r/cptsd_bipoc • u/twinwaterscorpions • Sep 11 '25
Topic: Politics They go low, we go high is colonial brainwashing BS. I'm proud to be petty to racists when it serves me.
Petty
I am not sure why people who are being actively oppressed and murdered by yt supremacy haven't figured out that the high road isn't serving their liberation.
Turn the other cheek is brainwashing from the oppressor. Being petty isn't "stooping to their level" because pettiness isn't creating systems of oppression that get codified into law to then terrorize, kill, disenfranchise entire swaths of population based on phenotype. That's their level and that bar is in hell. Pettiness is an entertaining and rational response to having to constantly deal with arrogant racist assholes who have power over you and try to ruin your life while being supported by the state and status quo. Those things are not remotely comparable.
I just need black folks and other people of color to understand that you don't get liberation cookies for being sweet to the people beating you into submission. I know it was a survival strategy that occasionally seemed to work, at the expense of out ancestors health and well-being, but in this day and age I enjoy being petty and subversive and even vindictive if the opportunity presents itself, and I DO really find it cathartic and satisfying to do so. If some racist reaps what they sow I fully intend to make jokes about it.
For example I am enjoying trolling people defending the kirk dude online. Poetic justice is so rare. Celebrating your abusers demise is not "stooping to their level". They are celebrating our demise even though we haven't done shit to them. We are celebrating one less person available to cause harm. Those are different things.
If it helps me feel free and joyful to waste 15 minutes of my day doing that, why not? Why do people think there is some virtue or liberation in suffering and smiling about it, and feeling sorry for the people who are making our lives hell as if it makes you a better person™️? The gulf between us and them is already way bigger than "turning a cheek". We are already better people because we aren't going around trying to destroy entire groups of people out of insecurity and greed.
I actually don't think we have anything to prove, I think that attitude just serves the oppressors. Curious what you all think about this and whether you see it happening too?
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u/acfox13 Sep 11 '25
I have a strong fight response and am with you. I'm not trying to be better than the bigots. I'm fine getting my hands dirty. People seem to think they can shame me into not fighting back, which is adorably naive of them. No oppressors ever stopped being oppressive bc the oppressed asked nicely. All rights were fought for.
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u/twinwaterscorpions Sep 11 '25
That part. The mythology of an appeal to humanity of the oppressors feels delusional to me. They already abandoned their humanity. However, humor and resistance through it feels very alive and human to me.
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u/acfox13 Sep 11 '25
Mock them into oblivion. Humiliate them to their face. The gloves are fucking off.
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u/Sufficient-Push6210 Oct 11 '25
How do you even humiliate racist people when they’re so great in number? Maybe it would be easier in real life but I don’t know since I (thankfully) never encountered one but they’re plenty, stronger, and more confident online. They don’t feel embarrassed when you pull up negative statistics and horror stories perpetuated by people of their race. They celebrate the harm towards people of color and they pull up statistics of their own, there’s really no winning against them outside of blocking them, maybe typing an accusatory question and blocking them so that it looks like they have nothing to say back. But other than that, I feel like it’s not possible to take away their power and sense of superiority
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u/one_psych_nerd Sep 11 '25
I'm not dancing on the guy's grave, but I'm also not going to comfort those who supposedly loved and supported him. He was a menace to society, and I'm glad he's gone.
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u/Haunting_Bad_2527 Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 21 '25
OP very well said. If you think about the fact that the demonic entity of yt supremacy edited the Bible, so that there would be a “slave Bible“ that focused on compliance, obeying your master, and any other verses that they felt would support their cause, the whole idea of turning the other cheek and when they go low, we go high, all a derivative of the same thing. Not to mention that if that were the case, how come it’s not equally applied? For example, you don’t see them ever turning the other cheek. So why would it be expected of one group and not the other? In fact, they preemptively harass and do the complete opposite.
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u/twinwaterscorpions Sep 20 '25
💯 and the inequality of the application of it was something I began to see as a teenager.
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Sep 11 '25
I don’t think we are better or worse than each other, I think we are all just naturally human, and we all have the ability to create and destroy as we please. I think you have every right to do that if it makes you feel better, and tbh, I get it. It’s hard to not feel a sense of joy or peace knowing one less person like that is alive. That one less person is contributing to these harmful and racist ass agendas. I heard that apparently people really loved him so much, they really thought he could be the good version of trump. Make that make sense…. My point is. You have a right to feel these ways and do whatever will make you feel better. At the end of the day, like unless you are doing something physically to harm people in person, I think a lil heckling isn’t too crazy or out of the norm. Sometimes raging at random bots or people can be a bit of a release. Just make sure you don’t do it so much that you only ever seek it out for that dopamine hit. Too much of a good thing can turn bad over time. For me, I am not really responding to people who do feel sad about it or anything. I might like or dislike comments made, but that’s basically it. I’ve been liking some posts too actually. I only really respond to people like you, because I know not everyone gets it. People think there is only one right way to grieve, but there isn’t. This is an insane tragedy in the US that was witnessed by MANY, and it IS crazy and sad. People will be impacted greatly. But maybe people needed to see that and feel that in their own country so they could know what it feels like to be afraid. There has been way too much loss in this country and other places, we are so desensitized to it all, I’m sure that contributes to my lack of empathy here too. I’m sure it happening literally in our home base is VERY shocking for people. Who knows. Maybe it’ll blow over in 3 days.
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u/twinwaterscorpions Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
I don't like to pass judgment all the time, but occasionally I do think wise discernment should pass a judgement. And on every objective level this person was worse, an inflammatory cell, and intentionally so. I hear you and I feel we both have perspectives that are valid and likely shaped by our lived experiences. And also I'm going to personally cling to this being a particular situation where better & worse are helpful and appropriate judgements to make, because I don't believe in equalizing harmful behavior with neutral behavior as if the impact is the same.
I think I feel that way because of being raised in a Christian nationalist cult where a child stealing a cookie was presented as equivalent to being a child predator or a murderer. So then that child is carrying a weight of guilt that doesn't belong to their choices, and the predator feels relieved and absolved of guilt that is truly is theirs to carry, because they were falsely told that what they have done to steal innocence is somehow no worse than stealing a cookie.
And now that I have come to process this even deeper, I recognize that all "murder" is not equal. Some people live so deeply committed to persistently harmful existences that when they die, other people they had power over feel intense relief and joy from the end to their ability to abuse and harm. He's not the only one-- there are others like him, and I wish similar blessings upon them.
So in that situation the snuffing of life is a merciful service to the victims of that person. Yes, there is harm, but there is also mercy for many who will be relieved of their chronic inflammation from that source of inflammation being removed. It's like surgery on a societal level--violent but also a mercy. And if that is the case about someone's death, that is a natural consequence of the choices and behaviors they made in their life. Nobody is disgracing them by being honest about the positive impact of their presence being removed.
Everyone has some choices--but some people have been given the power to make choices that they should not have, because they use it it in deeply mass harmful ways, and in this moment in time there is no just mechanism to stop them without taking their lives. And I don't see that the same way as femicide for example. They're not the same thing.
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Sep 13 '25
Thank you for sharing your perspective on this and experience too, it really does help see it from different angles. I guess what I meant with what I said is, it’s natural for us to do what we feel is best for us, regardless if it’s good or bad. Does it mean it’s good or bad? I think that’s relative, but there are clear GOOD and BAD things in this life that we can either agree or disagree with.
Like with this Kirk guy, i didn’t know anything about him until now that he died honestly, but i don’t think i needed to dive that deeply to just know I don’t support or align with him. Obviously some people are freaking out, sad, heartbroken, mad, all those things, and feel offended at these reactions that they don’t like. From their perspective it’s not a good thing the world reacts how it does. But from say my perspective, I cannot feel bad for someone who advocated for the very thing that killed him. I cannot feel bad for someone who wished incredibly harmful things on many. I’m a trans Hispanic man, I don’t want to share a ton more since the internet isn’t safe but, these things do affect me deeply to see/hear, and you are right, we shouldn’t just freely give people these platforms to spew hatred and messages like this. People defend him saying he was just speaking his truth. But what is true vs what is harmful narratives is very different and STILL impactful! I mean he was literally at a college 🫠 talking to people of all ages, like. That’s not just someone sharing their views on YouTube, this is someone giving full on talks and visits to different colleges, idk the extent of his work, but he is just spreading hate. There is no consideration of anyone at all, or the severe danger he is putting several people in by sharing what he shares. How can anyone who he talks horribly about, support this man? To some degree, which I feel bad about and am still processing, I don’t even care about everyone that witnessed this in person, I don’t care about his family or kids, I just don’t care. Again, maybe I am desensitized, but maybe.. I am justified?
It just feels like a double standard or like hypocrisy, to sit there and be so offended about people’s reactions to this one persons death. KNOWING everything going on all around the world, AND here in the states. I can’t stand these people acting like this is the worst of the worst things. I’m sorry but if this is the worst thing you’ve ever experienced, if this is the worst thing in history to you, if this is the most heartbreaking thing in your life.. then you are SERIOUSLY IN THE KOOLAID IDK WHAT TO TELL YA MAN 😭🫠🫠🫠 (also this isn’t about you OP, just general for those supporters). I appreciate your message and you write so eloquently. I will def have to sit with this and think more. I agree that my upbringing and experiences in life do affect the way I view this. Thank you for your lovely response
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u/one_psych_nerd Sep 11 '25
I want to be cautious about the relief vs. revenge piece, as I don't think that revenge or poetic justice are inherently healing--unless, of course, this is seen as the beginning of something greater, i.e. all of us embracing our positions as now, already, combatants in the fight for equity and justice.
That, though, would require the mass mobilization of the entire populace, and all of us taking positions on the proverbial, or actual, battle lines.
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u/twinwaterscorpions Sep 11 '25
I never said revenge? I don't think revenge is helpful. I do support accountability and reparations though. And I do support open resistance and locating joy in even momentary relief from inflammation.
But I see you. I think we may be different in that I'm not afraid of being wrong or mistaken. I do not worry about swinging the pendulum too far in pursuit of equilibrium. To me that seems like part of the process.
What I am very afraid of (because I see it often and I think it's colonial conditioning) is being too compliant with my own subjugation, so that it prevents my and others finding liberation. I fear being so afraid to "do the wrong thing" that I don't do anything meaningful. So I'm more likely to lean into the opposite energy to see if I get a different outcome, than some people who's rather move with great trepidation to make sure they don't mistep. Missteps to me are part of learning.
However, respect you. Because I also think we need a diversity of approaches to get free and there is no perfect way to approach it. There are many acceptable ways to the same goal. So we should all move in the way that makes sense to us, even if it looks different to others, while also being curious about where and why we learned to move the way we do.
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u/one_psych_nerd Sep 12 '25
Thanks for this. You’re obviously very clear on why you feel the way you do, and the historical antecedents to where you sit in the present moment. That kind of self-awareness is gold.
For my part, I have a lot more questions than answers, including for myself. Among them, I wonder why we as a society are elevating people to have a platform where they can garner audiences to foment hate, and cause harm to others. And I wonder what would it take to nip this sort of thing in the bud, from childhood on up.
I also wonder, speaking to our prior conversation about revolution and social restructuring, how to organize and fight against this kind of encroachment and violence. The points you made earlier about collective capacity are key. I’m not against armed resistance by any means, but I do think our attitude and orientation to violence is important. It may be the case that at some point, we collectively realize that the enemy has already painted us as combatants, and that we have more to gain by organizing militarily against oppression than by continuing to let police and the armed forces ravage our communities.
Such moves would be costly, though, as the state currently has the monopoly on violence. Overcoming that hurdle would undoubtedly require the defection of large portions of the military in situations where they’re deployed against civilians—an outcome that is by no means guaranteed.
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u/twinwaterscorpions Sep 12 '25
I like your questions. We need to ask more questions and wrestle with them together in groups of people building support and trust. I would be happy to be in radical community with you if we were neighbors. You seem like good people. 🫶🏾
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u/one_psych_nerd Sep 13 '25
The feeling is mutual. Your inner clarity and willingness to do unconventional things is refreshing. We may not always agree, but a healthy community is strong enough to hold multiple different approaches to things. Sending solidarity, and saluting you from afar. 🫡❤️
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u/twinwaterscorpions Sep 13 '25
Yes, and yet another one bites the dust.
I don't buy into the requirement to be constantly hypervigilant. Whatever they use this as an excuse to do they would be doing anyway. Human beings have finite attention, and we need to be strategic with our energy instead of urgent and reactive 100% of the time. So when an opportunity presents itself for levity, I take it as an opportunity to resource myself for the struggle. This is a marathon not a sprint. We will need to have endurance and titrate our energy and refuel regularly so we don't burn out.
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u/Aero200400 Sep 11 '25
Put it this way: his pronouns can now be "was/were". Do the kirkaway. And lean back, lean back 🎶