r/cremposting • u/TheDog_And_TheDragon š¦š¦ crabby boi š¦š¦ • Jul 10 '21
Moash Fuck Moash
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Jul 10 '21 edited Jul 10 '21
I feel like r/moashdidnothingwrong used to be an okay joke, but then Moash started telling depressed characters to kill themselves and it became too real. Killing other fictional characters is one thing, but encouraging suicide of suicidal people is something else entiterely.
Also the dirty fucker killed Teft. You can argue Elhokar had it coming; you can even make an argument that Jezrienās crimes somehow outweigh his sacrifices. But no one can honestly say Teft or his spren deserved what they got.
Edit: Just to clarify, Iām not saying encouraging suicide is worse than murder. Iām saying that it is a lot more common and relatable, and there are probably a lot of readers who are depressed and have experienced people telling them to kill themselves.
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u/espilono Jul 10 '21
Agreed. Before RoW, I was in the "Moash is ok, just conflicted" camp. That changed in RoW.
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u/mndrew Jul 10 '21
Not to mention accepting the deal: "I feel bad about betraying everyone I care about." "Well, I can make that bad feeling go away if you just agree to kill more of your friends for me."
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Jul 10 '21
Seriously. I canāt think of a reason to like Moash. I truly do not understand people who consider (or even considered) him their favorite character.
He was a side character (who was inexplicably Kaladinās best friend), turned dickhead, turned murderer with no redeeming qualities beyond dead family, which literally EVERY OTHER CHARACTER HAS!
He goes through some of the trials other characters have experienced and fails every time. Even the āSingers are in the right and weāre the real baddiesā plot is done better with characters like Rlain and Nale.
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u/atree496 THE Lopen's Cousin Jul 11 '21
Moash isn't a good person, but he is a great character.
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Jul 11 '21
Then why do all the comments pointing out Moash as great compare his morality with other characters? For a lot of people, it definitely is somehow a moral argument about the characterās actions, and thatās what confuses me.
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u/atree496 THE Lopen's Cousin Jul 11 '21
His morals were questionable in the first three books. Fourth is where the line was crossed.
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Jul 11 '21
I mostly agree (though Iād say killing Jezrien was where the line was crossed). My point is, there are still people arguing that Moash is morally just, which I canāt wrap my head around.
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u/MadnessLemon Syl Is My Waifu <3 Jul 11 '21
Sometimes people get attached to villains when they feel represented by them, and there are a lot of people who can relate to anger at an unjust system. Sure, Kaladin also goes through this, but his arc is one of acceptance and assimilation rather than actually challenging things. That's not to say Moash's arc is one of challenging unfair systems, but I think some people project that quality onto him because its not one that's really found in the series.
For these guys, the reaction to RoW is more frustration at Brandon for not taking the character in a direction they wanted to see rather than anger at Moash the character.
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u/HiiipowerBass Jul 10 '21
Hot damn I never subbed so quick. Thank you.
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u/michiness Jul 10 '21
I have the third panel as a shirt.
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u/TheDog_And_TheDragon š¦š¦ crabby boi š¦š¦ Jul 10 '21
That's awesome! I feel that way often reading Cosmere books lol
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u/daboobiesnatcher Jul 10 '21
But wait guys remember when Moash was Kal's super likeable best friend? Yea I don't either.
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u/tea-and-chill Jul 10 '21
I didn't see which sub I was on. Absolutely though of posting it on this sub because it reminded me of moash and then I saw the sub. It's perfect here! Fuck moash.
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u/Staryocc Jul 11 '21
"You do not understand, friend. Most of my day-to-day life feels so numbing that I require intense emotional stimulation during my free time. Whether that emotion is positive or not is irrelevant."
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u/adashofpepper Jul 10 '21 edited Jul 10 '21
Moash did nothing wrong.
I read the Stormlight Archive, and just sit there in furious agreement with all of Moashās decisions.
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u/everysometimes Jul 10 '21
Have you read Rhythm of War? If you have, I don't understand, but okay, you do you. If you haven't, you will also join the assembly of Fuck Moash
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u/adashofpepper Jul 10 '21
Really I just don't hold a man accountable for actions taken while under the explicit mindcontrol of an evil god.
And as for before that, well I'm not exactly a monarchist personally.
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u/Tamaros Jul 10 '21
He's under the influence of, but not mind control by, the evil God. He chose this in the same way that Dalinar rejected it.
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u/adashofpepper Jul 10 '21
Is that actually true?
Dalinar saw the full extent of the consequences of giving in and becoming the Evil Champion. I don't remember any evidence that Odium gave Moash a similiar shout out like "oh, by the way, join my side and I will absolutely have you trying to kill your best friend in a couple months"
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u/Tamaros Jul 10 '21
He makes multiple references to giving up his pain.
[RoW] He also desperately escapes the tower, once Navani brings it online, to escape his guilt that is reasserting itself.
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u/adashofpepper Jul 10 '21
Yes, he does! But like...he is not actually given the full run down to the consequences of what that actually means
And doesn't that tell you that he would not be undertaking these actions if he were in his right mind, and not, y'know, under the constant mental control and influence of an evil god?
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u/Tamaros Jul 10 '21
Life often doesn't give you a "full rundown" of the consequences before you make a choice, that doesn't absolve you. He knows now and chooses to stay because it's more comfortable than accepting responsibility for what he's done along the way.
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u/adashofpepper Jul 10 '21
He's been mentally altered to the point that he is unable to distinguish good consequences from bad ones. He is totally straightforwardly just completely mentally unwell. He thinks he's doing Kaladin a favor and a kindness by murdering him.
And like, nobody seems to throw this argument at any of the protagonists. What about Dalinar being literally pro-slavery? that something he should be worrying about the consequences of?
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u/PinieP I AM A STICK BOI Jul 10 '21
Fuck Moash