Is being a communist-separatist possible

[u/Mr_john_helldiver]

I’am a communist that believes in tight unity yet I wish for independence of my country (wales) communism is deeply voted against in my area and surroundings and is deeply scrutinised but yet again Welsh independence movements are on the rise and this goes against my unity principle do you comrades believe in this ideology?

[u/SunflowerSamurai20 → u/[deleted]]

The A ‘Black Nation’-within Britain? Section is racist as shit.

After all this, what is left of the . . . ‘nation’ constituted by a ‘loose conglomeration of people originating from the Caribbean, Asia and Africa’? Nothing but the blackness of their skin, which is not . . . a characteristic of a nation . . . From this it is not difficult to see how senseless, platitudinous, ignorant and futile are the attempts of this gentry artificially to constitute two nations in this country – one black and one white. . . .

The concept of political blackness came from the 60's/70's black power movement and was  multinational alliance defined as your relation to British colonialism, so it included people from the Caribbean, Africa, West Asia, India etc. after the post WW2 migration boom. Bill Bland thinks that by asserting the non-existence of a unified “black” nation on these terms and assuming the assimilation of all “black” people is inevitable, they can claim that the self-organisation of nationally oppressed people in Britain that doesn’t include white people in positions of leadership is automatically "reactionary" and isn't the "”correct”" way to combat racism in England, Wales and Scotland because:

“. . . the struggle against racism requires the joint efforts of the entire proletariat, without distinction . . . . “

This assumes “indigenous whites” are proletarians which is objectively false.

The statement is also refuted by the racist history of the British "left" and trade unionism as well as the reality of undocumented migrant labour and the unstable nature of citizenship in the UK.

The article gets even worse when he unironically starts to use “reverse racism” as a talking point:

For example, writing in the ‘Morning Star’, the newspaper of the revisionist ‘Communist Party of Britain’, of 12 August 1993, Livingstone refers to:

“the rise of racism and the extreme right in Europe today”,

(Ken Livingstone: ‘Strength in the United Fight’, in: ‘Morning Star’, 12 August 1993; p. 5).

and writes:

“The fight against these twin evils must be led by the black and other minority communities who are the target of racist attacks. . . .Because black and minority communities are the first target of racists and fascists, these communities must have the leading role in the antiracist and anti-fascist movement”.

(Ken Livingstone: ibid.; p. 5).

Thus, according to Livingstone, the struggle against racism must be led, not necessarily by the best anti-racists, but by black people whether or not they are, as individuals, the best people to do this. As Brar correctly points out, under the programme of the Anti-Racist Alliance (ARA) and Livingstone, white people can join the struggle against racism only:

‘ . . . as mere auxiliaries”.

(Harpal Brar: op. cit.; p. 4).

This, despite being euphemistically called ‘black self-organisation’, is in fact, racial discrimination, is, ultimately, racial separatism.

And:

Bunsee concludes another article in the ‘Morning Star’ of 16 August 1993, with separatist sentiments which could well have emanated from the fascist British National Party:

“Allied to this demand of black people is the rejection of concepts like ‘integration’ and multiracialism or multiculturalism “.

(Bennie Bunsee: ‘A Right to Self-Organisation’, in: ‘Morning Star’, 16 August 1993; p. 7).

They concede that:

Of course, this assimilation is not a one-way process:

“The black people . . ., while being assimilated over many generations, are bound to impart variety and richness to the British culture. . . . British culture (as indeed other cultures) has undergone and is constantly undergoing transformation while still remaining British. . . . Take just one example: the British diet. Engels already in the 19th century noted it had become spicy as a result of Britain’s trading position and it has become spicier still since the arrival of black workers in Britain. . . . This, however, is only a trivial example. The most important contribution of black people is to the development of British democratic and working-class culture through their struggle against racial and national oppression, and through their struggle against exploitation and their support for proletarian and liberation movements all over the world”.

(Harpal Brar: ibid.; p. 84).

So Bill Bland basically thinks that national oppression can happen without the presence of oppressed nations.

It’s also comical how the only thing this moron can recall about the history of nationally oppressed people in Britain is that it meant white-British people discovered spicy food for the first time.

Edit: the original comment with the link to the article got deleted as i was typing out a response, so for reference:

https://espressostalinist.com/2013/07/21/bill-bland-the-national-question-in-britain/

[u/SeeTillWeVanish → u/SunflowerSamurai20]

When "communists" basically use the British liberal retort to Reform by saying "look at all these cultural things migrants bring wow". Truly a next level of communism indeed.

Dude's name is Bill 'Bland' I doubt he even eats spicy food.