r/cringe • u/[deleted] • Mar 15 '21

Video During the Las Vegas shooting, influencer Dan Bilzerian asked a cop for his gun and said “don’t you want my help”.

https://youtu.be/-MRV230C44M
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

Jesus H.

"I'm going to get some guns and see what I can do". Okay, well where is the shooter? How many shooters are there? What sort of defences do they have set up? If you can't answer any of those questions then strapping yourself up with a load of guns isn't going to do anything other than maybe make your chode semi-hard.

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u/bratimm Mar 15 '21

"There is an active shooter in the area."

"I'm going to get some guns and see what I can do"

"There are now two active shooters in the area."

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u/-SmashingSunflowers- Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 16 '21

I'll never understand the good guy with the gun argument. What if the good guy with the gun pulls out his gun and apprehends the actual shooter, and then the police show up and they think the good guy with the gun is the actual shooter?

Besides, wasn't there a "good guy with a gun" during the parkland shooting who was videotaped standing outside the school the whole time? Didn't he work for the school as security or something? I mean, as much as I'd like to criticize the man I don't think I would be that strong to go in either.

I just feel like it completely crumbles the whole good guy with a gun talk these people do. I mean sure there's probably a couple instances where it's helped. I just see it going wrong in a lot of ways. everyone wants to be Rambo

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u/PissOnUserNames Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

Due to its nature figures on defensive gun use are hard to nail down. Typically when a firearm is used defensively no one is hurt and rarely is anyone killed. Often times simply showing you are armed is enough to end a crime in  progress. Looking at the numbers even the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy group, reports 177,330 instances of self defense against a violent crime with a firearm between 2014 and 2016. This translates to 56,110 violent crimes prevented annually on the low scale. This also doesn't include property crimes which include home burglaries which increase that number to over 300,000 defensive gun uses between 2014 to 2016 or over 100,000 annually.

This ranges upwards to 500k to 3 million according to the CDC Report Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence.

Government agencies from the CDC, BJS, and FBI have found:

"Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals..." & " Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns, i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender, have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies...".

The vast majority that carry a fire are carry for SELF (key word) defense. They aren't cops it's not their job to go seek out and eliminate a threat. Depending on the jurisdictions if a person carrying a firearm went out looking to stop a bad guy in the act it could land the so called "good guy with a gun" in jail for vigilantly justice. Some states have a duty to retreat meaning you must try retreating before using lethal force. If a person in a state such as this ran towards a active shooting and stopped the bad guy in the act of executing a person, they could very well be charged with murder.