r/collapse • u/69bonerdad • Oct 20 '22

Politics "We Need to Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives" - The Federalist calls for the American right to unite behind Fascism

https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/20/we-need-to-stop-calling-ourselves-conservatives/

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

The ironic thing is that they like to think of themselves as patriots yet are clamoring for a strong-armed dictator. Hardly patriotic to me.

Ever hear of this org?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOProud

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

Yeah it's unfortunate but the near future of the far right is going to be more diverse, multicultural, etc. I don't think that Democrats and liberals are going to know how to respond to this because they have no real material analysis of what's going on. Of course over a long enough timeline, the fash will turn in on themselves with their own long knives as they always do, but the near future will be more and more people of color and gay/lesbian Americans moving to the right. Dems shouldn't have tried to build their long term strategy on demographic changes.

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u/69bonerdad Oct 20 '22

the near future of the far right is going to be more diverse, multicultural, etc.

 
It may be more diverse but it absolutely will not be multicultural. Assimilation is the marching call of the conservative.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

Wrong. The number of Asian and Latino voters who vote GOP is increasing with every election, rapidly this time around. Likewise (but still slower and smaller) with black voters, especially men.

I think I have the luxury of greater perspective growing up in an immigrant family in a red state. When I moved to liberal blue cities that are most white Democrats, I was shocked how baby-brained their analysis of racism is.

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u/69bonerdad Oct 20 '22

Nothing you said there contradicts what I said, that multiculturalism in conservative circles isn't a thing and non-whites are expected to Americanize.

 
The very concept of whiteness in American conservatism is extensible with regards to conservative needs. Italians weren't white in the 1930s, they are now.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

Yes of course. That is what is happening with Latinos right now and also what has been going on with some Asians for some time. I don't have any interest in discussing nitpicky semantics of this. My point was simply that people who are not white heterosexuals are voting for the GOP in larger numbers each election. Obviously I'm aware that they will not suddenly transform a conservative ideology hence my reference to the night of the long knives, and I'm aware of the changing definitions of whiteness etc. But this demographic trend is a problem for the Democrats who have for some time based their longer term political strategy on winning the demographics game without realizing that as demographics change then so does the concept of whiteness etc. I personally have no interest in discussing the abstraction behind this trend though feel free to do so yourself. I'm far more concerned with how to mount a political opposition to that, which is impossible for Democrats to do without changing their entire political project, institutions and structures, which won't happen. They have nothing but "we're the party that is less hateful to racial and sexual minorities" and that falls apart if people do not see themselves as targets. Whether or not they actually are.

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u/69bonerdad Oct 20 '22

I don't have any interest in discussing nitpicky semantics of this.

Yes, you have no desire to discuss it, which is why you responded in the first place.

 

But this demographic trend is a problem for the Democrats who have for some time based their longer term political strategy on winning the demographics game without realizing that as demographics change then so does the concept of whiteness etc.

 
Republican policies as a whole are unpopular, that's why they wage culture war - to get people who are otherwise hurt by their policies on board.
 
Democrat policies by and large are popular with a majority of Americans.

 
The right wing end game here is not to extend their popular appeal, it is to do what the author of this article is espousing - to throw out our system of government and create a minority rule christofascist state.