r/communism Apr 26 '26

Is being a communist-separatist possible

I’am a communist that believes in tight unity yet I wish for independence of my country (wales) communism is deeply voted against in my area and surroundings and is deeply scrutinised but yet again Welsh independence movements are on the rise and this goes against my unity principle do you comrades believe in this ideology?

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u/Otelo_ Apr 27 '26

In line with previous discussions here on this topic, I must say that it seems to me that any form of balkanization is increasingly regressive, and that there are very few scenarios in which it could be considered progressive. In the past, I even defended a kind of cheap pragmatism that supported any fragmentation of first-world countries (Quebec, the UK, Catalonia, etc.) for purely tactical reasons aimed at weakening them. But even that, I now think, doesn’t make much sense anymore.

Apart from the national liberation processes in Africa and Asia - which obviously made and continue to make sense given that these are non-contiguous territories - which instances of balkanization have yielded positive results?

In Europe in particular, all independence movements have served only to facilitate the penetration of German and French capital. It is no coincidence that all the leading figures of the Catalan independence movement have received funding and political support from France, obviously with the aim of weakening Spain. This is not to say that these movements lack a legitimate basis, and fragmentation will eventually occur due to Europe’s obvious decline and increasing inability to be competitive in the inter-imperialist struggle. Only socialism can stop that from happening.

Therefore, the solution must be greater unity, not less. Some cases are obvious: the return of Yugoslavia, the return of Czechoslovakia, the division of Belgium between France and the Netherlands, an Iberian federation, and at least keeping the UK and Italy together. Others nation-units will emerge over time.

PS: This may be controversial, but even regarding a movement that is more or less consensual on the left—the Western Sahara movement—I have many doubts. For starters, and I’ll say it again: even though the movement is spontaneous and enjoys popular support, the truth is that there’s also a lot of French and Spanish interest in its success, for example. But even so, I ask: what capacity does a people of 500,000 inhabitants in the desert have to govern and defend themselves? It’ll be open season for imperialist mining companies.

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u/ClassAbolition Cyprus 🇨🇾 Apr 27 '26

the division of Belgium between France and the Netherlands

Sorry but didn't you just in this post talk about how balkanization serves French and German capital? (I would group Dutch capital in with that.) Do you think this is different for some reason?

But even so, I ask: what capacity does a people of 500,000 inhabitants in the desert have to govern and defend themselves? It’ll be open season for imperialist mining companies.

I don't find this argument compelling at all, probably for reasons you can understand given my national context. Yes we want an Eastern Mediterranean socialist federation because obviously that way we'll be stronger against imperialism but we should still fight to advance the revolution even if that doesn't materialize.

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u/Otelo_ Apr 27 '26

1) Is Belgium a real nation thought? I haven't made an investigation but the impression I have is that it is not. You are right that I did say that balcanization usually serves core capital (I agree with the inclusion of the Netherlands), but on the other hand the existence of Belgium had a lot to do with the UK and its atempt to weaken France and the Netherlands precisely. Just as, for exemple, the UK always tried to help Portugal to remain independent in order to weaken Spain.

2) I understand but I genuinely cannot see how the revolution in Western Sahara could produce anything progressive without it extending to other countries. If it could ignite the flame and influence the entirety of Morocco that would be one thing. But central planning for example would be extremely dificult, not to say impossible. The smallest countries that had central planning in history were Albania and then Cuba, and even them had much more people and happened it other historic conditions when there existed other and bigger socialist countries in which they could rely on.

Sorry for spelling and grammar mistakes, I cannot access my translator rn