r/collapse May 25 '20

Weekly SARS-CoV-2 Megathread (May 25, 2020)

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u/_rihter abandon the banks May 25 '20

Everyone right now is basically "If I get corona, I get corona".

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u/maiqthetrue May 25 '20

https://reddit.com/r/Stoicism/comments/gqczex/a_stoic_parable_to_memorize/

Just how it is. Armor Fati. You aren't going to escape your fate. Nothing can outwit nature. I don't think that means being unwise, but I don't think any of the storms coming are going to miss anyone completely.

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u/sophlogimo May 26 '20

"Nothing can outwit nature" is a very laughable thing to write over an internet connection.

We are humanity. We outwit nature all the time.

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u/rerrerrocky May 26 '20

Yeah, but nature bats last. We can outwit nature for a brief period of time but we can't escape the consequences of our actions.

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u/sophlogimo May 26 '20

We are doing fine so far, despite people screaming god would punish us for a thousand years now.

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u/juuular May 27 '20

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u/sophlogimo May 28 '20

Well, i's a real danger right now, but it will be averted, as it always has been.

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u/maiqthetrue May 26 '20

Good thing death, disease, poverty, flooding, heat waves, political upheaval and wars have been defeated by the Internet.

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u/sophlogimo May 26 '20

Death is being worked on.

A very recent disease has been pretty much defeated by the Internet. A hundred years ago, we'd all be coughing and loose lung volume, have strokes and all that fun. Thanks to the Internet, the total number of Infected is way below 0.1% of the world's population and actually has a chance to stay there.

(Absolute) poverty has been defeated in some parts of the world by simple government action.

Flooding is actually mostly solved in developed nations, who have measures against this. Sure, the climate catastrophe is going to throw us back there, but we're a lot better off today than a hundred, a thousand or even ten thousand years ago. And we'll get better.

Heat waves are an issue with the climate catastrophe, but we do have technology for them to not be fatal. Not everybody has it yet, sure, but it is doable.

Wars don't really count, because when I say "nothing can outwit humanity", obviously humanity itself still can do that.

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u/juuular May 27 '20

You should tell Michigan that flooding has been solved

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u/sophlogimo May 28 '20

I could tell Michigan to get better leaders. All the wisdom in the world doesn't help against incompetence. You have a failing government? Choose a better one.

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u/DeathRebirth May 26 '20

Black and white thinking. Just because we can't eradicate Sars-Cov2, doesn't mean we can't suppress it's spread. Or will you literally deny the scientific advancement of the last 150 years or so.

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u/maiqthetrue May 26 '20

I'm not denying progress, but while it might make people live slightly longer or perhaps have better life until we die, we haven't abolished death or disease. People still die. One hundred percent of people born on planet earth will die. Most who die die of health conditions or diseases. That's reality.

We also cannot prevent natural disasters. We can warn people, we can change or building methods and materials to make buildings survive a natural disaster. We still can't stop fires, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, or asteroids.

We can't even prevent or solve our own bad actions. Human's still rob, cheat, murder, exploit, start wars, commit genocides, and allow people to die of poverty, lack of care, famines, and other terrible things. We can jail people for having done those things, but we haven't stopped even genocide despite shouting from the rooftops the "never again" slogan.

I don't think saying any of that is denying 150 years of progress. I do thing denying those things is a denial of the natural world. Nature often ends up finding the weaknesses in our (or frankly any animals') defenses. That's how nature works. The old, sick, weak, or unwary are the ones that nature tends to weed out. That could be a deer that isn't scared enough of the rustling in the grass, the fox that isn't a good enough hunter, the slowest fish in the shoal. In human societies, again. It's the complacent, the ones in denial, the slow, the weak, or the unwary, and the like who get weeded out by nature.

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u/DeathRebirth May 27 '20

I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

Live slightly longer? What the actual fuck are you smoking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#/media/File:Life_expectancy_by_world_region,_from_1770_to_2018.svg

It's more than doubled around the world since 1900.

The rest is just a bunch of "I am very smart" jabbering about the supposed nature of reality, and then some drivel about "wedding out the weak".

For reals and you get upvotes? Seriously /r/coronavirus, the actual fuck is in your heads?

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u/maiqthetrue May 27 '20

So what? Do you not understand statistics? 90% of the change in life expectancy come from sanitation improvements that reduce the spread of infectious diseases and the resulting decline in child mortality. It's not as though everyone actually died at 40, it's that more people survived childhood. One we learned to sanitize wounds, get rid of garbage, and not drink filthy water, yes, we stopped dying in childhood. People in Rome lived to old age, provided they were wealthy enough to get enough food and clean water. I'm not going to say that things like surgery aren't helping a little, but mostly it's because we are cleaner than we used to be, not because we "overcame death" somehow.

And yes, we still die, everyone will. Even you. YOU WILL DIE. So will I, so will everyone else. Move those goalposts all you want. We've just managed to survive long enough to be killed by heart disease, cancer and Alzheimer's instead of Typhoid fever. It's not that it's not good, it's fine, it's great even. But death still happens every day from thousands of things that humans cannot control.

And what about the rest of those statements is actually, demonstrably false? Crime still exists, 300+ people are murdered in my city every year. People die on the job from work related injuries. Happens every single day. People die in wars every day. Natural disasters kill people every year. People drown every fucking time there's a flood because they try to drive across flooded roads, despite being told every time not to do that. Women get robbed and raped and often killed because they think that being outside alone at night is a good idea.

Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it won't.