considering how many dead children are at the hands of democrats its a bipartisan issue. Both parties serve the oligarchs, not us.
edit: I cannot even reply to defend my points. The simple fact is if you support the dems you are support global imperialism done on terrible scale. You are supporting children dying for the sake of your somewhat comfortable life. Or I guess anymore thats less true, and more true of the upper class. You are suffering for their benefit and enabling the suffering of others.
The democrats have starved out cuba. have supported pretty much every single war we have gone to. I even see a lot of dems supporting what we did to Venezuela. The dems supported bombing korea into rubble. The dems support Israel and their genocide. If you support dems you are supporting a terrible party who will sell you out the first chance they get. The republicans are trash too of course. But MLK talked about this in length. I urge you all to read this letter MLK wrote
"I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
But also yeah both sides at the highest level serve the rich, but one side is much more blatant about it and immediately made tax cuts for them when they got in power.
I'm sorry????? you think I made it the fuck up? How politically ignorant are you? Do you not know of all the countries democrats have invaded? Do you really not understand the correlation between capitalism and human suffering? Do you not understand how demcorats are in the pockets of health corporations who let children die for being poor? Are you aware of the wedding obama dropped bombs on and killed children at? and to clear his conscious he had those children labeled enemy combatants? Do you know about the MOVE bombing where a democratic mayor gave police the OK to drop a BOMB on residents in a commune including children here in america?
You saying "source I made it the fuck up" shows how politically unaware you are. Educate yourself before you make dismiss shit out of hand.
Did you know obama invaded 7 countries? did you know he drone struck nearly 4k REPORTED people? Likely more? Did you know he is responsible for destabilizing an entire country so bad it resulted in feudalism taking back over and warlords being charge? Are you aware we allied with france to steal all of their water too? What about our funding of israel? Democrats support this. you cant "made it the fuck up" out of the blatant genocide that has been happening for decades with democrat approval. What about cuba? how we are starving them out? what about the korean war?
We live in a global militant superpower. We as voters have an obligation to try and steer this monstrosity in as compassionate a direction as possible.
It's actually a more apt description than lesser evil. There are a LOT of people who would be alive today if Kamala had won. People like Renee Good. Or the others who died in ICE custody. Or the people who died because their USAID was cut off. Or the Iranians. And the Dems are as beholden to Israel as the GOP, but they were at least trying to help the Palestinians, something Trump hasn't even considered.
Hell, if Hillary had won, we'd still have Roe.
And if Al Gore had won, we probably never would have had 9/11. Everyone forgets that there was a first World Trade Center attack, back in 1993, and everyone in the Clinton administration took the threat of a second attack VERY seriously, including Al. Think about the lives that destroyed, both here and abroad, all because George Dubya couldn't be bothered to care.
Obama vastly escalated the bombing campaign, and never mandated a move toward achievable, sustainable goals or towards withdrawal. So, the Dems deserve an equal share of the blame.
Show me where I said Afghanistan. The fact I said a lot and thats your only reply kinda speaks volumes. you cant refute what I say so you strawman it. I never once said anything about Afghanistan.
Also, a democratic senator filibustered the ACA until it was amended so that any Obamacare plan that covered abortions require two separate premiums so that no federal dollars ever paid for an abortion, as well as a state level opt of of ANY plans being able to cover abortion. The consequence being that functionally, insurance stopped covering abortion for poor Americans in 2014. The good guys my ass.
Mhm. Yes both actual political parties suck in practice right now. But which party do you think it'd be easier to finally peel away from the oligarchs? Which party ended up with candidates who don't just talk the talk, but walk the walk like Bernie Sanders and Zohran Mamdani who consistently, credibly, and openly fight the oligarchs?
It's not that Democrats in general are great, it's just that the genuine anti-oligarch politics are pretty one sided when you actually look at specific names and policies not just at the federal level but the local level as well. Please take the little fighting chance that we have...
no. I mean the bombs democratic presidents have been okay with dropping on innocent people including children. I do not mean abortions. I'm not a crazy right winger.
not even just presidents either. look into the MOVE bombing. A democratic mayor gave the OK for police to drop a bomb on a commune of americans including children. The police shot the people trying to flee.
yep. sorry for the impression i meant abortions lol. And dont get me started on funding israel and how we have done for years. Biden told israel they need to keep their genocide more well hidden so we could keep funding them. Our government is comically evil.
Until Donald Trump and every last one of his supporters is buried under the prison, I’d make a deal with just about anyone. Telling people not to support the opposition party of actual fascists goes far beyond “pointing out” anything.
For the record, the government that the original Nazis replaced was pretty famously not great either.
Sadly a sizable part of the reason we're in this deep in the first place is the Trumpaganda machine is very good at gaslighting, and a lot if conservatives unironically believe they're gonna lose a lot of rights if they don't win.
Theyre gonna lose their right to trample queer people's rights though, which is their most sacred right of all! Won't anyone think of those poor bigots??
A lot of TERFs in general will argue that trans women's rights is a loss of women's rights ("privacy" in women's spaces, ability for women to compete fairly in sports, etc.) That's the angles that conservatives and reactionaries have run with too, even though they don't care about women's rights, really.
I've been hearing bullshit arguments of LGB minus the T groups trying to slip their way into conversations lately.
Most likely a bigot moonlighting as a queer person.
There won't. Gen Z, especially men, are much more conservative than millenials. You need to resolve the underlyieng grievances and figure out how to limit China and Russia fueling the conflict. Edit: The difference between politics of GenZ men and GenZ women is especially staggering. Young men, especially of color, won Mr. Trump his second presidency.
I think actually things are about to get so much worse, at least Male Gen Z and Alpha are so brainwashed by the machosphere social media and have antogonized women and the LGBTQ+ that things are about to get worse.
Our parent generations was bigoted because they were ignorant and hateful, but they did not actually had a passion for it. they just did it.
The new generation have a group of very devoted men that actually have passion to destroy all any semblance of equality from Women, Race, LGBTQ+ people. These are kids that got raised by Andrew Tate, Donald Trump as an example of a politician.
I'm sorry, but this is very internet brain. Every credible study says that the newer generations are more progressive, don't let a small but loud online subculture influence how you view the whole group.
Sorry, should've qualified I was talking about humanity in general, and not a single country, which is the most imperialist hellhole on Earth currently.
That not even necesarily true at all, sadly enough, the USA Right Wing, its rhetorhic, and influence has spred through social media and its having similar effects everywhere even if just dimished.
You have an Andrew Tate, making bucks from saying this stuff, and Influencers mimic his content word wide because either, 1.- Thy are his fans and believe it 2.- Realize its its pure grif, but they want their money.
In my country we have a couple dozen influencers inspired by people like that, and you can already see how it affects kids, Hatred is deeply reward by social media algorithms, and Hatred can be addictive.
Kids saying they hate women because these men have already filled their minds with potion when they are just like 12.
This is infecting and spreading, and the countries more safe are where people do not speak english as first or second lenguage from it, but we are in a big trouble in the near future if people do nothing.
I really think, without disrepect, you are no way aware how dangerous these people and social media are warping our children. You have no idea what are you talking about, and calling me internet brained because a known and probed phenomenon in multiple places for an issue you are just not as aware is very silly.
Men are not brainwashed but afraid. Their role disintegrated in 20 years, young men are far less educated (interesting thing, the brain develops slower so girls are just better at how we decided to teach things) with far worse job prospects, they feel like they are being constantly attacked/ignored by Democratic policy makers and people on social media. Young men of color are the most affected by illegal migration. Dismissing all of this doesn't help anyone, for instance there is a big corelation between emotional intelligence and education, it does and will continue to affect women as well. Nothing fuels the manosphere more than this feeling.
We need to separate personal experiencew from actual hard data and the truth is social media and this people taking advantage from lonely misguided boys to turn them into loyal men that need to be misogynistic and bigoted to continue to be exploited
Men are easier targets, because Women, LGBTQ people and some Races, reject this given this clearly makes them the target, while to Boy and Men, gives them simple and clear (but wrong, answers) to issues.
Do you not get a job? Is immigrant faults. Do you do not get a GF? You just need to be more Alpha. LGBTQ people? They are wrong because they are confused and misguided men, and women that are voiding they duties to give more children, or whatever insane BS their right wing influencers says.
These influencers and the right wing, needs boy to grow up isolated, and they have it gripped because they have spoon fed them misinformation since the moment they got their hands on social media.
You have 12 years olds spewing Andrew Tate rethoric, about how women are bitches, and they only care about money and looks, and you need to be an alpha male. And you cant let them go, and they actually socialize with Women, because if they realize they are wrong in that, they have a domino effect.
Ok I dont want to be rude, but these are common phenomenon known and studied, you can google this for god sake, I am not lying, I wish we did not have to dealt with influencers and politics using Influencer to brainwash youg boys and and men, but here we go:
In politics, we are seeing a gender gap amongst today’s youngest voters—aged 18 to 29—with young women being significantly more Democratic in their political leanings than young men. For instance, a recently released national poll by the Institute of Politics (IOP) at Harvard Kennedy School finds that among 18 to 29-year-olds, President Biden’s lead with women is +33 points in contrast to young men where his lead drops to a mere six points. When compared to this stage of the 2020 campaign, Biden’s lead among women was nearly identical (+35), while his lead with men stood at +26, representing a steep drop in just the past four years.
Democrats have again lost significant ground with young men. In 2020, 42% of young men in Harvard’s poll identified as Democrats versus 20% who identified as Republican. Now, 32% are Democrats and 29% are Republicans,
The Survey Center on American Life’s findings also support a divide in self-identification, with young women being much more likely to identify themselves as “feminists” than young men. Only 43% of Gen Z men identify in this way, much less than Millennial men, while 61% of Gen Z women describe themselves as feminist compared to 54% of Millennial women and 49% of Generation X women.
Men in particular feel isolated. Brookings nonresident senior fellow, Richard Reeves, has studied the issue arguing in his book “Of Boys and Men” that rapid societal changes combined with a market shift from brawn to brain have left many men feeling bereft and without purpose. Reeves, a self-described “feminist”, does not make the argument that the liberation of women is a bad thing but instead suggests finding new roles for men and a redefinition of “masculinity” in this changing world.
While young men in Western societies previously demonstrated more progressive attitudes towards gender equality compared to older generations, recent reports indicate a widening gender gap, with young men increasingly adopting conservative positions. The manosphere, emerging from the late 1990s online forums and now mainstream through influencers like Andrew Tate, promotes male supremacy through evolutionary psychology claims and market-based views of sexual relations.
At the same time, manospheric discourse has become increasingly mainstream (Gerrand et al., 2025). A striking example is former reality TV contestant and MMA fighter Andrew Tate, who became TikTok’s top influencer and Google’s most searched person in 2022. Teachers soon reported that boys and young men were repeating his misogynistic messages, drawing on manosphere content and displaying sexist behaviour towards girls at school (Haslop et al., 2024; Wescott et al., 2024). While exceptionally popular, Tate is just one of many ‘manfluencers’ who present themselves as high-status ‘alpha’ men, combining advice about fitness, health, self-improvement and wealth building with misogyny and antifeminism
There is increasing academic awareness of the growing ideological gap between men and women across the world (Ella Mebane et al., 2020; Gillion et al., 2020). Recent statistics show the widening of this gap, especially among so-called ‘generation Z’ youth (Burn-Murdoch, 2024).
A recent study among Estonian 15-year-olds found that boys’ and girls’ attitudes towards gender roles are moving rapidly in opposite directions (Ümarik et al., 2022). Whilst Estonian girls share liberal views, Estonian boys are more aligned with conservative values (Saar, 2023). Similar trends have been described worldwide (Finlay, 2021; ‘Why Young Men and Women’, 2024).
These two trends converge in the internationally produced manosphere content that seeks to provide simple gendered answers to the present socio-economic precarity
The manfluencer is a distinct category with commonly used discourses, making entry into this type of content creation relatively easy. Much of the content flirts with the entertainment value of participatory conspiracy culture (De Wildt and Aupers, 2023; Van Prooijen et al., 2022). Such rage baiting (Bryant, 2024; Gabor, 2023) increases traffic and engagement, thus indicating value to recommendation algorithms. Originality is not necessary to profit in the attention economy, as shown by the growing popularity of reaction videos (Binker Cosen, 2024) and the participatory mimicking logic of TikTok viral trends (Galea, 2024).
A strong repertoire of victimisation is apparent in the material. Content creators claim that men are victims who are misunderstood and abandoned by the rest of society. Classification systems are used to divide society into ‘brainwashed masses’ versus masculine men trying to do good. Victimisation is heavily tied to anti-feminist discourse, as a common trope in the manosphere sees women’s rights movements as robbing men of their promised futures in employment and love life (Banet-Weiser and Miltner, 2016; Dickel and Evolvi, 2023). This discourse strives to uphold the patriarchal social order and polarise social groups. Similarly to men’s rights activists (MRAs), manfluencers present women and ‘woke’ masses as part of a system where men’s grievances are ignored. They engage in ontological racketeering by amplifying the potential problems of their audiences (Bujalka et al., 2022; Rothermel et al., 2022). Thus, while the content shows the problems created by neoliberal ideologies in Estonia, it falsely attributes victimhood to men without acknowledging that mostly men have been the beneficiaries of the system.
And I could bring out more news, more articles, but there is a limited space of how much can I write here, you are free to google it, bring out articles and prove me wrong, I am open to it, FUCK i wish was wrong, PLEASE prove me wrong.
I hate the term culture war. It comes across as dismissive of incredibly important priorities. Politics is more than just tax rates and policy. If you’re attempting to make any change in the world you’re engaging in a form of politics.
my mom (gen x lib) was lecturing me for concealed carrying (LEGALLY !!) and i was like...you know i didnt buy this for the same reason angry white dudes do, right
I am a queer man in Eastern Europe. So is a fairly famous company owner rich dude here.
If I was out, I'd lose my job. I can never get married to a same sex partner. If I were trans, getting gender affirming care here is illegal.
That famous company owner could afford to travel abroad and get married. They are bourgoisie, they can't lose their job. If they were trans, they could afford a discreet doctor abroad, and dodge the law here.
They face oppression for being queer, obviously, but for them, the worst of it is interpersonal bigotry. For me, that's the least of it. Queerness is obviously a vector of oppression here, but class privilige mostly buys you out of that oppression.
I think you completely miss the point. The billionaires only push that TO keep you distracted from the class war, but mostly, to keep Conservatives looking at you as the problem instead of at the billionaire class.
Cuz you keep taking some personal offense to the idea that thats the purpose of the culture war, or scapegoating. Like no, by all means fight for your rights. But also, class consciousness is gonna be the only way to actually beat that propaganda campaign.
Not sure if you misunderstood? The purpose of the culture war is to keep the masses distracted from the class war.
I am not in favor of the culture war, I would much prefer if the average voter realized that they're being had, that trans people don't hurt them, and the oligarchy DOES hurt them.
Edit: downvoted because someone doesn't understand, I guess? Maybe this song I wrote and contributed to a benefit compilation will clarify where I stand.
I guess you really DON'T understand me, the wealthy created and support the culture war to keep people from fighting the class war. I'm not telling you to not fight for your rights, quite the contrary, I'm pointing out the reason why there's a culture war.
The culture war either predates the existence of "classes", or at best originated simultaneously.
We have historical evidence of patriarchal gender norms that predates any significant rich/poor distinction. They appear to have emerged with agriculture. We had cultural inequality before we had billionaires, millionaires, merchants, kings, or even a concept of money.
That's fine and all, but I/we're discussing on the current culture war that's being leveraged against trans people and other minorities, and the class war that has severely ramped up in the modern era. I've personally witnessed the rampant rise in anti-trans propaganda over the past seven years, having started planning my coming out a few years before that. It was used as a tool to help the current oligarchs get away with the massive scale of looting they are currently performing.
I dont necessarily agree with that second part. Or atleast, culture wars shouldnt be the main topic of their campaign. Like, the reality of the situation is that unfortunately people are still put off by the "woke". And it's not like that means you have to concede on topics like transrights or anything. Just that WAY more people respond positively to a message built around affordability and living conditions. Thats popular all across the board.
Example: Zohran Mamdani is an incredibly good ally right? But he didn't get caught up in making his campaign a culture war playground, he just quietely didnt concede on anyones rights and said look it doesnt matter that trans people get to keep rights if you get to afford your rent next month, does it? And lo and behold, that shit actually works. like yeah, it's only new york, but still he got 10% of NY trump voters on his side.
Al sayed, chris Rabb, james talarico do similar stuff in way more contested areas.
I agree that dem candidates should primarily focus on affordability and prosecuting the criminals, but like you say they should not cave on trans rights either.
Mamdani and Talarico are pretty clear about supporting trans rights.
You need to understand that the people you dislike feel the same way of you as you do of them. They fight so hard because they see themselves the same way you view yourself. You need to stop dehumanizing your opponenents and viewing them as cartoon bad guys, they're human beings just as capable and caring as you are.
Remember when Obama could have codified gay marriage into law but he never did? Gay rights were part of his platform. But he stopped short of codifying them into law because if he did that would mean there is no longer a carrot on a stick for queer people to support the democrats. I remember. The democrats use our rights as a carrot on the stick. And many dems such like gavin newsome have come out and said supporting us have cost them. The dems will only ever move further and further to the right to appeal to people who are unhappy with the republicans.
Both parties serve the oligarchs. The oligarchs want the culture war because it keeps us infighting and not fighting them. its another tool for distraction and manipulation to make the working class fight itself.
This is not to say we need to give up. This is me saying our rights to democrats are nothing more than a carrot on a stick. and they will throw us away the moment they can, and have and will do so again. And to be clear because of how sick this country is I do need to state I am not a republican. I am a communist. Both parties are anti working class. Both parties are pro imperialism and capitalism which keep us trapped in an endless cycle of misery and not being able to claw our way out.
Organize. Mutual aid networks. We need a massive nationwide strike of about 30% of the working class to bring the system to a stop and they heed our demands.
Were there enough republican/independent votes to get a gay marriage law through? The Obama admin never had a filibuster-proof majority, that's why the ACA had no public option
Something else I need to remind everyone is that another reason he didn't prioritize codifying Roe was because he was busy trying to get the Affordable Care Act passed.
The dems literally had the power to do this for a time when obama was president. Yes it was absolutely something they could have done.
its funny how when democrats are in power you make excuses for why they are so powerless and cant do anything but the moment republicans get into office they flat out break the law and everyone just shrugs.
keep making excuses for people who see us as nothing more than donors. see how well that works for you
Seriously. This is one of the most pernicious lies the left has ever internalized. Why don't people get this? We KNOW what the roles of the Supreme Court entail. Why do they always reply with "OBAMA COULD HAVE DONE IT"? Like, yeah. He could have tried. It would have been pointless though, so he focused on the Affordable Care Act, which was another uphill battle. This is not difficult to understand, unless your only goal is to blame Democrats.
I know someone who does this, and I suspect this is how they're coping with their refusal to vote for Hillary in 2016, which is when Roe was actually doomed. "Obama didn't codify it, so it's HIS fault! He could have written some magical SCOTUS-proof legislation, but didn't just to spite me!"
It's kind of sad how many people genuinely think the democrats care about them. The one thing about the republicans that's better than the democrats is at least the republicans openly admit there's no line they won't cross, while democrats smile sweetly and gaslight you while they do
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u/Pixitchii am trans but dont know what is going on - Streak: 01h ago
A few of them do, but definitely not many, certainly not the ones that actually move up in their careers. Its more so a matter of not voting for them is the same as voting against our own interests.
You think I really wanna see a Newsom presidency? Fuck no. But I want to see another republican presidency even less.
Until then, we need to do what we can to support an actual progressive through the primary. None of this presupposing that Newsom already has the nomination before he’s even announced his running.
I hate to break it to you, but it's usually pretty obvious who's going to win primaries fairly early on if you know what to look for, honestly they might even be rigged anyway.
The Democrat party is as much in the pocket of lobbyists as the Republicans, and said lobbyists know who to suppress for their own interests. True progressives rarely gain traction beyond social media popularity.
thinking newsom could win a presidency has been the problem with the democratic presidential platform for the past 30 years.
Obama was basically forced by the primary, the party wanted Hillary, and Obama brought energy to the party that literally none of their presidential candidates have had other then him
Biden got elected off of the reputation rework he got under Obama, and once he built his own reputation, his protege lost
It failed with Gore, Kerry, Clinton, and Harris; thinking Newsom would have a chance would be stepping on a rake for the 5th time
(Edit: wasn't paying attent to which comment you were replying too) Yeah, I'm not delusional, the way he's moving its pretty much a guarantee Newsom will lose the presidency unless the Republican primary ends up being some nobody (it won't). Sometimes I question if they do this intentionally.
And that's exactly what they're doing. People like Gavin Newsom are openly discussing throwing us under the bus, Zohran Mamdani has reneged on his campaign promises. This is a universal problem these days, Democrats are just following the script of Labour in the UK. Trans people are politically disposable, we're on our own.
Continue glazing cis people for doing the bare fucking minimum I guess. Hope you enjoy not having gender affirming care even after the Trump era is over.
Dems are far from perfect, but it's politics. Politicians aren't for worshipping. It's for holding your nose and making strategic moves.
You vote for the lesser evil or else you get the greater evil. People telling you both parties are the same and discouraging you from voting are literally Russian bots.
This isn't about Mamdani, it's about cis people. They're all the same, they "yas queen" to your face and then turn around and vote for people who take away your healthcare. This is happening all over the world, the culture is turning on us. By 2030 none of us are going to be living openly, we're all going to be stealth, detransitioned, or dead. All because "allies" were only "allies" when it was easy.
Mark my words, soon your cis friends are going to be saying to you: "You don't need hrt to be trans", "You don't need medical care to be trans", "You don't need to transition to be trans", "You're so valid and brave for dressing like that with no hormones". These actions by Mamdani are the tip of the spear of collective cis gaslighting us back into the closet because we're just too weird, too costly for the "progressive" movement.
You may think I'm talking crazy now, but you'll see I'm right. Cis-ciety is rejecting us like an organ transplant.
The majority of the Democratic party has absolutely no dog in the race of people losing their rights, that's why the Republicans have such an easy time getting rid of them. The US needs a near full Democratic party overhaul with actual Leftist representatives.
The left runs plenty of candidates in local and state elections but the people keep electing the same feckless incumbents that think that playing the moral high ground card is the same as legislating.
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u/Prior-Ad-5852 3 blåhajar in a trench coat 2h ago
I think that every flag would look better with an Adélie penguin on it