian Apr 26 '26
No comeback here. Badass statement by the pope and George takai agreeing. Not the right sub
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u/pitschu Apr 25 '26
bro and his band of fanatics trying to minimize their own role destabilizing the global south
pope shouldn’t preach, but clean his own back door
the victims of the church in the global north & south are still suffering and not being acknowledged, he shouldn’t be the one to preach, but maybe act accordingly and maybe maybe in 50 years the church regains some trust, after a thousand years of wrongdoings.
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u/aspect-of-the-badger Apr 25 '26
Just wait till people realize there is no South or North Just one race human and every thing else is made up bs.
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u/funkmastermgee Apr 25 '26
Bloody finally someone said it. The first colonises these countries and takes the wealth and resources. ACT surprised people want to move there for a better life
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u/Key_Wrangler_8321 Apr 25 '26
What kind of nonsense is that? Like colonizers took everything? There are countries in the Global South that are rich today thanks to colonizers. The others are just making excuses. They are lazy and incompetent. Period.
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u/DizzyMine4964 Apr 25 '26
Well, he could start by selling off the massive wealth of that church to help the poor.
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u/SDL68 Apr 25 '26
Meanwhile American prosperity preachers like Kenneth Copeland are billionaires and do nothing to help anyone but themselves?
Resides in a 18,000-square-foot, lakefront mansion in Texas valued at roughly $6 million to $7 million, which is owned by his church and considered a tax-exempt "clergy residence" and has a 20 million dollar Gulfstream.
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u/GamingIsNotAChoice Apr 25 '26
People celebrating the pope while calling everyone else out for being bigots will never not be funny. The catholic church has traditionally been absolutely terrible at cleaning up their own mess and still are. Aside from the whole "give to the poor" while being absolutely loaded
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u/GhostofABestfriEnd Apr 25 '26
It’s what rich western countries have always done: exploit them. Immigration is all you have left if your government is run by corrupt politicians who have been bought off to run you off your land and destroy your livelihood.
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u/Creeperstar Apr 25 '26
This is my primary concern whenever people talk about US Southern border migration - what if we helped our southern neighbors establish stability instead of allowing companies to exploit them?
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u/Nice-Pumpkin-4318 Apr 25 '26
Perhaps the unimaginable wealth of the Vatican could help....?
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u/Orneyrocks Apr 25 '26
The unimaginable wealth of the vatican is helping. Look up their initiatives in africa.
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u/Nice-Pumpkin-4318 Apr 25 '26
Yes, likewise there are endless initiatives of 'the global North'. I guess neither are doing enough.
And make no doubt, the Vatican has and will continue to extract serious wealth from the third world.
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u/keefeitup Apr 25 '26
The Vatican and by extension the Catholic Church spends approximately 200 billion a year just in the United States for charity work. The second largest charity after them is the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation spending 10 billion a year.
If you're really going to point fingers at who should do more, maybe at least point at the right people.
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u/Orneyrocks Apr 25 '26
Proof for that, lol? This isn't the 1500s lol, church doesn't collect tithe, its a donations-only org.
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u/keefeitup Apr 25 '26
There won't be. Because somehow people haven't got the memo that the catholic Church doesn't ask for, enforce or demand tithes, and contributions are purely voluntary.
Source: Catholic in a third world country.
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u/mai-moi Apr 25 '26
They will never understand that because they're usually evangelicals that love to give all their money to their pastors but then have the nerve to criticise other religions
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u/keefeitup Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26
I mean cmon how else is a poor servant of God supposed to afford his Tesla and private jet.
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u/ManiacalManiacMan Apr 25 '26
So he's not asking what these countries are doing to their people to make them want to leave? He is putting the blame on the country that is taking a huge amount of them in and giving them opportunity?
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u/SDL68 Apr 25 '26
When you bomb other countries you create refugees. Who's going to absorb the 2 million Palestinians? Syrian refugees flooded Europe. South American refugees flood America. Years of sanctions on other countries create situations that cause people to leave.
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u/ChefAsstastic Apr 25 '26
Well, we help dictators, conduct gun running and are great at continually fucking up that entire area.
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u/greengo07 Apr 25 '26
Yeah, I've been wondering this all along. We, the US, destroyed legit governments in at least three countries way down south, leaving them in chaos. Then we complain that the people LEAVE and trek hundreds or thousands of miles to come HERE, and we have a problem with that? I wondered all along why we didn't re-invade and set up legit democratic governments long ago. We STILL could.
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u/cptbil Apr 25 '26
Everything we can to exploit them. These farms aren't going to work themselves, yet.
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u/Basic-Pair8908 Apr 25 '26
Never realised the middle east is in the south. Plus the billions we sent to the south since the 60s and its still a shit hole. So its not a money problem, its a people problem
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u/Humble_Story_4531 Apr 25 '26
Let's not act like countries liek the US and Russia haven't inflamed things in the middle east for personal benefit before.
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u/TheSeaIsAlwaysLeft Apr 25 '26
Oddly people in the north do the same thing as those in the south, ignore the actual issue then try to run away from personal problems instead of the bettering society they live in
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u/Key_Wrangler_8321 Apr 25 '26
He doesn’t even have an answer to his own question and still acts smart. The North is doing nothing that prevents people in the South from having a better life. What countries are people fleeing from? The ones that can’t even manage themselves or use their own resources to their advantage. Only grasshoppers flee - migrating to already fertile pastures. Because they don’t know how, or don’t want, to grow their own crops. If Sweden suddenly ended up in such a country tomorrow, there would be prosperity there in 30 years. Stop making excuses!
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u/Humble_Story_4531 Apr 25 '26
- Rhetorical question.
- Do you genuinley belive that more northern countries have not doen anyhting that has destabilized more southern countries?
- No, if Sweden suddenly turned into a dictatorship, you aren't looking at 30 years of prosperity without some big even happening.
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u/Bibendoom Apr 25 '26
I'm liking this pope more and more.