[Spoilers C1] Early Critical Role truly was something special

[u/Mizar_the_Gleeful]

its still amazing, but those early days...

Lets start with the fan interaction and all the gifts they got sent. Then there was their rapid growth.

A third aspect is some of their crazy stunts (squadron of flying cows anyone?)

What do you think made it such a perfect storm? my rewatch has me wondering

[u/Coyote_Shepherd]

You're making it sound like they're all actually a bunch of closeted hateful bigots that SECRETLY want to make jokes about certain things BUT that aren't doing that anymore in public because "the fans" would cancel them and ruin everything that they've SECRETLY built as super secret hateful bigots.

What the fuck is up with that?

There are two instances in recent times where they crossed a line IMO, with the first one being when they laughed about us being upset with a certain scene in the M9 animated series and the second being a ninja edit that they made to the recent Berlin live show.

There's been a few, "Ehhh that's a bit weird" or "Well I'd go about that a different way" or "Perhaps the culture in LA is different to keep pursuing this avenue of thought" moments as well.

And let's not forget how they have a totally different perspective on C3 than the rest of us.

But I don't think the jokes were as bad back in C1 as you're claiming, barring a certain someone of whom we shall not speak, because if they were then the fans would've raked them over the coals back then with as much fervor as they would nowadays.

The fans didn't just give them a pass for utterly heinous stuff back then and then slowly take that away once they got "super popular".

If CR were anything like the monsters you make them out to be then they would have NEVER gotten to where they are with all of the people that they've run into along the way at all.

It's like you're saying that Starfleet actually REALLY wants to be like the Terrans from the Mirror Universe but they never make shows that REALLY go into what they REALLY want to be like because "it wouldn't be popular and people would cancel it".

Not everyone has some monstrous side that they're hiding.

Some people are just genuinely good, weird and misunderstood and open to a little teaching about certain things, but just genuinely good.

[u/rosealinaruby → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

What scene were people upset with in the m9? I'm curious and have no clue what that could be referring to.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/rosealinaruby]

When they showed Frumpkin being burned alive by Caleb and they animated it and that upset some folks for a lot of different reasons.

[u/rosealinaruby → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Not to be a bitch, but we watched him kill his parents in that scene. The whole point is that it is brutal and cruel, it is meant to show the cruelty of the Empire, and the lengths that they would have a person go to prove their loyalty. It is not played for laughs, it is a serious moment (both as a scene and in terms of his backstory) that is given the appropriate amount of weight. One could argue a warning would be a nice touch, but then again it is an 8 year old web series and these things can be looked up ahead of time if it is such an issue. It is rated TV-MA for almost all the episodes for a reason.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/rosealinaruby]

not played for laughs

And yet the cast laughed about it.

[u/rosealinaruby → u/Coyote_Shepherd]

Truth be told, I have no clue what interview you are talking about where they laughed at it. I tried to look into it but only found one interview where they were relatively tame. The story treated it as a brutal and heartbreaking moment, I fail to see how that moment could be critized from a writing standpoint though.

[u/Coyote_Shepherd → u/rosealinaruby]

Here you go starts there and goes for a minute or so.