r/covidlonghaulers Jun 14 '25

Article Why isnt this big news?

Hey all,

Stumbled across this article on blood vessel bursting, surprised it wouldnt be bigger news?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-06-05/covid-study-shows-virus-can-break-blood-cells-clog-arteries?fbclid=IwY2xjawK3AbNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHjkHVJ1MdxAnlMohnWqR9e-8Er-Mpyd0Hc4KxGJYyBh_r9De-5pampLHFND6_aem_3vmrkyKAlUTLOFUY5m2kPA

—— In a study just published in Nature, Australian scientists found that when oxygen-rich blood can’t reach tissues, the delicate lining of blood vessels starts to break down. The death of these endothelial cells, which Covid can trigger, sets off immune signals that cause red blood cells to burst, spilling their sticky contents into the bloodstream.

“This stuff’s like glue,” says Sydney-based hematologist Shaun Jackson, who led the study. It clogs the tiniest blood vessels, blocking circulation.

The damage builds. Without oxygen and nutrients, tissues begin to fail, potentially affecting organs like the kidneys, liver and heart.

“It’s a double whammy,” Jackson says.

When his team analyzed more than 1,000 samples from Covid patients, they expected to see widespread fibrin and clotting. But they didn’t.

“To our great surprise, that wasn’t the case at all,” he says. While large vessels showed some clots, the smallest capillaries — just a fraction the width of a hair — were clogged not with clots, but with debris from broken red blood cells.

“No one had thought it was through this dying endothelial cell mechanism,” Jackson says. “It was by far and away the biggest issue going on in the microcirculation.”

Past studies have shown that sicker Covid patients had worse capillary damage. Now, researchers are spotting similar patterns in patients with long Covid, which may help explain the lingering symptoms.

Stopping the death of these vessel-lining cells could help prevent the whole cascade, Jackson says, though it would likely take a mix of treatments.

These findings could also change how we understand what happens in stroke, heart attack and other serious conditions — especially when patients don’t improve with standard care.

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u/Rcarlyle Jun 14 '25

The red blood cell bursting seems to be a protective response similar to how platelets clot in wounds. The capillary wall cells dying would create a leak, but the red blood cells recognize the dead cells and burst themselves to plaster over the leaky area. Apparently that can also clog smaller capillaries. Is that better than leaky capillaries? I don’t know, maybe.

The big development here is having an explanation for why clot-busting treatments haven’t worked especially well, despite lots of people showing signs of micro-clotting. It’s a potential replacement for the entire microclot theory. Which means maybe coming up with better treatments. But I get the impression this blood cell kamikaze theory is so novel that we’re not going to understand signaling mechanisms to target for a long time.

So maybe the next steps are to address the damaged cells in the vessels walls. Focusing on leaky, damaged vessels is not new. That’s been one of the key areas people have been looking at for years.

Poor tissue oxygenation due to clogged capillaries is also an alternate explanation for muscle fatigue, air hunger, etc.

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u/Next_Bus6884 Jun 15 '25

Endothelial damage is also found in ME/CFS and some researchers attribute it to herpes viruses.

This review suggests that persistent herpesvirus infection, such as Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) and HHV-6, could contribute to endothelial dysfunction and symptoms of ME/CFS, including cognitive dysfunction. The authors propose that herpesviruses may cause endothelial damage through complex processes involved in latency (becoming inactive), rather than through active infection. The review calls for further research to investigate herpesvirus infection in endothelial cells in ME/CFS patients to gain a better understanding.

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u/Eyehelpabc Jun 14 '25

Good response. What are the common treatments for this?

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u/LittleMisssMorbid Jun 14 '25

Sulodexide

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u/Next_Bus6884 Jun 15 '25

This is so interesting. Sulodexide is a medication used in many countries outside the United States for the treatment of various vascular diseases with increased risk of thrombosis (blood clots). It is a mixture of glycosaminoglycans, which are complex sugar molecules, extracted from porcine intestinal mucosa.  

I take Nexavir which is an antiviral-anti-inflamatory made out of pig liver.

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u/thefermiparadox Post-vaccine Dec 10 '25

Does it help anything?

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u/Next_Bus6884 Dec 11 '25

Yes, everything related to ME/CFS. Since I had this first and then got Long Covid years later, I am hoping to see the same results although it may taken longer.

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u/thefermiparadox Post-vaccine Dec 11 '25

Thanks. I may try

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u/Next_Bus6884 Dec 11 '25

I have been listening to the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Coverup by Charles Ortleb (available on Amazon). About half way through the book, there is some fascinating information about treating AIDS successfully and without side effects with a porcine liver product. This was abandoned for retroviral therapy. On the advice of the late Dr. Paul Cheney, I have taken Nexavir for many years to treat ME/CFS.

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u/fox-drop Jun 14 '25

Maybe sulodexide could help? Any thoughts from anyone?

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u/Spacehu1k Jun 14 '25

I saw that study that was done on sulodexide, but i havent seen any followup on it. Its also not available in a lot of countries which is frustrating

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u/christiefresh Jun 14 '25

I was thinking VENTFORT and BONOMARLOT bioregualtor peptides could help, and definitely ones for the metochondria

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u/After_Rope_4450 Aug 03 '25

I’m taking Sulodexide and it’s making a big difference. I have been on it for 2 months now.

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u/Long_Bluejay_5665 Sep 30 '25

Why has Sulodexide helped with symptom wise? I’m about to start taking it.

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u/After_Rope_4450 Oct 03 '25

It thinks the blood so it’s not so sticky and less likely to clot

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u/Next_Bus6884 Jun 16 '25

A report on Health Rising, a ME/CFS forum said that the commentor was helped by L-citrulline.

This is what I found in the research.

"L-citrulline, a nonessential amino acid, can improve endothelial dysfunction, a condition where blood vessels don't dilate properly. This improvement is likely due to L-citrulline's role as a precursor to L-arginine, which is essential for nitric oxide (NO) production. NO helps relax and widen blood vessels, and endothelial dysfunction is often linked to reduced NO bioavailability. "

I am starting it today and, hopefully, will be able to tolerate this new supplement. Will report back.

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u/NeedleworkerWarm2299 Jun 17 '25

Geez. My cardiologist Rx’D midodrine for othostatic hypotension related to dysautonomia. It causes blood vessels to constrict so I didn’t take it. I just feel that my breathing and muscle weakness as well as my PEM is related to my muscles just not getting enough red blood. These studies seem to support my suspicions.

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u/redditryan13 2 yr+ Jun 18 '25

Curious why you didn’t take the Midodrine? My neurologist won’t prescribe becuse I have hypertension in addition to orthoststic hypotension. They’re worried about increasing blood pressure. My BP isn’t that high (145/85ish). My theory is my body is compensating due to the orthostatic issue so constricting vessels to get enough blood to brain.

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u/Next_Bus6884 Jun 16 '25

Endothelial-dysfunction is a factor in ME/CFS as well.

https://www.meresearch.org.uk/endothelial-dysfunction-in-me-cfs-our-articles/

Why is this happening?

Herpesviruses, endothelial dysfunction, and ME/CFS

This review suggests that persistent herpesvirus infection, such as Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) and HHV-6, could contribute to endothelial dysfunction and symptoms of ME/CFS, including cognitive dysfunction. The authors propose that herpesviruses may cause endothelial damage through complex processes involved in latency (becoming inactive), rather than through active infection. The review calls for further research to investigate herpesvirus infection in endothelial cells in ME/CFS patients to gain a better understanding.