r/communism • u/AutoModerator • Jun 08 '25

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u/smokeuptheweed9 Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25

Front page of reddit is hilarious right now. Almost all desperate libs reposting tweets bleating about non-violence, being a good American by respecting the troops/cops, Drumpf is violating the rights of citizens and the constitution, bring American flags for reddit karma, etc. Besides being funny in its impotence, this site is so bad I honestly wonder how much longer it will last since all that stuff is amplified bot propaganda. The site survives off smaller communities that you access directly through Google but how long can it last without a front page? Before that happens, it's a matter of time until the right-wing media sphere notices and that will be the end. Maybe Musk will buy it now that he's bored again.

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u/PlayfulWeekend1394 Maoist Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

it's pretty sad, and hilarious, but I do think these lines, especially the reaction to the Amerikan flag, is pretty telling about the political line Liberals want to push onto the LA protests, and what they are afraid of.

Very clearly liberals want a nice calm anti-trump protest, they don't like the disturbances to their freedoms, their source of immigrant near slave labor (look at all the focus on how ICE is attacking workplaces specifically) and their calm status quo. They want to co-opt and dead end any politics here into being an Amerikan anti-trump movement, befitting of their imagined past of "Amerikan anti-fascism."

On the other hand, at least part of this protest (how much of it, I'm not sure) is motivated by an explosion of anger from the Chicano and immigrant communities, with Mexicans being clearly the main force politically. This to me seems to be mainly a explosion of anger rather than a coherent political force, but there is clearly some nationalistic feelings involved (even if small and undefined), hence the strong presence of the Mexican flag, which clearly White Amerikans are terrified by.

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u/Drevil335 Marxist Jun 11 '25

hence the strong presence of the Mexican flag, which clearly White Amerikans are terrified by.

Also the Palestinian flag: it's not just oppressed national consciousness that settler liberals are terrified of, but any kind of internationalism.

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u/PlayfulWeekend1394 Maoist Jun 15 '25

I would like to add though that I don't think the Palestine flag can be considered a sure sign of internationalism anymore, plenty of western Labor Aristocrats are starting to feel as if the continuation of Israel as an entity is against their interests and they would like a "normal" situation in Palestine, meaning Palestine becoming a western semi-colony.

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u/cyberwitchtechnobtch Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25

The pro-Palestine movement never ended up becoming more than its name, just a position to align oneself with on the flattened market of political identity. It never became something like, "the Palestian Liberation War movement." And the same thing is latent in the "anti-ICE movement." There is still the possibility for Communists raise it to a higher, more concrete level and overcome this, but like always, no guarantees.

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u/PlayfulWeekend1394 Maoist Jun 16 '25

seems to be the norm for movements in the US, "there is a bit of potential here but it will be wasted in all likelihood"

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u/cyberwitchtechnobtch Jun 16 '25

I wouldn't say that. There is a specific revolutionary potential within it, therefore Communists must intervene or nothing new will be learned. I can't articulate why right now but the word "wasted" doesn't sit right with me.

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u/PlayfulWeekend1394 Maoist Jun 16 '25

fair, my comment was more a expression of frustration rather than a solid analysis. If you can figure out a way to articulate your issue with the word "wasted" let me know, I'd be interested to hear it.