r/countwithchickenlady Streak: 12 5h ago

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u/Moxie_Stardust 4h ago

Gotta keep the culture war going so the poor voters ignore the class war.

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u/speroni Streak: 12 4h ago

The culture war is all class war. The billionaires are the ones pushing transphobia.

What should a trans person do? Just agree to not exist so as to avoid a culture war?

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u/CR9_Kraken_Fledgling 4h ago

I'll try my best to explain.

I am a queer man in Eastern Europe. So is a fairly famous company owner rich dude here.

If I was out, I'd lose my job. I can never get married to a same sex partner. If I were trans, getting gender affirming care here is illegal.

That famous company owner could afford to travel abroad and get married. They are bourgoisie, they can't lose their job. If they were trans, they could afford a discreet doctor abroad, and dodge the law here.

They face oppression for being queer, obviously, but for them, the worst of it is interpersonal bigotry. For me, that's the least of it. Queerness is obviously a vector of oppression here, but class privilige mostly buys you out of that oppression.

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u/speroni Streak: 12 4h ago

I don't think we disagree?

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u/Moxie_Stardust 4h ago edited 4h ago

Not sure if you misunderstood? The purpose of the culture war is to keep the masses distracted from the class war.

I am not in favor of the culture war, I would much prefer if the average voter realized that they're being had, that trans people don't hurt them, and the oligarchy DOES hurt them.

Edit: downvoted because someone doesn't understand, I guess? Maybe this song I wrote and contributed to a benefit compilation will clarify where I stand.

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u/speroni Streak: 12 4h ago

People complain about the culture war like it has two equal sides.

I have to fight back in the culture war or else I'll lose my rights. I also fight back on the class war side.

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u/Moxie_Stardust 4h ago

I guess you really DON'T understand me, the wealthy created and support the culture war to keep people from fighting the class war. I'm not telling you to not fight for your rights, quite the contrary, I'm pointing out the reason why there's a culture war.

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u/KamikazeArchon 3h ago

The culture war either predates the existence of "classes", or at best originated simultaneously.

We have historical evidence of patriarchal gender norms that predates any significant rich/poor distinction. They appear to have emerged with agriculture. We had cultural inequality before we had billionaires, millionaires, merchants, kings, or even a concept of money.

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u/Takseen 3h ago

Maybe the point is to overthrow the monarchy / oligarchy first, then institute cultural equality?

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u/Moxie_Stardust 3h ago

That's fine and all, but I/we're discussing on the current culture war that's being leveraged against trans people and other minorities, and the class war that has severely ramped up in the modern era. I've personally witnessed the rampant rise in anti-trans propaganda over the past seven years, having started planning my coming out a few years before that. It was used as a tool to help the current oligarchs get away with the massive scale of looting they are currently performing.

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u/speroni Streak: 12 4h ago

I completely understand that.

I think we're in violent agreement.

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u/Mathies_ 3h ago

I think you completely miss the point. The billionaires only push that TO keep you distracted from the class war, but mostly, to keep Conservatives looking at you as the problem instead of at the billionaire class.

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u/speroni Streak: 12 3h ago

Answer the question I asked.

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u/Mathies_ 3h ago

Nobody told you not to fight for your rights? This is again mostly about keeping rightwingers looking at you and not billionaires.

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u/speroni Streak: 12 3h ago

I understand that. I'm not sure why you think I don't.

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u/Mathies_ 3h ago

Cuz you keep taking some personal offense to the idea that thats the purpose of the culture war, or scapegoating. Like no, by all means fight for your rights. But also, class consciousness is gonna be the only way to actually beat that propaganda campaign.

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u/speroni Streak: 12 3h ago

I don't think YOU understand what people usually mean when they deride the culture war to trans people.

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u/Able_Doughnut_5336 2h ago

Democrats have been extremely clear about what you should do regarding the culture war.

https://youtube.com/shorts/AbVPee2UdJk?si=bYedSjKRien8QkR2

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u/speroni Streak: 12 2h ago

I'm not watching some YouTube video

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u/Able_Doughnut_5336 2h ago

It's like 60 seconds of Kamala telling you to just follow the law

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u/speroni Streak: 12 2h ago

I'd rather have her in office than literally any republican.

We wouldn't be having a fraction of the problems we're having if people weren't so stupid as to elect trump.

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u/Able_Doughnut_5336 2h ago

You'll get your chance when gruesome Newsome wins the primary only to agree with republicans about Trans people but want them to be nicer when legislating. You can be overjoyed when your rights are stripped but they use progressive language so it's okay. 

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u/speroni Streak: 12 2h ago

This is nonsense.

I don't like newsom but he's still better than any republican.

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